MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

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Very likely, expect the next 36 Rafales to be ordered in the next 8 months
Dassault has ramped up production to 26 units for the 2019 fiscal year. The ALA will defer deliveries until the end of 2020 to meet the export backlog. To invest in more than doubling expansion of the production line Dassault must feel very confident in doubling its current order book.
 

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When French Dassault closed the production lines we should have bought a license to make Mirage-2000 in India. Upgraded with modern tech, it'd easily be at par with SH, Mig-35, f-21 etc. while still being cheaper than Rafale & Typhoon.

ITR better than IOC Tejas with 8G-limit (& IAF doesn't do stalling maneuvers in airshow yet).
But no idea about STR though, didn't find footage of full turns... IOC Tejas did 16sec loop at Lima 2019.
The solo display team had some fantastic pilots!
 
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When French Dassault closed the production lines we should have bought a license to make Mirage-2000 in India. Upgraded with modern tech, it'd easily be at par with SH, Mig-35, f-21 etc. while still being cheaper than Rafale & Typhoon.

ITR better than IOC Tejas with 8G-limit (& IAF doesn't do stalling maneuvers in airshow yet).
But no idea about STR though, didn't find footage of full turns... IOC Tejas did 16sec loop at Lima 2019.

The solo display team had some fantastic pilots!
The M2000 local production was offered to India on multiple occassions dating back to the original order in the 1980's but rejected for various nonsensical reasons. Prior to MMRCA Dassault offered to shift the entire line to India but that too was rejected and they closed the line rather than wait for MMRCA to conclude and offered Rafale instead. The rest is (shambolic) history
 

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The M2000 local production was offered to India on multiple occassions dating back to the original order in the 1980's but rejected for various nonsensical reasons. Prior to MMRCA Dassault offered to shift the entire line to India but that too was rejected and they closed the line rather than wait for MMRCA to conclude and offered Rafale instead. The rest is (shambolic) history
Well with the Congress we had in power what one can expect. :hehe:
Well, can you give me a source of that offer.
 

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When French Dassault closed the production lines we should have bought a license to make Mirage-2000 in India. Upgraded with modern tech, it'd easily be at par with SH, Mig-35, f-21 etc. while still being cheaper than Rafale & Typhoon.

ITR better than IOC Tejas with 8G-limit (& IAF doesn't do stalling maneuvers in airshow yet).
But no idea about STR though, didn't find footage of full turns... IOC Tejas did 16sec loop at Lima 2019.
The solo display team had some fantastic pilots!
the congi government might have hoped to get Huge Maaaal with mmrca process and didint shown any interest in mirage-2000 line.

but the production line of mirage-2000 would have turned Tejas as Marut 2.0 version story. Its not easy to build aircraft manufacturing eco system. It takes its own time. No short cuts.

And all the struggle of Tejas now is paying off in the form of Tejas mk2 and AMCA as we are in a much better position to make it happen. Just check out the Tejas mk2 ... its closing and surpassing Gripen E.
 
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#IAF finalising norms for 114 jets

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The Indian Air Force (IAF) is close to finalising the technical parameters for the 114 fighter aircraft tender in process and the case is expected to be put before the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) in June. “The Air Staff Quality Requirements (ASQR) are being finalised by the Air Force Headquarters. After that the file would be sent to the Integrated Defence Staff (IDS) within two months for formulating within the Service Capital Acquisition Plans,” a defence official said.

However, the next meeting of the DAC is scheduled only in June after the elections, the official said and added, “We will put it up before the DAC then for getting the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN).”After the AoN is granted, the IAF will issue the detailed Request For Proposal (RFP) to the vendors based on the ASQRs.

Last April the IAF had issued the Request For Information (RFI) which states that the government plans to buy 114 fighters jets, of which 85% will have to be built in India under the Make in India programme in partnership with a “Strategic Partner/Indian Production Agency.”

The procurement will be processed through the Strategic Partnership (SP) model of the Defence Procurement Procedure under which the selected global company has to tie up with an Indian private partner and build the jets locally under transfer of technology.

Seven global companies responded to the tender of which two are single engine jets and others are twin engine fighters.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal
 

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IAF Squadron 10 operating with Mig27 UPG Bahadurs retired on the 31st March.... Coincidentally a MIG 27 crashed couple of days back belonging to Squadron 29 which is now the only Mig27 squad left in IAF inventory and this too will retire by 31st Dec 2019. Now hurry up with the Tejas Mk1A and MWF so we don't loose the numbers
 

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That bus is long lost. No respite will he given to iaf till 2025. Rafales will prove good but mere 36 numbers thats too meant for strategic command force won't make any significant deterrence.
IAF Squadron 10 operating with Mig27 UPG Bahadurs retired on the 31st March.... Coincidentally a MIG 27 crashed couple of days back belonging to Squadron 29 which is now the only Mig27 squad left in IAF inventory and this too will retire by 31st Dec 2019. Now hurry up with the Tejas Mk1A and MWF so we don't loose the numbers
Only after 2025 when mk1a will start coming and mmrca2.0 at around horizon, iaf will be feeling somewhat better till then it has to keep on with dwindling numbers of squadrons.
 

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Only after 2025 when mk1a will start coming and mmrca2.0 at around horizon, iaf will be feeling somewhat better till then it has to keep on with dwindling numbers of squadrons.
IAF Squadron 10 operating with Mig27 UPG Bahadurs retired on the 31st March.... Coincidentally a MIG 27 crashed couple of days back belonging to Squadron 29 which is now the only Mig27 squad left in IAF inventory and this too will retire by 31st Dec 2019. Now hurry up with the Tejas Mk1A and MWF so we don't loose the numbers
Tejas Mk1A is to have 1st flight in 2021 & induction in 2023.

IAF needs to place further orders of FOC Tejas, not just 1 squadron. Fully equipping the force with only Mk1A standard Tejas would be too costly anyway...
 

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Tejas Mk1A is to have 1st flight in 2021 & induction in 2023.

IAF needs to place further orders of FOC Tejas, not just 1 squadron. Fully equipping the force with only Mk1A standard Tejas would be too costly anyway...
Mk1A has to be the workhorse of the IAF. Atleast 200 Mk1A(including 40 mk1 upgraded to mk1A standard.)

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The point remains that the MK 1 can later be upgraded to Mk 1A and I think IAF should seriously think of ordering at least 2-4 squadrons of MK 1 FOC so that will stabilise the production line as well as the Squadron numbers

Tejas Mk1A is to have 1st flight in 2021 & induction in 2023.

IAF needs to place further orders of FOC Tejas, not just 1 squadron. Fully equipping the force with only Mk1A standard Tejas would be too costly anyway...
 

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#IAF finalising norms for 114 jets

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The Indian Air Force (IAF) is close to finalising the technical parameters for the 114 fighter aircraft tender in process and the case is expected to be put before the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) in June. “The Air Staff Quality Requirements (ASQR) are being finalised by the Air Force Headquarters. After that the file would be sent to the Integrated Defence Staff (IDS) within two months for formulating within the Service Capital Acquisition Plans,” a defence official said.

However, the next meeting of the DAC is scheduled only in June after the elections, the official said and added, “We will put it up before the DAC then for getting the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN).”After the AoN is granted, the IAF will issue the detailed Request For Proposal (RFP) to the vendors based on the ASQRs.

Last April the IAF had issued the Request For Information (RFI) which states that the government plans to buy 114 fighters jets, of which 85% will have to be built in India under the Make in India programme in partnership with a “Strategic Partner/Indian Production Agency.”

The procurement will be processed through the Strategic Partnership (SP) model of the Defence Procurement Procedure under which the selected global company has to tie up with an Indian private partner and build the jets locally under transfer of technology.

Seven global companies responded to the tender of which two are single engine jets and others are twin engine fighters.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamAMCA/photos/?ref=page_internal
7 companies???

Typhoon
Mig 35
Rafale
F16
F 18
Gripen

6 companies. Which is the 7th?

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That bus is long lost. No respite will he given to iaf till 2025. Rafales will prove good but mere 36 numbers thats too meant for strategic command force won't make any significant deterrence.

Only after 2025 when mk1a will start coming and mmrca2.0 at around horizon, iaf will be feeling somewhat better till then it has to keep on with dwindling numbers of squadrons.
Rafales aren't meant for SFC, they are meant for deep conventional strikes. For now the SFC will have 42 MKI to fill that roles. Keep in mind ISE Rafale will be the last to be delivered from the first batch of 36 and FOC on the ISE variant will only be given around 2023, they won't have nuke capability from day one (in the Indian context). one N-Rafale sqd will probably come up and replace the 20 or so Jaguars who fill that role for now. For now, Rafale will fill in gaps in number. Jags and MKI with nukes are more than enough for strikes on both Chi-NaPakis

SFC MKI's have N armed Brahmos.
 

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Mk1A has to be the workhorse of the IAF. Atleast 200 Mk1A(including 40 mk1 upgraded to mk1A standard.)

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The point remains that the MK 1 can later be upgraded to Mk 1A and I think IAF should seriously think of ordering at least 2-4 squadrons of MK 1 FOC so that will stabilise the production line as well as the Squadron numbers
What i meant was that Tejas Mark 1A might be just an FOC Tejas upgraded with AESA & shit, or may have some aeroydynamic changes & expanded flight envelope too.

But HAL is to complete delivery of FOC versions by 2019-20 fiscal year. What's the point in making them sit & lay eggs until 2022? Better for IAF's depleting numbers to just increase the FOC order.
It's not Mark 1A, but it's no dud either!!! FOC is atleast equal with our Mirage-2000-5s, probably better in most aspects... more than enough for the time being.
 

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Exactly my point albeit the fact that I suggested 2-4 squadrons only

What i meant was that Tejas Mark 1A might be just an FOC Tejas upgraded with AESA & shit, or may have some aeroydynamic changes & expanded flight envelope too.

But HAL is to complete delivery of FOC versions by 2019-20 fiscal year. What's the point in making them sit & lay eggs until 2022? Better for IAF's depleting numbers to just increase the FOC order.
It's not Mark 1A, but it's no dud either!!! FOC is atleast equal with our Mirage-2000-5s, probably better in most aspects... more than enough for the time being.
 

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