Al Jazeera Documentary on Balochistan : Pakistan's other war

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But why??

Why do we even put kashmir on table for a grab when we already have it? Do you believe we care about what pak(or say anyone) have to chant about kashmir?
Wouldn't a pro-India result in a referendum (which appears to be the opinion here) result all of J&K coming under Indian Administration?

Or are you saying that India has unofficially given up all claims on the parts of J&K administered by Pakistan?
 

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Wouldn't a pro-India result in a referendum (which appears to be the opinion here) result all of J&K coming under Indian Administration?

Or are you saying that India has unofficially given up all claims on the parts of J&K administered by Pakistan?
who want those terrorists to be part of India, we are doing very well without them ... :scared2:
Mirpuris ... :scared2:

although i wont mind if GB becomes part of India .. ;)
 

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So there should be no problems in conducting a referendum/plebiscite under neutral authorities then, correct?
First make your country a Democratic Republic and talk about referendum/plebiscite.Pakis don't know what that means but they would cry a river for plebiscite.Pakis deserve to be booted under Army, the same Army who refuses to let it's soldiers rott but would not accept back. :lol:

You only believe in Army rule and using Army as a Political weapon, till now you have failed getting Kashmir and now whining and crying for plebiscite since you simply failed even through Army. :lol:

Instead of saving your unholy country getting disintegrated into Balochistan, SindhuDesh and FATA you are hell bent on getting what you don't have and would never have.This is the reason you LOST BANGLADESH. :lol:

:balochistan:...... :sindhudesh:
 

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A lot of false information in that documentary. The situation in Balochistan is bad but still 98% of the people want to stay with Pakistan, on the other hand, 98% Kashmiris don't want to stay with India.
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how can u prove ur claims?????:mad::mad:

there are more blood shed in Baluchistan than in kashmir today,watch TV if u have electricity or money to buy TV
 

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No problems there so long as the UN resolutions are implied - Pakistan to remove all its military and people from Occupied Kashmir!

Been over this many times Ray, even Pakistan's withdrawal is conditional upon all sides coming to an agreement ... which we do not have yet ...
 

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who want those terrorists to be part of India, we are doing very well without them ... :scared2:
Mirpuris ... :scared2:

although i wont mind if GB becomes part of India .. ;)
Which means that India has unofficially given up claims on Pakistan administered parts of J&K ...
 

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Which means that India has unofficially given up claims on Pakistan administered parts of J&K ...
Your power of understanding is extremely weak......it took you so long to understand that India has no interest in the part of Kashmir you have or else Indian Army would have got it back after thrashing you comprehensively in 1971.

We are quite happy with what we have but you seems to be extremely frustrated with the part of Kashmir India have. :lol: Get ready for more frustration boy because here are 2 more future Bangladesh ---> :balochistan:...:sindhudesh:
 

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First make your country a Democratic Republic and talk about referendum/plebiscite.
Working on it, but whether or not Pakistan is a democratic country has nothing to do with the referendum/plebiscite in j&K - if anything, the lack of democracy might play in favor of India, turning Kashmiris away from Pakista.
Pakis don't know what that means but they would cry a river for plebiscite.
You need to distinguish between 'the type of government wanted by people' and 'the choice to become a country/part of a country where the type of government can be debated'.
Pakis deserve to be booted under Army, the same Army who refuses to let it's soldiers rott but would not accept back. :lol:
The citizen of every country deserves the government they have, especially when apathy towards the political process runs deep, but that cannot be conflated with the desire to have a nation where people can suffer/enjoy the government they deserve.
You only believe in Army rule and using Army as a Political weapon, till now you have failed getting Kashmir and now whining and crying for plebiscite since you simply failed even through Army. :lol:
Where have I argued any of the above? Or is this how your claims of 'winning arguments against me on my own forum' come about, by making up ridiculous opinions, attributing them to me, and then claiming that you somehow proved an argument I had never made wrong?
Instead of saving your unholy country getting disintegrated into Balochistan, SindhuDesh and FATA you are hell bent on getting what you don't have and would never have.This is the reason you LOST BANGLADESH. :lol:

:balochistan:...... :sindhudesh:
Nations and people have to be able to multitask - addressing a host of domestic issues does not mean forgetting about others.
 

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Your power of understanding is extremely weak......it took you so long to understand that India has no interest in the part of Kashmir you have or else Indian Army would have got it back after thrashing you comprehensively in 1971.
Didn't you just reiterate my point, that India has unofficially given up claims on the parts of J&K administered by Pakistan? And if so, how are my 'powers of understanding extremely weak'?
We are quite happy with what we have ...
Again, you are supporting my argument, that India has unofficially given up all claims to Pakistan administered J&K.
 

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Wouldn't a pro-India result in a referendum (which appears to be the opinion here) result all of J&K coming under Indian Administration?

Or are you saying that India has unofficially given up all claims on the parts of J&K administered by Pakistan?
We really dont care about POK or askai chin. We are content with what we have but be sure we are not willing to lose an inch.

There wont be any ruckus in India if ind-pak settle for status quo and agree to convert LOC in IB.
 

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i want entire kashmir...we can always kick out the punjabi pakis from pok when he take over it.
 

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Guys sorry for my earlier remark, it was just my frustration about how Pakistanis were treated on this forum.

Now Kashmir isn't the topic but Balochistan.

Here is a video by a Bugti claiming the main families among the Baloch don't want seperation.


Also please be aware that the level of insurgency is grossly exaggerated. If your going to get your information from wikipedia and search BLA, you will know that it goes to Indian sources. The 10,000 members of BLA is totally conjured from thin air.

Also, contrary to popular belief, Balochistan did actually accept to become part of Pakistan, they made a deal with Jinnah, but after Jinnah passed away, the next leaders did not live up to the promises made to the Baloch Nawabs.
 
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A zaid hamid video as a serious argument :rofl:.
dude let me warn you with postings like this this forum is going to be very tough for you.
welcome btw.
do make an introduction thread :)
 

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Nagraj, don't let your prejudice blind you.

Thanks for the welcome.

If you had watched the video, you will realize Zaid Hamid is not present anywhere.
 

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Sarfaraz must be one of them bought sardars.

And in any case today BLA is led by middle class. There are just two types of sardars, bought by the establishment or in exile.
 

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FEBRUARY 24TH, 2012 7:50

Mehmal Sarfraz – A Pakistani speaks out for Baluchistan Part 4

By markulyseas

Here is an excerpt from an article written by Mehmal Sarfraz Editor Daily Times, Pakistan, and published on February 24, 2012.
Why are the military, ISI and the Frontier Corps (FC) still adamant on ruthlessly killing the Baloch?

This is the fifth time an insurgency has broken out in the sparsely populated yet immensely important province — first when Balochistan was forcefully made to accede to Pakistan in 1948; the second an uprising in 1958-59 when martial law was imposed; later in 1962-63; then the historic 1973-77 Baloch struggle and the latest ongoing round of insurgency, whose embryonic beginnings were in 2002, and which escalated after Nawab Akbar Bugti's death in 2006.

Unfortunately, we in Pakistan are not taught any of this in our textbooks. Instead, we are fed lies. And once again, we — the citizens of Pakistan — are being lied to. Last year, the Pakistan Army chief General Kayani categorically denied that a military operation was taking place in Balochistan. He also denied that the army or its intelligence agencies were involved in the killings of the Baloch. If that is so, at whose behest is the FC — a paramilitary force — pursuing the 'kill and dump' policy in the province? Surely the army chief can rein in the FC if he so wishes.

The Baloch have been killed and maimed over the years without anyone so much as raising a voice in Pakistan. On February 20 this year, former ISI chief Lieutenant-General Hamid Gul acknowledged during a television talk show that Sardar Ataullah Mengal's son, Asad, was martyred in an interrogation centre during Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's era. In actual fact Asad and his friend Ahmed Shah Kurd were ambushed in their car near Muhammad Ali Housing Society in Karachi. Gunshots were heard, their blood was splattered all over the car, but their bodies were never found.

Some believe they were killed at the spot and their bodies taken away while others believe they were killed later in a detention centre by the military. Maybe we will never know what really happened to young Asad and his friend that day. Their families have suffered decades of torment just thinking about them. They have never had closure. They are not the only ones. The families of thousands of missing Baloch are still searching for their loved ones.
The resolution tabled in the US House of Representatives by Dana Rohrabacher says the Baloch people "have the right to self-determination and to their own sovereign country, and they should be afforded the opportunity to choose their own status". A lot of Pakistanis went into an outrage mode at this.
Instead of focusing on the plight of the Baloch and why they want freedom from Pakistan, our media and politicians made a big fuss over the issue of sovereignty and Balochistan being an 'internal matter'.

It was equally distressing to see the military's bullying tactics through an ISPR press release dated February 16, 2012, against Ali Dayan Hasan, Pakistan Director at Human Rights Watch (HRW). The press release was critical of HRW's statement released on January 30 on the Saleem Shahzad Judicial Commission Report but the ISPR's 'late reaction' can only be attributed to Mr Hasan's testimony to the US Congressional hearing on Balochistan. A smear campaign against Mr Hasan and HRW has been unleashed in the local media. How will threatening Mr Hasan or anybody else for that matter resolve the Balochistan issue?

Interior Minister Rehman Malik has offered to withdraw cases against Brahamdagh Bugti, Hyrbyair Marri and other Baloch leaders if they return to Pakistan. Mr Malik said he would personally welcome them back. But who is going to ensure the safety of Brahamdagh Bugti and Hyrbyair Marri once they are back? The government's offer, on the face of it, is good.

The problem is the government cannot save the Baloch leaders from the military.

Let's not forget what happened to the Baloch leader Nawab Nauroz Khan.

An oath taken on the Quran was violated by our military in his case.

(Nauroz agreed to surrender on May 15, 1959 in exchange for amnesty and settlement of the Baluchi grievances. Tikka Khan was said to have agreed to the terms of the surrender through an oath on the Quran. However, when Nauroz Khan came down from the hills, he and about 150 of his followers, including his sons and nephews, were arrested for armed rebellion against the state. On July 15, 1960 five of the leaders were executed by hanging in Hyderabad Jail. Nauroz was spared execution on account of his age, but died in Kohlu Jail in 1964).

The Baloch have been taken for a ride for the past six decades. They will not fall for such tricks again. If the government is really serious, it should ensure the release of all missing persons immediately, as has been suggested by Mian Nawaz Sharif. The military operation in Balochistan must also come to an end.

This is the least that we owe to the Baloch. Mere promises will not resolve anything.

The writer is Op-Ed Editor Daily Times.

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@Zarvin



How far is this correct?

Daily Times is one of the leading Pakistani newspaper.
 

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Nagraj, don't let your prejudice blind you.

Thanks for the welcome.

If you had watched the video, you will realize Zaid Hamid is not present anywhere.
His Holiness is present in every Pakistani heart and mind and even soul:wave::wave:
 

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Also, contrary to popular belief, Balochistan did actually accept to become part of Pakistan, they made a deal with Jinnah, but after Jinnah passed away, the next leaders did not live up to the promises made to the Baloch Nawabs.
Here, Nawabzada Hairbiyar Marri punched holes through Pakistani arguments and he talks about how Baolchistan (was it Kalat?) was occupied and how Pakistanis are treating Balochistanis. By the way, if you think he is no body, do remember that he has been interviewed by Najam Sethi who was then Daily Times editor.




 
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Daredevil,

Thanks.

Does speak volumes.
 

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