1. Posting this because you have specifically sought my comments. For healthy discussion no member should get allergy by the very mention of a nation he/she has been brought up to detest.
I've no problem with you, just trying to compile all related things on single thread, I even killed my own earlier thread, and if you know my history on this forum, I've been usually doing this.
2. There really are two Pakistans. One is the state astride the Indus. The other is the ideological Pakistan to which almost all SA Muslims subscribe. This Pakistan is not physical but a pan-Islamic ideology. I shall address the state of Pakistan.
Related discussion, done.
3. Not many in Pakistan will see anything "emerging" about India. They view India disintegrating with all the differences between the Dravidian South and the Brahmin/high cast dominated North. Insurgencies / secessionist conflicts in J&K, the Red Corridor and NE are pointers they would highlight.
Same opinion here but experienced some positive folks about India from neighbor in last few weeks.
If India is claiming an economic miracle, it is really the miracle with the big businesses one of whom calls a 27 floor high rise his home. The poor are not getting better. The rate of farmers committing suicide remain high. MMS as PM had stated that the writ of GOI did not cover one-third of geographical space of the nation. Has that changed much?
I can post dozens of reports, reduction in poverty, quality of life index, where to be born index, GDP per capita growth rate, global hunger index, education index, literacy rate, average years of schooling, increased consumption, doubled no. of internet users, shifting of people from first to second and third sectors.
Leave that all alone, India's annual HDI improvement rate's enough to reflect that.
Neither has free India done much to eradicate the horrors of caste-ism.
Caste system isn't that effective in modern generation.
Again just like rape and murder issues, just by hyping in media about these horrors, you can no way cover up the threshold of exploitation of Shias and Ahmedis or killing of Hindus in Bangladesh, blood flowing through the streets and thousands leaving from their respective countries every year to take refuge in India, clarifies everything.
4. The Indus valley has always acted as the advance position or even base for invaders entering India. That means cultural as well as physical invasion. Exceptions were Alexander who was interdicted by Porus and demoralized enough to go home. And the Khwarizm prince, Alauddin had stopped the invincible Chengiz Khan at the R Indus. Quite often a prince in the valley would invite an invader in.
Still it fails to argue the main point,
Pakistanis are claiming to be descandants of Indus Valley Civilization, not residents but AFAIK, Pakistan was created on the base of Islamic Ideology of unifying all Indian (
you call "South Asian") Muslims.
Case is different that this ideology has been proved bluff already back in 47 and later in 1971.
5. I mention this because current political situation aside, these and Afghanistan are Pakistan's natural allies. So are the global Muslims who see Pakistan as the successors to the magnificent Mughals.
I know you won't belive me if I say there's nothing "magnificent" about Mughals, nor Islamic world gives a bloody damn about that.
SAUDI KING REQUESTS INDIAN & PAKISTANI MUSLIMS TO STOP PRETENDING TO BE ARABS
It's not only Indian and Pakistani but all South Asian (includes Bangladesh) Muslims who are looked down. Because they them as converts.
We Indians on DFI, have been reminding Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are mere converted Indians brainwashed by Wahabi-Salafi Terrorist organizations funded by Saudis.
And now for nuclear remark, if you are thinking that countries like Turkey, Iran or Pakistan [
Though, I will agree to Turkey to some extent ] to change world order in "Islamic" interests, please don't. Just one thing, "THE NUCLEAR" can't provide you political power to rule the world.
Iraq also had a nuclear program but without foreign umbrella, so further destabilized. Only difference between Iraq and Pak is that Pak has umbrella of China.
Pakistan is a country with an insignificant small economy, size, military forces and nearly no political power against the countries, messing with whom it has dared.
All major forces have forged their all aspects for full spectrum global approach, economic, military, research, diplomatic relations.
And that's why Pakistan's "Natural Ally" Afghanistansince decades suddenly switches towards India, Iran already being on India's side and now Arabian countries becoming "strategic partners" (an abbreviation) of India one by one.
(Though, BD will continue to be the pride of India's great Islamic empire, the first one.:biggrin2
Don't worry.
6. Traditionally Muslims have been comfortable under military rule or at least the military having a say in the affairs of the nation.
Factually incorrect.
7. Pakistan will never give up Pakistan. Pakistanis also believe India never reconciled with the 1947 partition.
Half gone (where you do live
), half left which won't be last long.
. Pakistanis have not trusted any Indian leader except Bajpay and Jaswant Singh. One was vetoed at Agra by the hawks in Indian establishment and the other's promising political career was terminated by extremists in his party. It may as news to you - but Pakistanis do not have a pathological hatred for India or Hindus. While Indian media is replete with Pakistan bashing, Pakistani media or politicians do not appear to be preoccupied with India.
Oye hello, everyone has to retire some day. You want them to work at these ages?
For Indian media, they bash "everything".
While Indian media is replete with Pakistan bashing, Pakistani media or politicians do not appear to be preoccupied with India.
You sure of what you're speaking? This thread will prove half of your point wrong, for rest half, you can subscribe to any major Pakistani media channel.
Indian media dances for half or an hour for once and then, moves to other topic something like Kejriwal, Akhilesh, Japanese trains or Chinese intrusions (famous for sensational reporting, I agree), Pakistanis are one to run multiple
serious debates everyday, every week.
I can get you some.
9. I travel to India and Pakistan often and have good friends in both countries. They are all unconnected with politics and desire peace and good neighborly relations.
I don't know about Bangladeshis but I like other fellows myself try to keep away from politics whenever meet a foreigner.
And if you will be standing in front of me to ask that if I want a war, I will say no even if I want to nuke and wipe out your country.:biggrin2:
Further, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis (specially Pakistanis) are hard to be trusted in India. You never know if anyone of them is from JuD or a Jamaati with a bomb came here for a Mumbai type attack.