MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[Immanuel]

What i meant was that Tejas Mark 1A might be just an FOC Tejas upgraded with AESA & shit, or may have some aeroydynamic changes & expanded flight envelope too.

But HAL is to complete delivery of FOC versions by 2019-20 fiscal year. What's the point in making them sit & lay eggs until 2022? Better for IAF's depleting numbers to just increase the FOC order.
It's not Mark 1A, but it's no dud either!!! FOC is atleast equal with our Mirage-2000-5s, probably better in most aspects... more than enough for the time being.

Well, best way to bridge production gap is if the SPORT variant is ready within a year then to oder 100 of them 3 sqds for IAF and 2 for IN which allows for LIFT trainer while MK-1A & 2 get ready. Along side Combat Hawk. These stage 3-4 trainers can be used as an air national guard. Based at key locations like Jodhpur or Halwara, Jamnagar, Sulur, Vizag & A&N they can be used not only for operational training, they can be the first responders for air policing tasks.

 

[WolfPack86]

.. #Breaking IAF close to buy 21 mig-29 fighter aircrafts worth $900 million ..

..The Indian Air Force (IAF) is looking to purchase 21 Russian MiG-29 jets to address the shortfall of combat aircraft in a deal estimated to be valued at $900 million (INR 6,300 Crore).

“The airframes are ready and Russia has promised to deliver all 21 fighters within 18 months,” a senior air force official was quoted by Hindustan Times as saying Thursday.

The IAF requires 42 squadrons (each comprising 16 -18 fighters) for its operations, but has only 30 presently. More squadrons will be decommissioned in the coming months. French-made Dassault Rafale supersonic multi-role fighters will be delivered to the country September this year.

The MiG-29s are upgraded with a more effective radar system, controls, and avionics systems, dorsal and wing tanks, and air-to-air refueling making the aircraft 4.5 generation fighters priced between INR 285-300 Crore per fighter.

“The price is extremely competitive. The endurance of the aircraft is now nearly 5 hours with the additional fuel tanks,” the report quoted a defense ministry official as saying.

The IAF already has three squadrons of MiG-29 positioned along the western borders. The country has one fighter Aircraft Repair Depot, Air Force station Ozar in Nashik (Maharashtra) where some of the MiG-29s are being upgraded with the help of Russian Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM).

“We do not need to set up a fresh facility to maintain the fighters. In addition, the Ozar facility has ensured that at least 75% of the fleet is always available for operational deployment,” another official said.

“Importantly, the IAF already has crew and maintenance staff trained.

Induction of the fighters will not require a fresh effort,” the official added
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[WolfPack86]

We can buy brand new MIG-35 fighter instead of this.

 

[south block]

We can buy brand new MIG-35 fighter instead of this.

Servicing cost over life time would be 10 times the original cost.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

We can buy brand new MIG-35 fighter instead of this.

This is quick fix. Air frames are ready so within 18 months 21 fighters will land.

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[itsme]

What you guys think of f15 silent Eagle or f15 x. The f 15x seems really advanced 4++ gen with internal weapons bay and an phenomenal pay load capacity.

 

[Frontrunner]

F 15 silent eagle hasn't been offered to india as it comes under heavy category not the medium category which IAF needs. f18 super hornet also has weapon bays but i think India is offered hornet E/F not the advanced super hornet. If we are going for an American fighter aircraft it will be hornet or f-35 not the silent eagles or f21.

What you guys think of f15 silent Eagle or f15 x. The f 15x seems really advanced 4++ gen with internal weapons bay and an phenomenal pay load capacity.

 

[Filtercoffee]

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[WolfPack86]

F-21 only for Indian Air Force, not to be offered to anyone else around World


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The F-21 is a unique fighter aircraft we are offering only to the Indian Air Force and is not going to be on offer for anyone else around the world, said Vice President of Strategy and Business Development for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Vivek Lall on Wednesday.

Speaking to ANI here, Vivek Lall said: "The F-21 is a unique fighter aircraft we are offering only to the Indian Indian Air Force (IAF). It is not going to be on offer for anyone else around the world. We have a strategic partnership with Tata on this program. There are some unique features for India which we cannot reveal."

Earlier in the day, Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) unveiled the F-21 multi-role fighter for India, specifically configured for the Indian Air Force.



The F-21 provides unmatched Make in India opportunities and strengthens India’s path to an advanced airpower future. The fighter aircraft addresses the IAF's requirements and integrates India into the world’s largest fighter aircraft ecosystem with the world’s pre-eminent defence company. Lockheed Martin and Tata Advanced Systems would produce the F-21 in India, for India.

“The F-21 is different, inside and out. The new [F-21] designation highlights our commitment to delivering an advanced, scalable fighter aircraft to the Indian Air Force that also provides unrivalled industrial opportunities and accelerates closer India-US cooperation on advanced technologies," Lall said.

This Make in India opportunity combines the strength of the world's largest defence contractor with India's premier industrial house to deliver a historic win-win for India and the United States, reported NewsVoir.
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[Kchontha]

F21 is the new wine in the old bottle. Will it be similar to mwf since both are single engine? Does iaf favour single engine or twin engine like rafale for mmrca? I wonder.

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[WolfPack86]

#Russia is ready to transfer technology of Mig-35 to #India , ready to participate setting up the required infrastructure in India required to provide maintenance and support to Russian jets through their whole life-cycle : MIG CEO (In an interview to Financial Express)

 

[ashdoc]

Mig 35 will come with the same fuel guzzling RD33 engine of mig 29 . Not worth it . Also will have same maintenance issues like Sukhoi 30 .

 

[Kchontha]

#Russia is ready to transfer technology of Mig-35 to #India , ready to participate setting up the required infrastructure in India required to provide maintenance and support to Russian jets through their whole life-cycle : MIG CEO (In an interview to Financial Express)

Transfer Karna hein toh mig41 ka Karna chahiye not mig 35.

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[IndianHawk]

Mwf fighter will be much better than mig35.
Will carry as much payload and have more advanced avionics and weaponary.

Single engine fighters don't make sense with mwf on development path.

More rafale will come and then mwf and amca all the way .

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[itsme]

IAF should go for F21 IMHO to replace Mig21s, 23s and 27s. And Rafale to replace Mirages, Jaguars & Mig 29s. And we can have Tejas MK1A/Mk2 in the future.

 

[gryphus-scarface]

IAF should go for F21 IMHO to replace Mig21s, 23s and 27s. And Rafale to replace Mirages, Jaguars & Mig 29s. And we can have Tejas MK1A/Mk2 in the future.

The Tejas is intended to replace the MiG 21, and the MWF is intended to replace the Mirage 2000, Jaguar and the MiG 29. The MMRCS I think is for MiG 27.

 

[IndianHawk]

The Tejas is intended to replace the MiG 21, and the MWF is intended to replace the Mirage 2000, Jaguar and the MiG 29. The MMRCS I think is for MiG 27.

That was before. Now it's all muddied.
Amca was supposed to replace jaguar / mirage but now mwf will do that.
So what will AMCA replace su30?

Btw what did su30 replaced when it entered service?

Mig27 was not multirole but a good attack aircraft with armour. Rafale is multirole so can simultaneously replace mig27 and mig21/mig29.

So does lca. Lca mk1 it self can carry as much to ground attack as mig27. ( Both 4000kg payload) but lca has better radar , fbw flight control too and better munitions.
Mk1a will have aesa SAR ground mapping making it even more capable of ground strike so lca mk1/mk1a can also simultaneously replace mig21 and mig27 both.

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[Kchontha]

That was before. Now it's all muddied.
Amca was supposed to replace jaguar / mirage but now mwf will do that.
So what will AMCA replace su30?

Btw what did su30 replaced when it entered service?

Mig27 was not multirole but a good attack aircraft with armour. Rafale is multirole so can simultaneously replace mig27 and mig21/mig29.

So does lca. Lca mk1 it self can carry as much to ground attack as mig27. ( Both 4000kg payload) but lca has better radar , fbw flight control too and better munitions.
Mk1a will have aesa SAR ground mapping making it even more capable of ground strike so lca mk1/mk1a can also simultaneously replace mig21 and mig27 both.

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It is not like that and it is not all muddled at all. The first requirement is all about mig 21 replacement, this void will be filled in by tejas mk1 & mk1a this is an urgent requirement. The next is all about mig 27 replacement; this is another urgent requirement. This can also be filled in by tejas. Next comes the jaguar replacement, this deep strike ground attack aircraft is facing obsoleteness in near future inspite of its upgrade. Mig 29 and mirage 2000 need to be replaced also in the near future. So mwf and more rafale are needed. Rafale could not manned the whole Indian airspace though it is advance aircraft because it's an expensive aircraft. Herein lies the significance of mwf, amca and supersukhois. Moreover mwf is touted as mini rafale though former is lighter but equally capable whereas in case of amca it will be a gen ahead of rafale in terms of technology and capability. Therefore, future scenario and the decades to come will be of amca, supersukhois, rafale, mwf and tejas. They are capable of warding off adversaries aircrafts. In 40s sukhois need to be replaced by a 6 gen heavy aircraft most probably ahca.

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[IndianHawk]

It is not like that and it is not all muddled at all. The first requirement is all about mig 21 replacement, this void will be filled in by tejas mk1 & mk1a this is an urgent requirement. The next is all about mig 27 replacement; this is another urgent requirement. This can also be filled in by tejas. Next comes the jaguar replacement, this deep strike ground attack aircraft is facing obsoleteness in near future inspite of its upgrade. Mig 29 and mirage 2000 need to be replaced also in the near future. So mwf and more rafale are needed. Rafale could not manned the whole Indian airspace though it is advance aircraft because it's an expensive aircraft. Herein lies the significance of mwf, amca and supersukhois. Moreover mwf is touted as mini rafale though former is lighter but equally capable whereas in case of amca it will be a gen ahead of rafale in terms of technology and capability. Therefore, future scenario and the decades to come will be of amca, supersukhois, rafale, mwf and tejas. They are capable of warding off adversaries aircrafts. In 40s sukhois need to be replaced by a 6 gen heavy aircraft most probably ahca.

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We had 250 mig21 how are 120 mk/mk1a will replace them . That is why they were talking about single engine fighter competition to provide 114 more single engine birds.

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[gryphus-scarface]

We had 250 mig21 how are 120 mk/mk1a will replace them . That is why they were talking about single engine fighter competition to provide 114 more single engine birds.

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No you are getting confused. There is no use of 250 odd MiG 21 type aircraft. Quite frankly the use of even the LCA is severely limited thanks to its size. That's why we will induct very few (123 total) and replace the rest with MWF and other fighters. By the way, ACM B.S. Dhanoa said that the MWF is the replacement for the Mirage 2000, MiG 27 and MiG 29 a few days after Balakot. Unless there is even fresher news, that's the latest update from the IAF. They said they wanted about 200 MWF in addition to 123 LCA.