Another Proof of Marx's Folly: Cuba

[pmaitra]

I don't know how to find it.

You cannot find post #214?

Well, go back one page and scroll up.

Edit:

Back to topic, would you say the policies followed by Cuba are responsible for the current state that it is in? Perhaps. But then, what went wrong with Haiti?

 

[asianobserve]

I am not very well acquainted with Haiti. All I know is that that country ahs been in a lot of trouble thanks to long history of dictatorship, exacerbated by the horrific earthquake that struck it last year.

 

[pmaitra]

I am not very well acquainted with Haiti. All I know is that that country ahs been in a lot of trouble thanks to long history of dictatorship, exacerbated by the horrific earthquake that struck it last year.

Ok no problem.

Feel free to discuss anything else that you might be interested in; or if it goes too much off topic, feel free to open a new thread.

 

[Adux]

Its funny to people who dont even know the basic difference between capitalism, mercantile colonialism, communism and socialism talking about which is the best. the mythical mixed economy which as we know in the first 40 years of our existence have given us great dividends by forcing poverty and ensuring the fleeing of the best in the country.

 

[asianobserve]

Cuba has seen the futility of sticking to collectivism. But it must also be careful in embracing reforms. After years of socialist system its institutions are simply not ready for a drastic change into market economy. It's former protector the USSR is a good example of this danger. The problem however is that Cubans are getting desperate due to economic stagnation, it will just take one mistake for the whole thing to unravel.

 

[The Messiah]

But then, going by your own definition of capitalism, there is not a single nation in the world today, that is really "capitalist".

That is right.

But when capitalism will be lauded as a success story for those countries that are developed then it is only natural that those countries that are not well off will be highlighted as failures.

 

[The Messiah]

If US is not a Capitalist country then you my friend is not an Indian.

But you are certainly more yankee than a yank

It usa was a true capitalist country then for starters the govt wouldn't have bailed out wallstreet!

 

[asianobserve]

But you are certainly more yankee than a yank

It usa was a true capitalist country then for starters the govt wouldn't have bailed out wallstreet!

I expalined to you in my earlier post that government intervention is not foreign to capitalism. People still pay taxes even in capitalist societies, where do you think are those taxes going to be used? What you are referring to is the extreme philosophy of the neoliberals which spouses the barest government intervention in market and economic affairs. Their philosophy can be likened to Darwin's natural selection theory (not that a lot of them believe this theory), survival of the fittest. The market weeds out the fittest from the less fit. According to them the market is rational and will on its own always right itself when it encounters adversities. The government has no business intervening since it upsets the natural balance and in the process of intervening cost taxpayers a lot because let's face it every government activity is funded by taxes, and taxes are collected from the population.

The social conservatives (mostly in the US) would even go further in restricting government intervention in people's lives. They say that they should be left alone to decide for themselves. (I think they're idiots)

I'm more in tune with the Keynesian model.

How about you? Your an ardent socialist, which camp are you most in tune with Marx or Engels? Hahahaha!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Does anyone remember that Batista too was a revolutionary?

Fulgencio Batista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[asianobserve]

Does anyone remember that Batista too was a revolutionary?

Fulgencio Batista - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Who would forget? The second time around he was thoughfully nortured by your country. Remember the vast sugar lands in Cuba? Oil fields exploration contracts? One dark spot in US foreign policy...

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Who would forget? The second time around he was thoughfully nortured by your country. Remember the vast sugar lands in Cuba? Oil fields exploration contracts? One dark spot in US foreign policy...

... the Mafia-owned casinos. Actually, I was very young at the time and in 1959 thought Fidel was cool.

 

[pmaitra]

Tintin in America

So this is what European public opinion was about the US in some quarters which is reflected in this Belgian cartoon about how Corporate America's greed driven approach caused much havoc. Yet, one must not forget that the early European settlers did not come to America for gold or oil, but to escape religious persecution in Europe.

Thus, I would remind the readers not to judge the common American based on the actions of Corporate America or the US government, which of course gets funded by these corporate bigwigs.

Enjoy the cartoon!

 

[W.G.Ewald]

That cartoon is a classic.

Now there is a TinTin movie, brought to us by Steven Spielberg.

The Adventures of Tintin Trailer | Official Movie Site | Dec 21, 2011

As for the cartoon, there were Native Americans in Oklahoma (Cherokee, I believe) who were murdered because their land had oil. The FBI was involved in the investigations IIRC.

 

[pmaitra]

That cartoon is a classic.

Now there is a TinTin movie, brought to us by Steven Spielberg.

The Adventures of Tintin Trailer | Official Movie Site | Dec 21, 2011

As for the cartoon, there were Native Americans in Oklahoma (Cherokee, I believe) who were murdered because their land had oil. The FBI was involved in the investigations IIRC.

Tintin is my all time favourite. I am glad you know about it. Most Americans don't, and I think that is sad.

If I am not mistaken, most of the Native Americans were forced to settle in Oklahoma after being driven out of other places (now that state reminds me of Garth Brooks); and also, there was a Native American uprising in Wounded Knee, South Dakota, which, thankfully, got resolved quickly with some unfortunate casualties.

I have had the privilege of visiting the Miccosukee Nation in Florida, who are, as told by a Miccosukee, the only Native Americans to not have signed a peace treaty with US. Their flag is the German Flag with a white strip on top:

P.S.: W.G.Ewald, perhaps you could start a new thread on the history of America?

 

[W.G.Ewald]

P.S.: W.G.Ewald, perhaps you could start a new thread on the history of America?

There are a couple of things I could post in Military History, if allowed (the forum description specifies Indian Military, but mods here don't seem to be to rigid.) A concept which really interests me is looking at events in the same year on different continents. For example, the year 1757 in India and North America.

I'll be out of the net for about three days, however.

Y'all have a good weekend.

Oh, the Cherokee were driven out of North Carolina, I think, and Andrew Jackson was involved.

Wounded Knee was a massacre of the Sioux tribe; the 7th Cav Reg. did that job, but I'll confirm that.

 

[pmaitra]

There are a couple of things I could post in Military History, if allowed (the forum description specifies Indian Military, but mods here don't seem to be to rigid.) A concept which really interests me is looking at events in the same year on different continents. For example, the year 1757 in India and North America.

I'll be out of the net for about three days, however.

Y'all have a good weekend.

Definitely, whenever it is convenient for you.

Yes, this is mainly for military history centred around India, but we do have a section for international threads and then there is the Members' Corner. I am sure no one will object to learning about the history of America. We have so many threads about the history of the Russian Empire and the USSR. Why not get more information about the other side of the Cold War divide?

You have a great weekend as well.

 

[civfanatic]

I have had the privilege of visiting the Miccosukee Nation in Florida, who are, as told by a Miccosukee, the only Native Americans to not have signed a peace treaty with US.

It would be more appropriate to say that they are the only Native American nation to not sign a treaty with the U.S. and still survive...

Also, if Native American history interests you, check out the Tippecanoe thread in the Military History thread.

http://defenceforumindia.com/military-history/26978-battle-tippecanoe-200-year-anniversary.html