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he reason is geography. Northern plains are fertile and can support big population and big armies. But once the dominant military power is defeated, there is no scope for guerrilla warfare and resistance against a powerful cavalry, there is no running for the hills as there are no hills.
Correct, however the ghaharvads and chandellas resisted them for near a century.

the senas defeated muslims in bengal time and again and that too in the plains.


people do not realize the size of turkish cavalry, it was in tens of thousands which made it difficult for people other than rajputs to resist them.
 

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The reason is geography. Northern plains are fertile and can support big population and big armies. But once the dominant military power is defeated, there is no scope for guerrilla warfare and resistance against a powerful cavalry, there is no running for the hills as there are no hills.
:nono: .. Surely Geography helps but isn't always a decisive factor.
Veer DurgaDas Rathore effectively waged Guerrilla warfare in Marwar against Aurangzeb. Marwar has no mountains or heavy forests for cover. It is a semi desert with pockets of bushes and shrubs.
Marwar's resistance went on for three decades until Aurangzeb died.
Ajit Singh destroyed numerous mosquees in retaliation.
Bakht Singh had even banned Namaaz in Marwar.

That's the reason that once Chauhan army was defeated, collapse of the other smaller forces followed.
Chauhans were not the only power in Rajputana to have ever suffered a set back. Win and loss were ruotine for martial communities of Rajputana.
What really made difference in Ajmer was that Chauhan descendents withered away from the place and hence Ajmer was never back in the Rajput fold while other places like Marwar and Nagor were always wrestled back no matter how hard the enemy fell upon them. Why? because the clans and descendents never left their soil, even after defeat. They stayed around to fight another day.
That also tell us why Ajmer right in the middle of Rajputana became a leakage, an Islamic centre and always remained so.

The resistance was supported only in the hilly terrain of Rajasthan, MP and the Deccan plateau.
Resistance depends on the resolve of the people. Shown above with an example.

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resistance depends on the resolve of the people. Shown above with an example.

Yes it only depends upon resolve of people other wise you would have seen as many muslims in Uttar pradesh as in east bengal ( both are extensive plains )
 

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:nono: .. Surely Geography helps but isn't always a decisive factor.
Veer DurgaDas Rathore effectively waged Guerrilla warfare in Marwar against Aurangzeb. Marwar has no mountains or heavy forests for cover. It is a semi desert with pockets of bushes and shrubs.
Marwar's resistance went on for three decades until Aurangzeb died.
Ajit Singh destroyed numerous mosquees in retaliation.
Bakht Singh had even banned Namaaz in Marwar.


Chauhans were not the only power in Rajputana to have ever suffered a set back. Win and loss were ruotine for martial communities of Rajputana.
What really made difference in Ajmer was that Chauhan descendents withered away from the place and hence Ajmer was never back in the Rajput fold while other places like Marwar and Nagor were always wrestled back no matter how hard the enemy fell upon them. Why? because the clans and descendents never left their soil, even after defeat. They stayed around to fight another day.
That also tell us why Ajmer right in the middle of Rajputana became a leakage, an Islamic centre and always remained so.

Resistance depends on the resolve of the people. Shown above with an example.

Regards,
Virendra
You didn't get the point. The resolve of people is always important, there is no disagreeing with it. But one needs other things along with resolve to fight a bigger army. In the plains there is just no way to fight a guerrilla war, one either submits to the army in charge or die fighting against it. That's what happened in the northern plains. You think the Hindu rulers there had no resolve or they were happy to let go of power? They couldn't fight back because they had no means to fight back. The Chauhans weren't the only power in the plains, but they were the biggest power and once their army was destroyed, it was just a matter of time for other smaller clans. The example of Marwad explains itself, Marwad had plenty of hill forts and it's shielded from north and east by other Rajput kingdoms and hilly terrain, on the west it's protected by harsh semi desert terrain, only the south is exposed. The Rajputs were well aware of their powers and limitations, there is a reason why they rarely attempted to expand into the Gangetic plains. It's necessary to understand geopolitical realities to understand history, it's not to put down resolve of the people who resisted Jihadi onslaught.
 

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he Rajputs were well aware of their powers and limitations, there is a reason why they rarely attempted to expand into the Gangetic plains. It
You really think that Pratiharas, Chandellas and gaharvads who ruled over UP for more than 4 centuries were not Rajputs?
 

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You really think that Pratiharas, Chandellas and gaharvads who ruled over UP for more than 4 centuries were not Rajputs?
I meant Rajputs of Rajasthan post 12th century. Not debating semantics of word 'Rajput' here.
 

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IIRC Pratiharas were Gurjars and not Rajputs
Next you would say that chandellas were gonds.

they might have been anything ( they were kshatriyas but let us leave it here ) the time they arrived in indian history, they claimed descent from solar clan just like other rajputs.


also, the term gurjar is not kabila related but related to gujarat.
 

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Next you would say that chandellas were gonds.

they might have been anything ( they were kshatriyas but let us leave it here ) the time they arrived in indian history, they claimed descent from solar clan just like other rajputs.

also, the term gurjar is not kabila related but related to gujarat.
Gujarat comes from Gurjaratra, that much is a fact.

Now Gurjars might be called so because of the place they rose from (i.e. Gujarat/Gurjaratra).
This I'm not sure sure of. Read it in a book somewhere.

Are we going OT? :confused:

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