Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1

[farhan_9909]

Officials from Argentine aerospace company Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) told IHS Jane's at the 2013 Paris Air Show they have had multiple discussions with Chinese officials over potential co-production of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 multirole combat aircraft.

Discussions are far from concluded, with FAdeA officials saying "technology transfer" issues remain a sticking point. Nonetheless, the discussions are the first formal effort that could lead to the co-production of a modern Chinese fighter in Latin America. FAdeA officials said the co-produced FC-1 could be called the 'Pulqui-III', recalling FAdeA's Pulqui-II, Latin America's first swept wing jet fighter, which was designed by Germany's Kurt Tank for the government of Juan Peron.

Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC-1 fighter - IHS Jane's 360

 

[farhan_9909]

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the more the orders for jft we get.more will be available the funds for much better upgrades

how good are the relations between argentina and france?are they good

 

[ladder]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

the more the orders for jft we get.more will be available the funds for much better upgrades

how good are the relations between argentina and france?are they good

Good for JFT,
What shall be the order quantity, any idea?

I think, any nation trying to add more than two squadron, would want production or assembly in their respective country.
Though they are negotiating with China for a tailor made specification for them,but it will bring necessary revenue for the cash strapped program.

Any news on Nigeria, I think she was also interested. But probably she also will be acquiring through China.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Good for JFT,
What shall be the order quantity, any idea?

I think, any nation trying to add more than two squadron, would want production or assembly in their respective country.
Though they are negotiating with China for a tailor made specification for them,but it will bring necessary revenue for the cash strapped program.

Any news on Nigeria, I think she was also interested. But probably she also will be acquiring through China.

Not known but we can guess this from the official statement.

from the below they are very much sure that atleast they will get order from 1 customer this year.and wll also involve considerable numbers

China's national aircraft exporter is seeking to expand its market share by selling more advanced planes to foreign clients, according to an executive from the company.

"We have started development of the two-seater FC-1 Fierce Dragon and plan to introduce it to the international market in three to four years," Ma Zhiping, general manager of China National Aero-Technology Import and Export Corp, said at the 50th International Paris Air Show.

The Paris event, which claims to be the world's oldest and largest air show, was established in 1909 and is held every other year at Le Bourget Airport in northern Paris.

"Many potential buyers have told us they hope we can produce a two-seater variant of the FC-1 Fierce Dragon. We are in negotiations with several countries on their purchases," Ma said. "We hope at least one contract can be signed this year."

He added the likely deal will involve a considerable number of FC-1s.

"Around two years ago, I said we had hoped we could sell 300 FC-1s within five years. Now two years have passed and the sales record gives me full confidence of achieving this goal."

Ma's company is the biggest State-owned enterprise exporting aviation defense products and has a strong presence in the global military aircraft market. It is run under the Aviation Industry Corp of China (AVIC), the country's leading aircraft manufacturer.

The FC-1 Fierce Dragon is a third-generation multi-role combat aircraft developed by AVIC in cooperation with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, the leading aviation company in Pakistan.

The aircraft has gained recognition from its Pakistani users.

"During my trips to many countries, almost everyone I met would ask me about the aircraft. Many said they want to join this project," Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, chairman of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, told China Daily.

Compared with the single-seat FC-1, the two-seater will have better aerodynamic design and more advanced avionic systems. It can be used as a trainer aircraft and will outperform the single-seat model in terms of air-to-surface strikes, Ma said.

Another aircraft highlighted by the Chinese exporter at the Paris show is the L-15 Falcon, a third-generation advanced trainer aircraft also developed by AVIC.

Ma said the L-15 Falcon is among the few trainer jets in the world capable of supersonic flight. It has an advanced fly-by-wire flight control system and other state-of-the-art avionic devices. Beside its role as a trainer aircraft, it has multiple functions such as aerial combat and air-to-surface strike capability, according to Ma.

He said a contract to sell six L-15s to an unnamed African nation was signed at the end of last year.

Chinese aircraft have taken a considerable share of the trainer-jet market, with about 300 JL-8s — a two-seater intermediate jet trainer and light-attack aircraft — being operated around the world, Ma said.

Aircraft exporter to spread its wings abroad |Sci-Tech |chinadaily.com.cn

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Sale will be of China or China Pakistan both ?

Technology transfer with China so money will be paid to China

 

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Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Sale will be of China or China Pakistan both ?

Technology transfer with China so money will be paid to China

Sir, I think only China.
Only benefit that Pakistan will get is that it will generate funds for further development.
The development was going ahead with snail pace as Pakistan was broke and China was non committal.

With F-7 assembly line closing ( with last being delivered to Bangladesh)
This is the cheapest in the market.
FC-1 is truly the Mig-21/F-7 replacement and is targeting those customer who would want to replace their old MiG-21 or F_7 or add low cost fighter.
Typically the MIG-21/ FC-7 market.
So, in all it is targeted to replace the MIG-21/ F-7 world over
But sadly the part owners of FC1/ JF17 think LCA is MiG 21++

Skewed assumption by them but nothing unusual.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

If buying Chinese Android you think you will get Samsung quality at Chinese price, you will be fool of highest order, specially if the product is being used for military purpose.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

BTW Argentina is great addition to Junk fighter family we can get SD 10 secrets from Argentina.

 

[farhan_9909]

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Pakistan will get half the share of the profit.

The argetinian guys on there forums are saying that they will get a modified JFT with french avionics and MICA.

now i am not sure whether this is true or not.neither do i know how good are the relations between France and argentina

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Pakistan will get half the share of the profit.

The argetinian guys on there forums are saying that they will get a modified JFT with french avionics and MICA.

now i am not sure whether this is true or not.neither do i know how good are the relations between France and argentina

post the agreement where it says you will get half share of profit of FC1

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

from a argentina forum.

 

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Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Pakistan will get half the share of the profit.

The argetinian guys on there forums are saying that they will get a modified JFT with french avionics and MICA.

now i am not sure whether this is true or not.neither do i know how good are the relations between France and argentina

Don't you forget that the 8 SBP were gift from China
and the rest 42 were from " seller's credit"

Please describe the term seller's credit.Your answer lies there.

Also, the best thing Pakistan, can wish is the funds for further development.
If you think, you will get half the revenue for independent work, that's not going to happen.

Also, it's obvious that Argentina will ask for modified FC-1
No country except Pakistan will accept JF_17 in its present configuration.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

post the agreement where it says you will get half share of profit of FC1

Go to JFT thread.browse the last few pages.read the official interview of PAF official to janes

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

ok i got it.

read the last para

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Don't you forget that the 8 SBP were gift from China
and the rest 42 were from " seller's credit"

Please describe the term seller's credit.Your answer lies there.

Also, the best thing Pakistan, can wish is the funds for further development.
If you think, you will get half the revenue for independent work, that's not going to happen.

Also, it's obvious that Argentina will ask for modified FC-1
No country except Pakistan will accept JF_17 in its present configuration.

gift from china?why are indians so good at joking?

we will pay them.

we will get half the share of revenue.as per some sources pakistan funded more than 60% of the total development cost.
as per the image above they will get the JFT 2 with fixed IFR and french avionics/mica

 

[Yusuf]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Notice that its Farhan who has added JF17 to the thread title while original says FC1 only and the talks are between the Argentines and Chinas Chengdu facility and nothing to do with Pak.

 

[farhan_9909]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Notice that its Farhan who has added JF17 to the thread title while original says FC1 only and the talks are between the Argentines and Chinas Chengdu facility and nothing to do with Pak.

sir jii read it again.

i didnt added jft to it..

Since JFT is not for export and will always be superior to the export variant fc-1

 

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gift from china?why are indians so good at joking?

we will pay them.

we will get half the share of revenue.as per some sources pakistan funded more than 60% of the total development cost.
as per the image above they will get the JFT 2 with fixed IFR and french avionics/mica

Firstly prove me otherwise that you are going to pay for the 8 SBP.

Secondly as you mentioned

we will pay them.

You will, but look at your pocket, it is burnt and the burn has created a deep hole.

Now, JFT was originally to be equipped with western avionics in block 1 but I don't see it now?
France don't provide things for free.

But you conveniently gave the term " seller's credit" a miss.

Please enlighten this poor soul, why was it used in the context of JFT.

Also, please tell me why was 2011 talks between Pakistan and China to provide 50 addl. JFT in quick time failed.

 

[sayareakd]

Re: Argentine officials confirm joint-production talks over China's FC

Pakistan will get half the share of the profit.

The argetinian guys on there forums are saying that they will get a modified JFT with french avionics and MICA.

now i am not sure whether this is true or not.neither do i know how good are the relations between France and argentina

Go to JFT thread.browse the last few pages.read the official interview of PAF official to janes

ok i got it.

read the last para

where he says they will give you half share of profits ??

plus they are buying manufacturing line, so PAF wont be of much help to them.

 

[nimo_cn]

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Notice that its Farhan who has added JF17 to the thread title while original says FC1 only and the talks are between the Argentines and Chinas Chengdu facility and nothing to do with Pak.

FC-1 or JF-17, different designations for the same aircraft. Being one of the major partners of joint project, Pakistan is entitled to share the revenue.

Orders from other coutries are gonna prove the feasibility of the continuing development of FC-1, and with more fund we are getting from the sale, the process of upgrading FC-1 is very likely to be fastened.

It's a good news for both China and Pakistan.

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