MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[Sancho]

We've been hearing about the Super Hornet for some time now. The question is whether it's just talk talk and more talk or are the PTB ever going to move their frikkin asses to get it going? When?

As long as the government keeps failing to support the forces properly, not much will happen. But then again, with this government, the urge for increased partnerships to the US, the lower costs and the team up of Boeing and HAL, the chances for the F18 SH, were never better. But while it would be a good option for the navy, it would be a set back for IAF, with clearly more suitable and capable options available.

 

[Sancho]

Saab EW developments going well:



Also a month ago, Saab held the Gripen Seminar 2018, with several new infos on Gripen Es EW capabilities. Besides the already know GaN RWR and jammer, they also confirmed 6 x IR MAW sensors, to provide full spherical detection capability, which sets another benchmark for 4.5th gen fighter EWs.

http://saab-seminar.creo.se/180516/annual_gripen_seminar_2018

 

[Pandeyji]

http://www.boeing.co.in/products-an...efense-space-and-security-in-india/fa-18.page

Nahi chahiye. We are not interested.

 

[Pandeyji]

Reverse engineering Rafael and 50 Pakfas os a good option.

Reverse engineering PAK-FA

Atleast get it completed 1st. At present speed India would've AMCA before Russia gets PAK-FA

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

15 years and still continuing.

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[no smoking]

Reverse engineering PAK-FA

Atleast get it completed 1st. At present speed India would've AMCA before Russia gets PAK-FA

That is very interesting, Russia already got their Su-57 and put it in battle mission in Syria, where is India's AMCA?

 

[Pandeyji]

That is very interesting, Russia already got their Su-57 and put it in battle mission in Syria

Citation needed

Comparing a fantasy thats evergoing to get fuilfill/an aircraft of tye drawing board with Su-57 is an insult to Pakfas.

Fantasy, you say

https://sputniknews.com/military/20100129157715602/

https://sputniknews.com/military/20120702174358197/

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Some new truths i learned from this thread.

1) Rafale is better than J-20

2) DRDO gave us 4.5 gen fighter

3) DRDO gave us SSBN

Is Arihant a fishing boat according to you? And the second and third submarines are much bigger than the first.

 

[Jumbo]

I second that.

MRCA 2 has been fabricated for a repeat purchase of Rafale but in a manner to bargain better since this time number is going to be very big.

If we follow the past pattern of Indian establishment (civil and military both) , they keep getting one western and one Russian fighter jet.

Mainly of French, Russian and British origin.

I won't surprise if they follow the same pattern, this time again.

Chances of Rafale are better though.

What say...…..!

 

[Sancho]

If we follow the past pattern of Indian establishment (civil and military both) , they keep getting one western and one Russian fighter jet.

Mainly of French, Russian and British origin.

That's because India had no options in the past. Gripen C/D, Tornados, F15s and F16s were restricted to be sold to us, which made Russian, French / British fighters the
only choice. That changed, just as the political relations to Russia and the US, especially since the current Indian government came to power. When we have trouble to procure Russian high end fighters, we certainly won't go for their outdated low end fighters anymore. No matter which fighter comes and when, it will be a western one and the chances for a US fighter were never better than today.

 

[Jumbo]

Wrong post ……………………………………………………………………………..

 

[Jumbo]

That's because India had no options in the past. Gripen C/D, Tornados, F15s and F16s were restricted to be sold to us, which made Russian, French / British fighters the
only choice. That changed, just as the political relations to Russia and the US, especially since the current Indian government came to power. When we have trouble to procure Russian high end fighters, we certainly won't go for their outdated low end fighters anymore. No matter which fighter comes and when, it will be a western one and the chances for a US fighter were never better than today.

Really...……..…….!...…………?

Have a look --------------->

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/06/india-asserts-independence-in-foreign.html

 

[WolfPack86]

Airbus has confirmed that they will pitch Typhoon fighter jets for MMRCA 2 to get the contract of supplying 110 fighter jets for Indian Air Force. Whereas according to some media, Dassault yet to offer Rafales for this new global competition , instead they are waiting for follow on orders.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

As India’s July 6 deadline approaches for the big 200 @MakeInIndia fighters project, all six contenders from the doomed MMRCA contest confirm they’re back in the game, reports @Stratpost.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[Jumbo]

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As India’s July 6 deadline approaches for the big 200 @MakeInIndia fighters project, all six contenders from the doomed MMRCA contest confirm they’re back in the game, reports @Stratpost.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

Isn't it 110...……………………………………………………………...

 

[Sancho]

Really...……..…….!...…………?

Have a look --------------->

http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/06/india-asserts-independence-in-foreign.html

What's your point? The link doesn't show anything.

 

[Jumbo]

What's your point? The link doesn't show anything.

Still India remains as it is. With age old trusted friend, Russia. That is what that article says.

 

[Sancho]

Still India remains as it is. With age old trusted friend, Russia. That is what that article says.

The Russian side has not changed, it's the options available to India and India itself that changed.

 

[Kay]

As India’s July 6 deadline approaches for the big 200 @MakeInIndia fighters project, all six contenders from the doomed MMRCA contest confirm they’re back in the game, reports @Stratpost.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

They will be in the game for a very very long time

Doesn't mean they will win though..:biggrin2:

 

[WolfPack86]

France offers Rafale Jets, stage set for MMRCA 2.0
French aerospace vendor Dassault says it will offer the Rafale in a global tender floated by the Indian Air Force (IAF) on April 6, inviting vendor interest for supplying 110 fighter aircraft.

Dassault’s representative in India, Posina Venkata Rao, confirmed to Business Standard on Wednesday that the Rafale would be fielded in the contest.That sets the stage for a re-run of the failed “medium multi-role combat aircraft” (MMRCA) procurement that the IAF conceived in 2000, officially tendered in 2007 and eventually abandoned in 2015.

With Airbus Defence and Space confirming on Tuesday that Eurofighter GmbH would offer the Typhoon fighter to India the IAF will have to choose from the same six vendors that participated in the aborted MMRCA tender.

The other four contenders in that procurement – Swedish company, Saab, Russia Aircraft Corporation (RAC), and US vendors Lockheed Martin and Boeing have already signalled their eagerness to participate in the new tender.

If no other fighter manufacturer makes a surprise appearance before July 6, the date by which vendors must respond to an IAF request for information (RFI), the IAF will find itself conducting what aerospace industry experts disparage as MMRCA 2.0.

Aviation analysts wonder how the IAF will go about flight-testing six aircraft, when it had already announced in 2011, at the conclusion of the MMRCA testing process, that only two – the Rafale and Typhoon – met its requirements. The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, F-16 Super Viper, Gripen C/D and MiG-35 were all rejected as inadequate.

After selecting the Rafale, negotiations broke down over its price and “Make in India” terms. Eventually, the government bought 36 Rafales, in fly-away condition, to alleviate the IAF’s dire shortfall of fighter aircraft.

“Clearly, the IAF will have to scale down performance expectations this time. Else it might be left with the same choices that it found unacceptable in the MMRCA tender”, says one aviation expert.

Of the six vendors in MMRCA 2.0, Boeing is offering the same aircraft, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which it intends to build in India with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) and Mahindra. Like Dassault, Boeing will leverage its offer with another simultaneous tender for 57 carrier-borne fighters for the Indian Navy (IN).

Lockheed Martin has offered the F-16 Block 70, a cosmetic improvement over the F-16 Super Viper it offered the last time. It has tied up with the Tata Group to shift the F-16 production line to India, provided it wins the contract. However, IAF pilots see the Block 70 as little better than the Super Viper, and remain wary of buying an aircraft so closely associated with the Pakistan Air Force.

RAC plans to offer the same MiG-35 as it did for the MMRCA contest, with no indication yet about whom it will partner to build the fighter in India. While it remains a dark horse in this race, analysts point out that both the IAF and IN already fly the MiG-29 – the baseline fighter for the MiG-35.

Only Saab is offering a significantly improved fighter, the new Gripen E. In contrast to the Gripen C/D that Saab offered in the MMRCA contest, the Gripen E has a more powerful General Electric F-414 engine, newer avionics, more payload and greater range. If it meets the IAF’s performance requirements, this single-engine aircraft (like the F-16, but without that fighter’s drawbacks) will have the advantage of being priced more cheaply than the larger, twin-engine F-18, MiG-35, Typhoon and Rafale.

Industry estimates are that single engine fighters would cost about $80-85 million each, while twin-engine fighters would be priced closer to $120 million apiece. Given the Defence Procurement Procedure’s emphasis on cost, that could be a winning advantage for a single-engine fighter that meets the IAF’s performance requirements.

The RFI of April 6 called for vendor proposals for supplying 110 fighters, of which 75 per cent (82-83 fighters) would be single-seat aircrafts, while the remaining 27-28 fighters would be twin-seat variants.

The emphasis was on “Make in India”, with no more than 15 per cent of the order – or 16-17 fighters – to be supplied fully built. The RFI specified that a “Strategic Partner/ Indian Production Agency” must build the remaining 93-94 aircraft in India.

That leaves the door open for both private firms and HAL to be the Indian partner.

Delivery of the 16-17 ready built fighters must begin within 36 months, and be completed within 60 months of the contract. The fighters built in India must start being delivered 5 years from the contract and delivery completed 12 years from the signing date.

In the RFI, the IAF has stated it wants a “day and night capable, all weather, multi-role combat aircraft.” It must outperform enemy aircraft in air-to-air combat, strike ground targets, and do reconnaissance, electronic warfare and air-to-air refuelling. It must also be capable of maritime strike, i.e. destroying targets far out to sea.

Based on the RFI responses, the IAF will issue vendors a formal tender. That will be followed by a process – which in the past has lasted years – of technical and flying trials, cost evaluation and then price negotiation with the winning vendor.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/France-offers-Rafale-Jets,-stage-set-for-MMRCA-20-559141