... If I am talking horse shit, your post is nothing less then a mule shit I would say.
Go and do some proper study and change your perspective about others.
I like how you just issue blanket statements without giving any explanations, unlike I.Everytime I make a certain assertion, I try to explain the reasons behind them to the best of my abilities, like whenever I say things like
'horse shit' or
'bullcrap', I always take the time to explain myself.But I do not see that in you.It seems that all you are interested in is just winning the argument anyway you can and given the 'likes' leads me to think that you are not the only one like that here in this forum.Judging by the trend, you will definitely get more takers here though.It almost feels like people around here are not at all interested in learning the facts or taking an honest criticism against what they hold very passionately dear to their bosoms, as if that would do this nation any good.But moving on....
My very first comment was -
"One main reason might be its accuracy at longer range in comparison to smooth bore gun."
Which is complete nonsense simply because fin stabilized ammo types do not rely on spin for attaining stability and in any case, spin negatively affects their armor piercing abilities (both Kinetic energy and HEAT FS rounds), so your argument doesn't hold any truth to it, plain and simple.Moving on........
I never quoted you in the first place.
So effing what??
Hahahahahahaha!!How much I like you entitled stuck up little pricks!!Dude, who the hell you think you are, the fucking president of the US of fuckking A??!!What makes you think that your asking or not asking will have even a slightest bit of bearing on my decisions or that of anyone else around here??!!What makes so eligible for such special privileges, may I ask??Lolzz "I didn't ask", as if anyone gives a flying fuckk!!
jump up and down with your steaming pile of mule shit.
Kid, I don't know which dump you crawled out of, but where I'm from, we do not jump up and down with any type of shit, at least not while people are sober!!In fact, I don't think people anywhere jumps up and down with shit in their palms.May be it's what goes for the favorite pass time in your sad little dump, I don't know.
Seriously, do not use figure of speech if you don't know how to use them, they just make you look silly as fuckk when you do so.
Nowhere In this comment I implied that IA had done the best by retaining it. Its your perspective which you are talking off by saying that I meant something like that.
And what am I stand to gain by doing that??It's not like I'm working on a commission here, is that what you think??The thing is m8, you claimed something which to me, sounded completely outlandish, which I pointed out to you with a proper explanation, nothing more and nothing less.
Read this
ven smooth-bore fired APFSDS projectiles incorporate fins that are slightly canted to provide some spin rate during flight;
And such is being done with arrows since millenniums, so what's the point you are trying to raize here?
and very low twist rifled barrels have also been developed for the express purpose of firing APFSDS ammunition. Another reason for the use of smoothbore, and very low twist rate guns is that the most effective precision
shaped chargedesigns,
HEAT munitions, lose armor penetrating performance when rotating too fast."
Ahhh....now I get it, so you have been talking about those experimental gun designs, which by the way, never saw the day of light, simply because the developers could see the futility in them and the works had been discontinued not long after, as the same effects could be achieved with smooth bore guns far more efficiently and cost effectively as well!!So why are you even bothering to dig this useless piece of info up like an effing grave robber??!!
Wait, are you trying to extrapolate this to Arjun, in order to justify your earlier claim??You really believe the case to be as such when plenty of evidence to the contrary already exist for everyone and their grandmas to take note of??!!
Dude, apply some common sense.Al right alright, I'll break it down to you why your little hypothesis is completely ludicrous.
Reason no1 1 - The main reason why the Army chose to retain a rifled gun was because of its experience with HESH shells during the previous two conflicts and hence they wanted their new tank to retain this ability (not going into the details as to they were right or not, they were not right by any means by the way).But it will be completely impossible to fire the HESH round through such a low twist rate rifled barrel!!
Reason no. 2 - The very fact that they need to use slipper bands around the APFSDS rounds in use with Arjun MBT and also that they had to modeify the LAHAT rounds in a similar manner makes it amply clear to anyone that Arjun is in fact using a conventional high twist rate rifled gun, anyone with a little bit of common sense and eye for details would have figured it out without any trouble.But seems like common sense is not really that common around this part of the globe.
This is the very reason why I said that we don't know how much spin it imparts on the projectile.
No my friend, you said it because you were desperate to win the argument, and the logic could simply go fuckk itself.
M829 could pierce a 600 mm RHA at 3500 mtrs.......... hmmm. Seems OLX pe afghan weed bhi milne lagi hain.
Not sure about that, but what I'm sure about though, is that you sir, are in a desperate need of a proper reeducation ASAP!!I said the recent block of M829, not the earlier ones, go take another look if you can read, which at this point, I seriously doubt you can.
M829 Effective range 3000 mtrs. Capable of penetrating 540 mm RHA at 2000 mtrs
M829A1 Effective range 3000 mtrs. Capable of penetrating 570 mm at 2000 mtrs.
M829A2 Effective range 3000 mtrs. Capable of penetrating 730 mm armour at 2000 mtrs. This is the current APFSDS round in use by Abrams M1A1 and M1A2.
These values are mere estimates, you do realize that, don't you??So I wouldn't be acting so high and mighty based on such 'educated guess' provided by people who had never been involved with the development or testing process of those munitions!!
And even if we are to take the numbers on their face value, it would still not invalidate my earlier claims as the M829A2 does around 800mm at point plank, which drops to around 750-730 at 2 km, so a 600+ mm at 3.5 km wouldn't be very unreasonable a figure, especially since the A2 variant has a significantly longer rod length (~800 mm from tip to tip), which gives it a very high sectional density, which in turn allows it to retain a high level of kinetic energy over a longer distance compared to other APFSDS rounds.
Now just compare how it would fare at your 3.5 km range against a modern day MBT armour.
No worse than a 120mm HEATFS warhead, rest assured.
Fins are incorporated on an APFSDS round to impart spin for stability at a long range.
At any range!!
Stop smoking weed to understand what others are saying.
Or may be, just MAY BE, you should try to get your points across in a bit clearer terms from now on??
It would also help you to have a neutral perspective of other members.
I'm as neutral as Switzerland, rest assured.
You would stop getting weird ideas about others then.
My ideas are almost always quite spot on, thank you very much.
PS - Seems like our dear DFI can not take even a little bit of swearing.Seriously guys, we are all grown ups here, so stop being so uppity about this, alright??