An emerging India through Pakistani Eyes - threats and counter strategies

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Hurtling Towards a War in 2019-20 ; An Essay

India is left with no choice but to fight a war sooner than later to stop Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir and the rest of India. Although the Pakistanis may not like it that their policy of hurting India with thousand cuts is the key. Daily armed trespassing by armed Pakistanis intruders across the Line of Control and the international border and denials every time, still refusing to take their dead back is the key reason. Worst out of all these offensive actions is insulting the dead soldiers by cutting off their heads or gouging their eyes is a whole tone far beyond any civilized behavior of any modern armies. That is what the Pakistanis are doing.

The Surgical Strike by India a year back to wipe out the armed terrorists has killed a few, but it caused no effect on Pakistani behavior. They have mastered the art of denials hence they continue to deny their own citizens a decent burial. Shame on them all......

Hence war preparations are on in India and parallel are on in Pakistan. Military stores have been ordered especially for spare components and specialized ammunition, etc. Missiles are being upgraded like Barak, Akash, Astra, Brahmos and many other cases. Very advanced aircrafts like Rafale are being purchased to augment the depleted air force. Air defenses are being upgraded with S-400 purchase. The most resilient part of ground offensive .... the very advanced artillery from Indian, US and Korean sources is being added on an everyday basis. The military tanks are being upgraded with night vision and 360 sights with hunter killer capabilities. Attack helicopters of best kind will soon be conducting flight in India, whose delivery will be completed in six months. The navy has received advanced submarines, destroyers and aircraft carriers to blast enemy fleet if it has ever stepped out of its protective harbors including sneak attacks.

All these Indian preparations totalling $50 billion or more will be 80% complete by 2022-23. Other items of long delivery type are on order and may not get delivered. So Indians are ready for war, if it happens. These provisions are a bit late because the previous regime was much slow on ordering. Had all these provisions been made four years earlier, then the befitting answer to the enemy policy of a thousand cuts and gruesome murders would have been paid by now.

They would all be too afraid.

Pakistanis are really nervous about all these preparations. Although they do not admit yet the truth of the thing is that they have nothing to match it. All American military assistance has been cut. Chinese military hardware which is registering up in Pakistan is no match to what India has bought. Diplomatically the state encouragement of terrorism policy has isolated it completely. They are a pathological liar with no friends. Even China wants its debt payments on time and now. The IMF will entertain a request for a large loan only if they get get satisfactory replies to their main question of how did Pakistan got into this situation. Other than a huge expense of the army, what else have they managed to incur these huge losses. The result is a large Chinese loan, which turned out to be a debt trap.

With all these financial problems and an outdated force which has been starved out of spare parts will be relic of the yesteryear. And so how will they match up to India during hostilities brought on by the thousand cuts policy.

If the hostilities were to take place in the winter time frame, then even Chinese cannot help, the Himalayas are frozen for six months. Well a dilemma for Pakistan and advantage for India. Moreover, there is no President Nixon in the Whitehouse like in 1971 to order Chinese to intervene. Instead, there is a hostile President Trump in the Whitehouse. Moreover, the Chinese are moving to improve their relations with India, hence Chinese help will be limited.

With all this scenario that thousand cut policy is leading Pakistan into war, which they cannot fight or if they do battle, they will loose and loose big.

During the warfare, territorial ambition is not part of Indian desire, but the destruction of Pakistani forces is the key desire.

Pakistanis, so badly isolated are unlikely to embark on a nuclear war, even in its own territory. It will ask for a retaliation of the kind that this world will remember and especially the Muslim world will not be able to stand up. So beware of this madness.

Hopefully, all this will not happen, but who knows that these over confident generals of Pakistan may commit themselves to war like in 1971 and then hand over the power fully to the civilian government. That is the only benefit remains if the Pakistani public would have. And if there is a nuclear war then there will be no Pakistan left to talk about.
 

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Hurtling Towards a War in 2019-20 ; An Essay

India is left with no choice but to fight a war sooner than later to stop Pakistani terrorism in Kashmir and the rest of India. Although the Pakistanis may not like it that their policy of hurting India with thousand cuts is the key. Daily armed trespassing by armed Pakistanis intruders across the Line of Control and the international border and denials every time, still refusing to take their dead back is the key reason. Worst out of all these offensive actions is insulting the dead soldiers by cutting off their heads or gouging their eyes is a whole tone far beyond any civilized behavior of any modern armies. That is what the Pakistanis are doing.

The Surgical Strike by India a year back to wipe out the armed terrorists has killed a few, but it caused no effect on Pakistani behavior. They have mastered the art of denials hence they continue to deny their own citizens a decent burial. Shame on them all......

Hence war preparations are on in India and parallel are on in Pakistan. Military stores have been ordered especially for spare components and specialized ammunition, etc. Missiles are being upgraded like Barak, Akash, Astra, Brahmos and many other cases. Very advanced aircrafts like Rafale are being purchased to augment the depleted air force. Air defenses are being upgraded with S-400 purchase. The most resilient part of ground offensive .... the very advanced artillery from Indian, US and Korean sources is being added on an everyday basis. The military tanks are being upgraded with night vision and 360 sights with hunter killer capabilities. Attack helicopters of best kind will soon be conducting flight in India, whose delivery will be completed in six months. The navy has received advanced submarines, destroyers and aircraft carriers to blast enemy fleet if it has ever stepped out of its protective harbors including sneak attacks.

All these Indian preparations totalling $50 billion or more will be 80% complete by 2022-23. Other items of long delivery type are on order and may not get delivered. So Indians are ready for war, if it happens. These provisions are a bit late because the previous regime was much slow on ordering. Had all these provisions been made four years earlier, then the befitting answer to the enemy policy of a thousand cuts and gruesome murders would have been paid by now.

They would all be too afraid.

Pakistanis are really nervous about all these preparations. Although they do not admit yet the truth of the thing is that they have nothing to match it. All American military assistance has been cut. Chinese military hardware which is registering up in Pakistan is no match to what India has bought. Diplomatically the state encouragement of terrorism policy has isolated it completely. They are a pathological liar with no friends. Even China wants its debt payments on time and now. The IMF will entertain a request for a large loan only if they get get satisfactory replies to their main question of how did Pakistan got into this situation. Other than a huge expense of the army, what else have they managed to incur these huge losses. The result is a large Chinese loan, which turned out to be a debt trap.

With all these financial problems and an outdated force which has been starved out of spare parts will be relic of the yesteryear. And so how will they match up to India during hostilities brought on by the thousand cuts policy.

If the hostilities were to take place in the winter time frame, then even Chinese cannot help, the Himalayas are frozen for six months. Well a dilemma for Pakistan and advantage for India. Moreover, there is no President Nixon in the Whitehouse like in 1971 to order Chinese to intervene. Instead, there is a hostile President Trump in the Whitehouse. Moreover, the Chinese are moving to improve their relations with India, hence Chinese help will be limited.

With all this scenario that thousand cut policy is leading Pakistan into war, which they cannot fight or if they do battle, they will loose and loose big.

During the warfare, territorial ambition is not part of Indian desire, but the destruction of Pakistani forces is the key desire.

Pakistanis, so badly isolated are unlikely to embark on a nuclear war, even in its own territory. It will ask for a retaliation of the kind that this world will remember and especially the Muslim world will not be able to stand up. So beware of this madness.

Hopefully, all this will not happen, but who knows that these over confident generals of Pakistan may commit themselves to war like in 1971 and then hand over the power fully to the civilian government. That is the only benefit remains if the Pakistani public would have. And if there is a nuclear war then there will be no Pakistan left to talk about.
Stirring up POK for rebelion against Pakistan and taking it over on pretext could be a remote possiblity. But ISI is doing same on this side with much better results I guess. Where will kashmiri "misguided" awam will side is a big question and a big disadvantage for us. Secondly, China has huge investment in POK so obviously it will willingly or unwillingly has to intervene.

Offcurse the blame lies on the previous policy makers who lacked simple foresight. Demography is a big weapon. ISI knew exactly what it was doing in 1989 by throwing out Hindus from Kashmir. Where's our policy makers brought article 370 and never ever tried demographic change like the chinease did in Tibet. Shameful. Bloody congressis.
 

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Pakistan will continue to try for peace in region: Janjua

Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua says relations with India are not improving because New Delhi is "spinning hatred". — File photo
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Secretary Tehmina Janjua on Tuesday said Pakistan would continue with its efforts for peace in its neighbourhood despite New Delhi’s negative attitude and called upon world powers to support Islamabad’s posture in this regard.
Speaking at a conference on “Conflict and Cooperation in South Asia: Role of Major Powers” hosted by the Islamabad Policy Research Institute (IPRI), the foreign secretary said: “We are convinced that we will continue to try for peace and stability in the region.”
Referring to India’s approach on ties with Pakistan, Ms Janjua said New Delhi was “spinning hatred” and perpetuating “dynamic rivalry”. This, she maintained, was not only unhelpful for improving Pakistan-India ties, but was also stopping South Asia from making progress and attaining peace.
Foreign secretary says India holding Saarc summit process hostage.
The foreign secretary recalled that India, by refusing to attend Saarc summit in Islamabad, was holding the regional body’s summit process hostage.
She regretted that India tried to drown in controversy Pakistan’s gesture of agreeing to ‘Kartarpur Corridor’, for facilitating Sikh pilgrimage to one of their holiest sites, due to its domestic politics, but Islamabad ignored the Indian negativity and decided to “stay the course”.
About the new government’s policy on India, Ms Janjua spoke of Prime Minister Imran Khan’s first nationwide address after elections in which he had offered to take two steps for every single step that India would take for normalisation of ties with Pakistan. She said PM Khan in his letter to his Indian counterpart Narendra Modi later expressed willingness to discuss all issues that were part of the ‘Composite Dialogue’.
“Unfortunately we haven’t seen the kind of reciprocation that was required,” she maintained.
The foreign secretary also criticised New Delhi for “spending massively on force modernisation” and questioned the support being extended to it by the world powers in its acquisition of weapons.
“Recently held India-US 2+2 dialogue provides India access to advanced and sensitive US military hardware, technology and weaponry,” she said and also took a rare jab at Moscow for signing a deal for provision of advanced S-400 air defence system to India. “This would undermine the delicate strategic balance in the region and beyond,” she said.
Reiterating Pakistan’s position on Indian arms build-up, she said: “Pakistan is concerned that such an arms race will be detrimental to peace and stability of the region. Pakistan doesn’t subscribe to any nuclear or conventional arms race in the region.” Ms Janjua said Pakistan would continue to pursue its policy of “credible minimum deterrence” to maintain strategic stability and cater for its interests.
Contending that Pakistan’s foreign policy has been successful, the foreign secretary said it was proven by the successful counterterrorism operations, the progress achieved by the CPEC and the emerging consensus on seeking a peaceful resolution of the Afghan conflict.
“Our view point on Afghanistan on the futility of kinetic approaches and merit of pursuing Afghan-owned and Afghan-led reconciliation process is finding greater traction today than ever before,” she underscored.
 

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Arms Race Against India May Completely Disintegrate Pakistan Like USSR – Experts
India-Pakistan Arms Race is on, but Pakistan appears to be making the same mistake that the USSR made against the US – getting involved in an arms race against an economically superior enemy. Can Pakistan really compete against an economic superpower and world’s fastest growing economy – India? Here is a report on Pakistan’s defence spendings.
The Pakistan government proposes to spike allocation for defence by a whopping 18 per cent to Rs1.1 trillion for the next fiscal year from the original estimate of Rs920bn for the outgoing financial year. The increase represents the highest growth in the defence budget in over a decade, as the allocation is 10.22pc greater than the revised estimate of Rs998m for the present financial year.
The Top 5 Defence Budgets of the world
  1. US ($602.8 billion)
  2. China ($150.5 billion)
  3. Saudi Arabia ($76.7 billion)
  4. Russia ($61.2 billion)
  5. India ($52.5 billion)
According to Defence News, the defence expenditure is 21pc of the total budget outlay for the next year and 3.2pc of gross domestic product. The increase is consistent with the rate of 20pc at which the current expense is estimated to grow the next financial year.
However, the allocation does not give the complete picture of the defence budget, as it does not include Rs260bn for the pension of retired soldiers and the allocation for major weapon procurement.
In his budget speech, the newly appointed Finance Minister, Miftah Ismail, noted the sacrifices rendered by the military and paramilitary forces, and their success in eliminating terrorist hideouts.
The government allowed 11pc annual increase in the defence budget on an average except for its first budget 2013-14 when the PML-N government had increased the defence spending by 15pc.
The budget does not include several other allocations for the military, including Rs260bn for pension, which is 76pc of the federal government’s total pension bill, as well as Rs45bn for security enhancement.
While there is no mention of expenditure incurred on the country’s nuclear and missile programme, major planned military hardware acquisitions are also not part of the Rs1.1tr defence allocation. The defence budget details show that maximum growth (31pc) has been recorded in the employees-related expenses over the original allocation for the outgoing year and 16.25pc when compared with the revised numbers. This head covers the salaries and allowances paid to troops in uniform and civilian employees.
The operating expense, which covers transport, POL, ration, medical treatment, training etc, has grown by 12.4pc from the one allocated in the current financial year.
A 16pc increase has been proposed for physical assets that provide for local purchase and import of arms and ammunition and related procurements. The increase is 12.8pc over the revised figures for 2017-18.
Civil works that include funds marked for maintenance of existing infrastructure and construction of new buildings get a 10.1pc increase over the original allocation, or six per cent when compared with the revised figure.
The ratio at which the budgets of the three forces and the inter-services institutions are proposed to grow also gives an interesting read. The army traditionally gets the lion’s share of the increase, but this time around the navy has been given 21.4pc increase over the original allocation, followed by the army (19.7pc), Pakistan Air Force (19.5pc) and inter-services institutions (18.6pc).
It gets even more interesting when the hike is compared with the revised budget for the outgoing year according to which the army got the lowest rise of four per cent whereas the air force 16pc, the navy 15.5pc and the inter-services institutions 17.3pc.
Jane’s Defence Budgets Report had in December forecast that global defence expenditure was set to touch the highest level in 2018 since the end of the Cold War. Over the last decade, the global defence expenditure had fallen from an average level of 2.7pc to 2.2pc of GDP. However, they are growing for the fifth consecutive year.
 

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Why Bangladesh overtook Pakistan

The writer teaches physics in Lahore and Islamabad.
BANGLADESH is not some Scandinavian heaven. It is poor and overpopulated, undereducated and corrupt, frequented by natural catastrophes, experiences occasional terrorism, and the farcical nature of its democracy was exposed in the December 2018 elections. But the earlier caricature of a country on life support disappeared years ago. Today, some economists say it shall be the next Asian tiger. Its growth rate last year (7.8 per cent) put it at par with India (8.0pc) and well above Pakistan (5.8pc). The debt per capita for Bangladesh ($434) is less than half that for Pakistan ($974), and its foreign exchange reserves ($32 billion) are four times Pakistan’s ($8bn).
Much of this growth owes to exports which zoomed from zero in 1971 to $35.8bn in 2018 (Pakistan’s is $24.8bn). Bangladesh produces no cotton but, to the chagrin of Pakistan’s pampered textile industry, it has eaten savagely into its market share. The IMF calculates Bangladesh’s economy growing from $180bn presently to $322bn by 2021. This means that the average Bangladeshi today is almost as wealthy as the average Pakistani and, if the rupee depreciates further, will be technically wealthier by 2020.
Other indicators are equally stunning. East Pakistan’s population in the 1951 census was 42 million, while West Pakistan’s was 33.7m. But today Bangladesh has far fewer people than Pakistan — 165m versus 200m. A sustained population planning campaign helped reduce fertility in Bangladesh. No such campaign — or even its beginnings — is visible today in Pakistan.
Eschewing militarism in favour of human development, Bangladesh set its initial priorities correctly.
The health sector is no less impressive — far fewer babies die at birth in Bangladesh than in Pakistan. Immunisation is common and no one gets shot dead for administering polio drops. Life expectancy (72.5 years) is higher than Pakistan’s (66.5 years). According to the ILO, females are well ahead in employment (33.2pc) as compared to Pakistan (25.1pc).
How did West Pakistan’s poor cousin manage to upstage its richer relative by so much so fast? It’s all the more puzzling because Bangladesh has no geostrategic assets saleable to America, China, or Saudi Arabia. It also has no nuclear weapons, no army of significance, no wise men in uniform running the country from the shadows, and no large pool of competent professionals. At birth, East Pakistan had, in fact, no trained bureaucracy; it received just one member of the former Indian Civil Service.
None should be more surprised at these new developments than those West Pakistanis — like me — who went to school during the 1950s and 1960s and grew up surrounded by unconcealed racism. Short and dark Bengalis were reputedly good only for growing jute and rice and catching fish. They were Muslims and Pakistanis, of course, but as children we were made to imagine that all good Muslims and real Pakistanis are tall, fair, and speak chaste Urdu. We’d laugh madly at the strange-sounding Bengali news broadcasts from Radio Pakistan. In our foolish macho world, they sounded terribly feminine.
The mega surrender of 1971 made West Pakistanis eat humble pie. But, even as the two-nation theory went out of the window, the overwhelming majority was loath to change its thinking. The west wing renamed itself Pakistan, many assuming this was temporary. They said Bangladesh could never survive economically and would humbly ask to be taken back.
Others optimistically imagined that the disaster had taught Pakistan a profound lesson making change inevitable. Responding enthusiastically to the popular roti, kapra, makaan slogan, they believed Pakistan would shift from pampering its hyper-privileged ones towards providing welfare for all. Equally, it was hoped that the rights of Pakistan’s culturally diverse regions would be respected. None of this happened. Instead, we simply got more of what had been earlier.
Thirsting for vengeance, Pakistan’s establishment could think of nothing beyond wounded honour and ways to settle scores with India. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto’s secret call for the nuclear bomb led to the famed Multan meeting just six weeks after the surrender. That centralisation of authority breeds local resentment remained an unlearned lesson. In 1973, Bhutto dismissed the NAP government in Balochistan and ordered military action, starting a series of local rebellions that has never gone away. In doing so, he re-empowered those who ultimately hanged him.
In a nutshell, Bangladesh and Pakistan are different countries today because they perceive their national interest very differently. Bangladesh sees its future in human development and economic growth. Goal posts are set at increasing exports, reducing unemployment, improving health, reducing dependence upon loans and aid, and further extending micro credit. Water and boundary disputes with India are serious and Bangladesh suffers bullying by its bigger neighbour on matters of illegal immigration, drugs, etc. But its basic priorities have not wavered.
For Pakistan, human development comes a distant second. The bulk of national energies remain focused upon check-mating India. Relations with Afghanistan and Iran are therefore troubled; Pakistan accuses both of being excessively close to India. But the most expensive consequence of the security state mindset was the nurturing of extra state actors in the 1990s. Ultimately they had to be crushed after the APS massacre of Dec 16, 2014. This, coincidentally, was the day Dhaka had fallen 43 years earlier.
Bangladesh is conflicted by internal rifts. Still, being more multicultural and liberal, its civil society and activist intelligentsia have stopped armed groups from grabbing the reins of power. Although elected or quasi-elected Bangladeshi leaders are often horribly corrupt and incompetent, they don’t simply endorse decisions — they actually make them. Ultimately responsible to their electorate, they are forced to invest in people instead of weapons or a massive military establishment.
For Pakistan, these are lessons to be pondered over. CPEC or no CPEC, it’s impossible to match India tank for tank or missile by missile. Surely it is time to get realistic. Shouting ‘Pakistan zindabad’ from the rooftops while obsequiously taking dictation from the Americans, Chinese, and Saudis has taken us nowhere. Announcing that we have become targets of a fifth-generation hi-tech secret subversion inflames national paranoia but is otherwise pointless. Instead, to move forward, Pakistan must transform its war economy into ultimately becoming a peace economy.
 

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Anxiety is prevalent in Pakistani TV media now. They initially were celebrating the stuff, then came to boasting of their army but now pissing in pants after that rumour of mobilization of forces & air strikes and escalation to culminate into full scale war.

Difference being they still claim it to be false flag and comfortably ignoring the JeM taking responsibility of the attacks.

Funny thing is that they actually believe that this attack somehow helped Modi when even his hardcore supporters abused him now.
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The similar sh!t was during 2016 confrontation. On first day, "We'll teach a lesson to India". On third day, "We want peace with India".
Anyways, goverment shouldn't blow empty air with few cross border strikes.

International media has declared that we've declared war with Pakistan probably even before us. World should feel the heat from our actions.
 

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Picking the other narrative up.........
Attempts to isolate
The writer, a former ambassador, is adjunct faculty Georgetown and Syracuse University.
PRIME MINISTER Imran Khan and the military leadership have been expressing a desire for improved relations with India. But India is unlikely to respond anytime soon. And the reasons go beyond its upcoming elections.
I recall here a private briefing some of us South Asia hands in Washington got from a close adviser of Narendra Modi soon after he took office as prime minister. Unaware of my identity, he spoke of Pakistan with contempt. “We are going to treat Pakistan as if it were on the other side of a high wall,” he said. Four years on, the adviser is there as is India’s Pakistan policy.
How has the policy endured for so long? The search for the answer opens up a vast landscape of policy, politics and ideology in India. Beginning in 1991, India has been on a steady march to foster external relations conducive to its economic growth and technological development. This would define how it engaged with great powers, especially the United States, thus raising its economic weight, military potential, and diplomatic stature.
Modi has enhanced this policy, making it and national security the centrepiece of India’s priorities. Balancing China and containing Pakistan, knitted together by the opposition to CPEC, reflect and affect these policies as do India’s relations with Afghanistan.
How has India’s Pakistan policy endured for so long?
India, Modi reckoned, could not rise under the threat of destabilisation by alleged non-state actors from across the border. He would use India’s relations with Washington to strengthen his hands vis-à-vis Pakistan, particularly to change its ‘behaviour’. And, with his tough approach towards the latter country, help advance US interests in South Asia.
There were, no doubt, important domestic stimuli also at work; the Pakistan policy represents the historical Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh view of Muslims, Pakistan and Kashmir. Then, of course, it reflects the position of the Bharatiya Janata Party. The BJP that Modi leads has a much broader appeal. Marketing-savvy and skilled in the use of digital tools, Modi has tapped into the traditional nationalist ideology of his party, and by bundling it with a shiny economic agenda and populism reached out to wider demographics. And the Pakistan issue, traditionally popular with the BJP’s voter base, has helped.
Tensions with Pakistan have always served to move general populace away from dissatisfaction on other issues. But the accent on militancy, and the way Modi played the attacks in Pathankot in January 2016 and Uri in September 2016 that triggered an enormous emotional response from the Indian citizenry, has given the party a broader constituency.
The issue also helps Modi gain his military’s support. India has risen and so has its military’s ambitions. Militancy broadens the scope of conflict and enlarges the concept of national security elevating the military’s national profile. All it needs is a credible enemy to raise the stature of the issue. From its perspective, Pakistan fits the bill.
Modi knows the power of the visual for modern media. The invitation to Nawaz Sharif to his (Modi’s) swearing-in ceremony and the air dash to Lahore on Sharif’s birthday in December 2015 had a dramatic impact internationally, especially in Washington. It showed Modi as keen for good relations, and Pakistan as a spoiler. Modi managed to conjure up this image by avoiding a military response to attacks he perceived to be coming from across the border. Instead, cancelling talks and sabotaging the Saarc summit kept the focus on Pakistan’s ‘behaviour’, while earning India praise for its ‘restraint’.
The issue thus serves, among other purposes, India’s attempts at isolating Pakistan and keeping it off balance, limiting its diplomacy on Kashmir. Modi’s brutal repression of Kashmiris has no room for compromise; hence no compulsion for dialogue.
Indians like the Pakistan policy to be in the hands of a strong leadership. They would go along with peace if possible, as with Vajpayee, or war if necessary, as long as the leadership was resolute and decisive. Would a re-elected Modi have a rethink on Pakistan? It would all depend on the trade-off at the time between the unknowns of normalisation with Pakistan, and the familiar gains of tensions for domestic politics, Kashmir, and India’s regional and geopolitical interests.
Any economic incentive will not feature yet given Pakistan’s position on MFN and transit trade, and the Afghanistan situation, that inhibits pipeline prospects and trade with Central Asia. But concern of being left behind in the scramble for peace in Afghanistan may count.
Pakistan may have responded well, as far as Pakistan-India relations go. But the real question to ask? Modi’s Pakistan policy enhances India’s national objectives; is Pakistan’s India policy doing the same for Pakistan?
 

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The article was written just a day before attack.
Writing the set of narratives which may help to argue:
  1. They accept India's expanding economic military giant & clout of influence. But not in very positive way & implications. They think we are a rough & evil state after themselves screwing Afghanistan up with Taliban.
  2. They belive that deteriorating relations with Pakistan is a plus point for Indian elections. Overestimating themselves.
  3. They belive India to be a stooge of West like they are of China. It makes them successfully ignoring the past full of dissentions between India and the US which still exist which otherwise they could take advantage of. India is as autonomous country as West, Russia or China. They failed their own foreign policy because they need to use situation correctly because even believing it hurts their egos. After all, they have a tendency to believe that India and Pakistan are "arch rivals" and regional powas of "south asia". India had problems with all those countries which Pakistan could use successfully.
Pakistan isn't an issue in India unlike Pakistanis take India. Indians don't make it, "dono atmi quwwatein apni taqat ka mujaira kar rahi hain" or "regional security".

Simply, making it India vs Pakistan boosts their ego. While Indians actually hate Pakistan and aren't often interested in making it "versus". They aren't interested in leading in a "regional rivalry". They aren't excited by being in competition with an already doomed country.

All they know that their country was broken and this country in our neighbor with map like a dog is a symbol of demise of India's unity.

Put your views and use interpreted narratives above in any argument to shut em up.
 

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The economic strangulation of Pakistan should be taken to a whole new level

Start affecting their exports and drag them in arms race.

Partially done.Will take 3-4 more years before indian economy hits fast track.

Become a trade centre for west central and southern east asia.

Bleed them dry of opportunity.This will take very long to happen and requires a long term planning.

Other thing is to become the largest trading partners with Iran and Afghanistan.

They won't wanna miss out on the humongous lucrative indian market.

We should be like TOP trading partners.

Compete with Chinese on technological front.Provide emerging countries with a better alternative.

All of this will probably require a lot of dedication meticulous planning long term planning and precise execution and most of all patience.
 

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Compete with Chinese on technological front.Provide emerging countries with a better alternative.
Trade would have been much better, our economy would have doubled and we'd throwing weight in Central & West Asia if Pakistan didn't exist.
 

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Trade would have been much better, our economy would have doubled and we'd throwing weight in Central & West Asia if Pakistan didn't exist.
But do we have any other option.

We cannot and should not even risk a full scale 2+ week long war with Pakistan.
Just we gotta stress them.
As for trade with central asia,for that we must have strong ties with Russia Iran and Afghanistan.
We are on great terms with all of them.
Surely trade with them is costly due to no land border and hostile airspace.

But once trade happens in volumes,the cost will be mitigated.The shape of Russian and Iranian economy isn't great,they would love some ₹₹₹₹₹₹₹₹₹₹₹₹ flowing in their economy.To keep their countries stable.I see north south transport corridor as stepping stone towards a greater trade relations with these countries and CENTRAL ASIA.

Pakistan isn't worth a full scale war,it deserves breakup,like USSR.
 

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Surrender Monkeys (Name coined by an American blogger at WAB) will talk about everything and anything on the earth but they never talk about their terror enterprise they are using to attack India and others.

Every time when a Pakistani try to sound intellectual, every time when they try to spout sophistry they omit terrorism from it.

Indians especially Congress-I apologists and few dickless, semen-less, argumentative one-eyed (kaney) wise crows who go to their websites to engage them, get so carried away that they start treating Pakistanis as equals when they actually are the perpetrators of the crimes against India.

When you talk about their terror enterprise every argument that Pakistani throws at you become redundant.

But due to lack for self-respect and low self-esteem, these earthworms go to Pakistani websites get abused and never reciprocate insult hurled at our gods let alone calling them out for their terror which is the only argument if debated that can decode every so-called complicated issue between both the nations.
 

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I've no problem with you, just trying to compile all related things on single thread, I even killed my own earlier thread, and if you know my history on this forum, I've been usually doing this.

Related discussion, done.

Same opinion here but experienced some positive folks about India from neighbor in last few weeks.

I can post dozens of reports, reduction in poverty, quality of life index, where to be born index, GDP per capita growth rate, global hunger index, education index, literacy rate, average years of schooling, increased consumption, doubled no. of internet users, shifting of people from first to second and third sectors.

Leave that all alone, India's annual HDI improvement rate's enough to reflect that.

Caste system isn't that effective in modern generation.
Again just like rape and murder issues, just by hyping in media about these horrors, you can no way cover up the threshold of exploitation of Shias and Ahmedis or killing of Hindus in Bangladesh, blood flowing through the streets and thousands leaving from their respective countries every year to take refuge in India, clarifies everything.

Still it fails to argue the main point,

Pakistanis are claiming to be descandants of Indus Valley Civilization, not residents but AFAIK, Pakistan was created on the base of Islamic Ideology of unifying all Indian (you call "South Asian":D) Muslims.

Case is different that this ideology has been proved bluff already back in 47 and later in 1971.

I know you won't belive me if I say there's nothing "magnificent" about Mughals, nor Islamic world gives a bloody damn about that.
SAUDI KING REQUESTS INDIAN & PAKISTANI MUSLIMS TO STOP PRETENDING TO BE ARABS
It's not only Indian and Pakistani but all South Asian (includes Bangladesh) Muslims who are looked down. Because they them as converts.
We Indians on DFI, have been reminding Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are mere converted Indians brainwashed by Wahabi-Salafi Terrorist organizations funded by Saudis.
And now for nuclear remark, if you are thinking that countries like Turkey, Iran or Pakistan [Though, I will agree to Turkey to some extent :)] to change world order in "Islamic" interests, please don't. Just one thing, "THE NUCLEAR" can't provide you political power to rule the world.
Iraq also had a nuclear program but without foreign umbrella, so further destabilized. Only difference between Iraq and Pak is that Pak has umbrella of China.

Pakistan is a country with an insignificant small economy, size, military forces and nearly no political power against the countries, messing with whom it has dared.

All major forces have forged their all aspects for full spectrum global approach, economic, military, research, diplomatic relations.
And that's why Pakistan's "Natural Ally" Afghanistansince decades suddenly switches towards India, Iran already being on India's side and now Arabian countries becoming "strategic partners" (an abbreviation) of India one by one.

(Though, BD will continue to be the pride of India's great Islamic empire, the first one.:biggrin2:)
Don't worry.


Factually incorrect.

Half gone (where you do live :D), half left which won't be last long.

Oye hello, everyone has to retire some day. You want them to work at these ages?
For Indian media, they bash "everything".

You sure of what you're speaking? This thread will prove half of your point wrong, for rest half, you can subscribe to any major Pakistani media channel.
Indian media dances for half or an hour for once and then, moves to other topic something like Kejriwal, Akhilesh, Japanese trains or Chinese intrusions (famous for sensational reporting, I agree), Pakistanis are one to run multiple serious debates everyday, every week.
I can get you some.

I don't know about Bangladeshis but I like other fellows myself try to keep away from politics whenever meet a foreigner.

And if you will be standing in front of me to ask that if I want a war, I will say no even if I want to nuke and wipe out your country.:biggrin2:

Further, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis (specially Pakistanis) are hard to be trusted in India. You never know if anyone of them is from JuD or a Jamaati with a bomb came here for a Mumbai type attack.
Many Sub continent Muslims have a great passion to be a "B" grade Arab. They are discovering their roots in uncivilized desert creed rather than highly civilized civilization. I do not why but it may be the wonder of Terror manual. Terror manual has made so many wonders on the many people. Being a suicide bomber requires a great degree of brain washing. It is the power of Terror manual which is able to do that.
 

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So, they're looking scared now.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1464780/regional-unrest-wont-serve-anyones-interests-says-foreign-minister

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...-tensions-with-india/articleshow/68059348.cms

https://www.dawn.com/news/1464599/q...ation-after-indian-rhetoric-on-pulwama-attack

https://www.dawn.com/news/1464784/a...esponse-analysts-back-pm-khans-offer-to-india

Don't what they had planned if its linked to Kashmir trade off and US-Saudi invasion to Iran, they most certainly didn't expect this kind of aggressive reactions.

They were jumping over Saudis landing in Pak and somekind of meddling with India on following tour.
India sent MBS back to KSA, called him back and got them giving statement in India's favour like a pet dog and have shown the "real aukaat" to everyone.:lol:
 

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