Are nukes over-rated?

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Nasr is a piece of shit little rocket doubtful a nuclear warhead could be placed on it. Imo
If SPYDER can intercept NASR,thats a very good news,its ER version is 35 KM better than TOR/BUK,otherwise our invasion is to swift to force pakis to use their NASR on their on food belt of Punjab,not our side.
 
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I know but tactical nukes are a serious escalation by these cowards though it would not be more than a few kt. I think the warheads are Plutonium implosion type of untested design .
Look at Nasr it is similar to piñaka. How big of a warhead could we place on piñaka? Would it serve any purpose? Also see the small range of Nasr. Pak does not have plutonium unless China gave? Everything is uranium/yellowcake .


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SPYDER (Surface-to-air Python and Derby) is a system of short-range air defense missiles and advanced midrange Company Equipment Rafael Israeli defense research and development. The system is designed to destroy air targets such as aircraft, cruise missiles, UAVs ... at all times and weather conditions with the ability to react very quickly to the threat.


Sophisticated air defense systems of Israel is VN interested.

Once formally incorporated into equipment, SPYDER immediately attracted the special attention of foreign buyers and have been exported to Singapore, India, Peru, Georgia ...

Faced defense cooperation Vietnam - Israel is growing, maybe in the future, the sky Vietnam will first be protected by an anti-aircraft missile systems by Western producers. So when compared with other air defense systems, the advantages Vietnamese SPYDER What?


System short-range air defense missile / midrange SPYDER-SR / SPYDER-MR.

Firstly, for the short range version SPYDER-SR, with the most reviews compare this type PANTSIR-S1 and for that feature SPYDER-SR's combat was pretty much outdone as missiles with shorter range (15 km compared to 20 km), the ceiling is lower than fly away goals (9 km compared to 15 km) and had no artillery comes.





However this statement is inaccurate because SPYDER-SR has the role alternative SA-13 Gopher (Strela-10) have become obsolete with point defense functions rather like PANTSIR-S1 was purchased for the purpose of replacing How flak zsu-23-4 self-propelled.

Besides, compared with the 57E6 missiles PANTSIR-S1 aim an infrared and optical pulse signal is fairly simple Python-5 missile and the Derby SPYDER more advantageous in that it is the second kind tech missiles capable of "fire and forget" through active radar detectors (Derby) and special regime "Lock on after lauch - Lock target after launch" via an infrared camera combined with feeling Photoelectric detectors integrated into the (Python-5), which have been assessed accuracy is much higher.Significant downside Python-5 and Derby's than 57E6 probably just a much higher price only.

Next to version SPYDER-MR mid-range, compare this system with Buk-M2 is accurate and prima facie, the SPYDER-MR also pretty much inferior maximum range is only 35 km (compared to 45 km of Buk-M2), service ceiling 16 km away goal (in Buk-M2 was 25 km) and carrying warheads weighing 23 kg (70 kg compared to the Buk-M2).


Video Vietnam air defense missile tests self-improvement:


However it is the independent parameter when evaluating longer if 2 air defense missile system midrange is juxtaposed to supplementary work, bridging the gap for another very good tactic because Buk-M2 with method Reporters tilt will hardly destroy targets SPYDER-MR crown still vertical launch the drawback hard shot away, firing low with small viewing angle.

In addition, the SPYDER-MR equipping also works to diversify the types of weapons - weapons have on the payroll, ensuring confidentiality, avoid being "catch all" due to the combination Buk missile not have been exported very spacious and even technology transfer to manufacturing in some countries.

In addition to these advantages, the buyers are a major advantage SPYDER other original Python-5 and Derby air-to-air missile to be able to equip the fighter Su-22/27/30 Air Vietnam , the integration of different weapon systems at which the prospect of Israel so on are workable.

Especially in case of Su-22, to temporarily fill the void immense MiG-21 due to leave while not appearing candidates potential lightweight fighter we were obliged to some Su-22 to charge non-fighter service. Meanwhile, Su-22 has lost flexibility MiG-21 in aerial combat trousers round and also capable of carrying air missile R-60 range is very short.

Air-to-air missile R-60 is not a strategic weapon in sight typical maximum range of the bullets hit 8 km but that is just the ideal range to fly in combat should take into account the actual distance street demonstrations and the distance to the probe target missile caught before firing up the range of munitions launcher allows short range just how enemy aircraft from 250-500 m.


Su-22 will have a new power when equipped with Python-5 rocket.

As for Python-5 missile, beyond a maximum range of 20 km when launched from aircraft (2.5 times the R-60), the mode "Lock on after lauch - Lock target after launch" also helps non Can the fire from long range on the estimated position of the target, the rest will be dual-band transducers superior complete rocket. If equipped with Python-5, blemishes without radar lead shot The Su-22 will be overcome and even can hit par with the Su-27/30 R-73 missile in combat trousers round.

With the above advantages, if fitted, air defense missile systems SPYDER can help improve strength and Non Vietnam People's Air F
 

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2nd Russian media said Vietnam has signed contracts to buy air defense systems Tor and Buk Russian-made.
Russia started deploying "missile defense" low-range Tor-M2U

Sputnik page lists the Vietnam buy weapons from Russia in recent years, including Kilo submarines, fighter Su-30MK2, S-300PMU1 system ... And especially, in this list there latest air defense systemsTor-M2 and Buk-M2 . In the picture: Buk-M2 system.


Known here as the 2nd Sputnik page mentioned information. In late 2014, this source has also announced Vietnam owns several weapons have never been made public as air defense missile systems Tor-M2 and Buk-M2.

The above system outperformed the S-75 consortium that Soviet offer Vietnam and was credited with shooting down American planes 1300. In the picture: Buk-M2 system.


According to the introduction from the Russian side, Tor (NATO designation SA-15 Gauntlet's) system is low-altitude air defense missile equipped for divisional motorized infantry or army troops formed can lower targets Low altitude - central in all weather conditions.


Tor can destroy fighters, helicopters, cruise missiles, bombs, bomb throwing, unmanned aerial vehicle ... In particular, Tor-M2 variant entered service in 2008, is improving enemy combat power in conditions of strong electronic jamming.


Tor-M2 variant developed several variations using different pedestal frame include pedestal frame used Tor-M2E caterpillars; Tor-m2K used car tire pedestal frame and Tor-M2KM used car tire pedestal frame TATA Motors for the purpose of export to India.


Tor-M2 system is equipped with missiles capable of destroying targets at long range from 1-15 km, height from 10 m to 10 km, 4 simultaneous attack targets at once, using countless style guide recruitment.


While Tor-M2 is a short-range air defense system, the BUK-M2 is considered medium-range air defense system developed powerful variant from Buk, officially accept equipped since 2008.

Buk-M2 is capable of intercepting most aerodynamic targets, including ballistic missiles. Complex equipped with missiles to reach a range of 3-50 km, lowering the target altitude of 10 m to 25 km, can hit 24 targets simultaneously lowered.


In order to accomplish the above tasks, Buk-M2 system is designed with search radar targets and fire control radar is equipped with active phased antenna phased, processors, machine digital control features help Buk-M2 have fought very high performance.
 

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Specifically, the probability of destroying fighter F-15 from 90-95%, cruise missiles, ground attack from 70-80%, ballistic missiles from 60-70%, helicopters, UAVs from 70-80 %.



Apart from short-range air defense systems and midrange above, S-300PMU1 is considered one of the anti-aircraft missile system range world's most powerful, can simultaneously destroy 24 aircraft within 200 kilometers or intercept ballistic missiles 16 short - medium.



Each target can be destroyed with one rocket or series of 2 rocket. When the shooting range, the first rocket to be launched by monitoring incidents, while the second will be launched results in automatic mode.

Compared with the US Patriot missile, the S-300PMU1 excel in three key points: Time to deploy combat shorter (5 minutes versus 15 minutes), zoom mode (vertical versus tilt zoom.

Controls are simultaneously 2 missile to a target (Patriot only control 1). Especially shooting down the target ratio of S-300PMU1 always be appreciated.



If the information is published accurately Sputnik, Vietnam air defense network was strengthened greatly when all the components: short range, medium range and high range. In the photo: Tor-M2 system.
 
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If SPYDER can intercept NASR,thats a very good news,its ER version is 35 KM better than TOR/BUK,otherwise our invasion is to swift to force pakis to use their NASR on their on food belt of Punjab,not our side.
Nasr has less range than India's radiation seekin.g missiles. A useless rocket. Nasr
Fired detected by awacs then radiation missile /air launched missiles/piñaka /smerches destroys all units


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Look at Nasr it is similar to piñaka. How big of a warhead could we place on piñaka? Would it serve any purpose? Also see the small range of Nasr. Pak does not have plutonium unless China gave? Everything is uranium/yellowcake .


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They are copy of Weishi Rockets and looks like not more than 300 mm rockets the warhead probably weighs around 200 to 250 kg . They have 4 khusab reactors churning out Weapons grade Plutonium.
 
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Where would they send Nasr? To Amritsar and let half the radioactive material fall in Pak!!

It is high time to slap Pakis tight and call out this nuclear bluff. Probably ABV did a big mistake in Kargil in not crossing the border and pounding the Pakis from behind and cut their supply chains in PoK. Given Pak had no delivery vehicle at that time, it would have completely put to rest Paki nuclear preparation.
Not one Nasr has a chance of landing on Indian territory imo


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They are copy of Weishi Rockets and looks like not more than 300 mm rockets the warhead probably weighs around 200 to 250 kg . They have 4 khusab reactors churning out Weapons grade Plutonium.
We are worlds largest heavy water producer start making h bombs . Also
Heavy water reactors are on military side


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Not one Nasr has a chance of landing on Indian territory imo


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In war situation a few mistakes might happen and a few Nasr might also land up in India.

What I wanted to show through this thread is that the world will not come to an end if few such bombs are dropped on India. This nuclear bluff needs to be called out as it will change our military doctrine a lot.
 
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I really like this thread . All our fast breeder reactors are on military side and we have more fissile material than pak and China combined no worries
Bring it on better to take a little damage now
And get rid of a permanent problem(or two)

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They are copy of Weishi Rockets and looks like not more than 300 mm rockets the warhead probably weighs around 200 to 250 kg . They have 4 khusab reactors churning out Weapons grade Plutonium.
Indian government allowed this? Absolutely no clue about national security. They were too busy looting the country and this is what happens


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We are worlds largest heavy water producer start making h bombs . Also
Heavy water reactors are on military side


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That we are , we are ahead of them as far as fissile material is concerned but China keeps upgrading Pakistan by making them graphite moderated heavy water reactors and helps them in missile technology so we are being screwed from two sides.
 

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I really like this thread . All our fast breeder reactors are on military side and we have more fissile material than pak and China combined no worries
Bring it on better to take a little damage now
And get rid of a permanent problem(or two)

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Looking forward into future, two things are going to happen:

1) Pak's arsenal will grow
2) Pak's delivery mechanism will become better

1) does not matter as long as they do not have delivery system. To counter 2) we will develop better missile defence system. But the threat will not be completely eliminated.

So based on these, it is much better to de-nuclearize Pak now rather than any time in the future.
 

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Just a few factors:

1. Pakistan has 3 and India has 21 reactors. Leave alone our fast breeder reactor or our future installations. We currently use most of them in electricity production. At war time, we can make bombs at enormous speed. :rofl:

2.Size of the nuclear bombs: a very big factor. :lol:

3. Reliability of bombs and warheads:
India has been working in many key technologies like miniaturizing reactors for civilian purposes, new designs for hard water plants and Ion thruster- particle accelerators, fusion based reactors(yet India never uses a fusion reactors because you can't withdraw material from it) etc..
Obviously, that experience will help us to make our bombs better. If today, India tests a thermonuclear hydrogen bomb or a nuclear warhead, there is very high probability of its success.

4.Population and Area of India!!!!
How much they could destroy? :rotfl:

5. Anti Missile Shield.

6. Our fierce and still growing conventional forces can face their babay tactical nukes.
But if we won't response with nukes to nukes, their size will be reduced till war ends. But yes, they will win war.

7. Advanced Delivery Systems.

8. Our Nuclear Triad

Totally, if anything which will create more problem, that is foreign intervention.
Remember always, there are some topics where pakistan's all the three uncle Sams(US, Russia and China) are standing against India.
That may be India's UNSC permanent membership or nuclear attack on pakland.
You may have understood what I'm saying about those 3 idiots? :biggrin2:
 
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That we are , we are ahead of them as far as fissile material is concerned but China keeps upgrading Pakistan by making them graphite moderated heavy water reactors and helps them in missile technology so we are being screwed from two sides.
And until recently we had no missiles that could hit China . We need MIRVs specially for China have a.feeling being developed or already developed?


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That we are , we are ahead of them as far as fissile material is concerned but China keeps upgrading Pakistan by making them graphite moderated heavy water reactors and helps them in missile technology so we are being screwed from two sides.
And until recently we had no missiles that could hit China . We need MIRVs specially for China have a.feeling being developed or already developed?


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Looking forward into future, two things are going to happen:

1) Pak's arsenal will grow
2) Pak's delivery mechanism will become better

1) does not matter as long as they do not have delivery system. To counter 2) we will develop better missile defence system. But the threat will not be completely eliminated.

So based on these, it is much better to de-nuclearize Pak now rather than any time in the future.
Then a war now would be best option


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@Sakal Gharelu Ustad @LETHALFORCE @Bornubus
Just a few factors:

1. Pakistan has 3 and India has 21 reactors. Leave alone our fast breeder reactor or our future installations. We currently use most of them in electricity production. At war time, we can make bombs at enormous speed. :rofl:

2.Size of the nuclear bombs: a very big factor. :lol:

3. Reliability of bombs and warheads:
India has been working in many key technologies like miniaturizing reactors for civilian purposes, new designs for hard water plants and Ion thruster- particle accelerators, fusion based reactors(yet India never uses a fusion reactors because you can't withdraw material from it) etc..
Obviously, that experience will help us to make our bombs better. If today, India tests a thermonuclear hydrogen bomb or a nuclear warhead, there is very high probability of its success.

4.Population and Area of India!!!!
How much they could destroy? :rotfl:

5. Anti Missile Shield.

6. Our fierce and still growing conventional forces can face their babay tactical nukes.
But if we won't response with nukes to nukes, their size will be reduced till war ends. But yes, they will win war.

7. Advanced Delivery Systems.

8. Our Nuclear Triad

Totally, if anything which will create more problem, that is foreign intervention.
Remember always, there are some topics where pakistan's all the three uncle Sams(US, Russia and China) are standing against India.
That may be India's UNSC permanent membership or nuclear attack on pakland.
You may have understood what I'm saying about those 3 idiots? :biggrin2:
Saar

Pakistan has 4 reactors we have 1 but we also have 8 CANDU derivatives outside safeguards and also our fast breeder reactor
 
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Just a few factors:

1. Pakistan has 3 and India has 21 reactors. Leave alone our fast breeder reactor or our future installations. We currently use most of them in electricity production. At war time, we can make bombs at enormous speed. :rofl:

2.Size of the nuclear bombs: a very big factor. :lol:

3. Reliability of bombs and warheads:
India has been working in many key technologies like miniaturizing reactors for civilian purposes, new designs for hard water plants and Ion thruster- particle accelerators, fusion based reactors(yet India never uses a fusion reactors because you can't withdraw material from it) etc..
Obviously, that experience will help us to make our bombs better. If today, India tests a thermonuclear hydrogen bomb or a nuclear warhead, there is very high probability of its success.

4.Population and Area of India!!!!
How much they could destroy? :rotfl:

5. Anti Missile Shield.

6. Our fierce and still growing conventional forces can face their babay tactical nukes.
But if we won't response with nukes to nukes, their size will be reduced till war ends. But yes, they will win war.

7. Advanced Delivery Systems.

8. Our Nuclear Triad

Totally, if anything which will create more problem, that is foreign intervention.
Remember always, there are some topics where pakistan's all the three uncle Sams(US, Russia and China) are standing against India.
That may be India's UNSC permanent membership or nuclear attack on pakland.
You may have understood what I'm saying about those 3 idiots? :biggrin2:
Two things

Fast breeder reactors all of them are on the military side in the nuclear deal with USA

Do not agree with number 6 they will win and the idea they use nukes and we don't.


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