American Weapons for China - President Obama Pushes for Sale of C-130s to China

[badguy2000]

What's wrong with the word - Chicoms. It is short for Chinese Communists. It's not a racial or ethnic insult of any sort.

You should perhaps do some groundwork before making needless allegations and spoiling the mood of the forum.

-- Back on topic --

I agree with you. China won't be purchasing this in any decent number because of the Shaanxi Y-8 (spellings?) which is pretty much a clone of a clone of the C-130s.

The C-130s itself is a 60 years old technology.

However, this could open the floodgates for other arms sales by the West (U.S.+Europe+Israel) to China and that could be a worry for us in India.

At the same time, we mustn't forget that Russia too has sold high end offensive weaponry to China.

Russia won't have much to provide CHina soon,because its defence industry is laging day by day.

 

[Tshering22]

Wow perfect trap earlier it used to be India & pakistan now its china & India

US economy is in trouble big time, dude. There's problems with jobs and stuff and actually if you see, US is NOT the first country that has proposed such a thing; the first country to propose a removal of arms embargo from China was Spain who in EU meeting recommended that this could be the only method of reviving the arms export of Western countries as Chinese money would arrive and save European economies and arms industries. Obama is simply re-considering this option.

Besides, what's wrong if they sell C-130s to Chinese? It is not an offensive weapon. It is a transport aircraft with good capabilities and that's fine. I mean Israel won't object if we sell MRTA tomorrow to Iran as it is not an offensive weapon. It can be used for troop transport but hey, this is pure business. There are weapon classifications where a weapon is deemed offensive or defensive and this certainly falls in neither as it is merely transport and troop movement aircraft.

There's no need to get alarmed and start worrying- yet; as China also would have reservations in buying Western arms since local manufacturers would take a hit. China's economy and military industry has reached a capacity where a little bit more R n D would propel them as completely independent arms exporters themselves. They've already got a niche market to African countries, Oceanic countries and some Islamic countries via Pakistan.

I think we should calm down and not express our apprehension. Even if they sell C-130 there, it won't make much difference in the offensive capacity of PLA in troop deployment since even we're going to get it.

 

[Sri]

Russia won't have much to provide CHina soon,because its defence industry is laging day by day.

What makes you say that the Russian defense sector is lagging? Lagging behind whom? U.S.? Europe? Israel? China?

 

[Oracle]

US of A is already screwed big time by recession and Pakistan. Obama, it seems, is more interested in going down in history as the President who hit the last nail on the coffin. Only time will tell if his policies are immature & childish.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This seems to be a reaction to the 300 PAK-FA order to Russia 30 billion order to Russia makes the MRCA deal look pale in comparsion.

 

[SHASH2K2]

What makes you say that the Russian defense sector is lagging? Lagging behind whom? U.S.? Europe? Israel? China?

He is under impression that quality of Xerox will be better than actual document from which it is being mass produced.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese will buy 1 plane and reverse engineer the rest.

 

[nimo_cn]

What's wrong with the word - Chicoms. It is short for Chinese Communists. It's not a racial or ethnic insult of any sort.

You should perhaps do some groundwork before making needless allegations and spoiling the mood of the forum.

If i am not mistaking, Chicom is a derogatory term which is always used to humiliate Chinese, same with the word Chink or Chinaman.

I believe that is enough for me to make an allegation.

 

[nitesh]

oh so much for all the boasting of Chinese members here, Chinese are asking more imports :emot15:

China Urges U.S. To Further Relax Export Curbs - Defense News

 

[Tshering22]

If i am not mistaking, Chicom is a derogatory term which is always used to humiliate Chinese, same with the word Chink or Chinaman.

I believe that is enough for me to make an allegation.

Erm.. maybe. But it is really just a short form for the term Chinese Communists that's all. Surely, that won't be an offensive term since your government is Communist and represents your country.

You certainly have a right to complain if it is indeed offensive, but most people here are not out to offend foreign members. For example, Americans are called Yanks, British called Brits, Russians, Ruskies, we're abbreviated as "Curries" sometimes too (lol) and Chinese as Chicoms. There's no derogation or personal attack intended here as most members are more civilized here and you can see from the language. Chill buddy. :happy_8:

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

I think U.S. trying to equip both INDIA and CHINA and bring them to war and the U.S. simply will watch the war just like we watch a test cricket match by simply enjoying ourselves having tea, coffee and snacks. The end result of the war, whether it will be won by INDIA or CHINA, or whether both loose, i mean both come to point were no one can go further than a particular point, both countries will suffer huge loss of lives and also a huge loss economically.So, ultimately the U.S. will win the war as the war between the two huge and growing economies will bring them down both economically as well as both will have less resources and will take time to gain the same rate of GDP. This way U.S. will be happy to see the two ASIAN SUPER POWERS coming down to nothing more than a war affected states.
Either way U.S. will be happy to see this happen and will make all efforts to make this a reality. Both INDIA and CHINA should realise this and must develop a good mutual understanding and at the same time should be away from any confrontation between the two countries.

 

[Tshering22]

^^I've noticed this in Indian Apologists a lot-- whenever there's a mention of unease between India and China, they rapidly turn and blame the US. Arming both sides and maintaining what they call "neutrality" is a part of ALL Western countries. Come on, let's be serious; if Pakistan could afford 200+ Typhoons, Rafales or Gripens just as us, do you think that Europeans would hesitate to sell them even after they sold it to us? No. Because this is what they call "just business". And it IS just business. All these countries have private sector players who doe business like any other firm of other industries unlike our countries. Russia is the only country that blocks sales to Pakistan because it offers them nothing as a market whereas after Chinese, we're their largest clients for more than half a century.

The current political maneuvering that PRC is doing is not very friendly either. Sabre rattling in Southeast, taking bold steps in POK which is legally our territory, trying to pinprick Arunachal and Sikkim, threatening His Holiness from visiting Arunachal etc. Does this look friendly to you? A future conflict is inevitable at some point of the time as the PLA/AF/AN gets more and more unreasonably nationalistic by the day. So blaming USA for our own defences shouldn't be the attitude we adopt.

USA is supplying a transport aircraft to PRC military which already has a huge and very organized air transport fleet. It is not like they're gifting the Raptor to them. It is playing both sides but then that's what business is. As China gets more and more nationalistic, our differences will get wider and wider and it is high time Apologists accept this.

 

[Sridhar]

Report: No C-130s for China

By Stephen Trimble on October 13, 2010 3:50 PM | Permalink | Comments (7) | TrackBacks (0)
Josh Rogin of Foreign Policy magazine's blog, The Cable, solves the mystery of the White House letter sent to Congress last week that seemed to open the door for C-130 sales to China. Rogan writes:

"The president's waiver allows for the temporary export to China of C-130 aircraft only for the purposes of refueling and/or resupplying with oil spill chemical dispersants in China as necessary for oil spill response operations in the Southeast Asia region," said National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer. "No C-130 has gone to China or is being sold to China; this is just a waiver for a contingency plan."
Administration officials told The Cable that the State Department will still need to review and issue licenses for any C-130s that travel to China, and that this waiver was granted at the behest of allied countries.
"A European company that has C-130s wanted to be able to use them in a disaster response in that region and needed the waiver just in case they needed to land in China," a senior administration official told The Cable.
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This, of course, raises a new mystery: What European company owns C-130s? I'm aware one American (Lyndon Air Cargo), one Canadian (First Air) and two African companies (Libyan Air Cargo and Transafrik) operating the L-100 commercial version of the C-130. If there's a European operator, they must have a decommissioned militarized C-130. Any guesses?

The DEW Line

 

[nitesh]

^^

ha ha ha

So Chinese boasted without even knowing that they are not being offered anything at all :emot15:

 

[Sridhar]

Now the turn of Italy

Finmeccanica Eyes C-27J Sales to China

By admin at 20 October, 2010, 2:39 am

BY: Army Times Publishing Company
The CEO of Italy's Finmeccanica has said he would like to sell his firm's C-27J tactical transport aircraft to China, given that U.S. President Barack Obama has proposed the sale of C-130s to China.
China "is a country we are focusing on," Pierfrancesco Guarguaglini told Reuters on Oct. 18. "America has decided that it can sell the C-130 transport aircraft, which means we can sell the C-27J," he said.
Obama this month asked the U.S. Congress to lift a ban on export licenses for Lockheed Martin C-130s set to be used in China as part of operations to clear oil spills at sea. The C-27J, which was designed as a smaller version of the C-130J, has been sold by Finmeccanica to customers including the U.S.
Guarguaglini said that Italy's law on defense exports, known as Law 185/1990, would currently rule out selling the C-27J to China.
"We have certain limits thanks to law 185. If we get rid of these limits, China will also become a market for military sales. Otherwise it will remain a market for civil sales," he said.


http://idrw.org/?p=927

 

[debasree]

sell them c-130 and prepare to see a copy from china from 2-3 years.