AH-64E Apache attack helicopter

[ezsasa]

would hellfire managed to overcome modern hard kill APS like afghanit though?

Donno mate, maybe others can answer...............

 

[Suryavanshi]

would hellfire managed to overcome modern hard kill APS like afghanit though?

Hellfire can do top attack so yes they are very hard to counter for APS.
Other than that APS has a very high error margin.
APS can't function properly in Mountains and Deep Jungles, u need an open area for APS to show its maximum efficiency.
Even with all that APS isn't perfected yet and their is high chance that it'll fail to counter incoming warhead.

But we don't need to worry about that right now. Our Immediate opponent Pakis don't have any such tech and even China hasn't been successfull in replicating it.

 

[south block]

Hellfire can do top attack so yes they are very hard to counter for APS.
Other than that APS has a very high error margin.
APS can't function properly in Mountains and Deep Jungles, u need an open area for APS to show its maximum efficiency.
Even with all that APS isn't perfected yet and their is high chance that it'll fail to counter incoming warhead.

But we don't need to worry about that right now. Our Immediate opponent Pakis don't have any such tech and even China hasn't been successfull in replicating it.

I doubt jungle or mountains are problem or even open area's & error Margins are no longer a problem for most hard kill APS.

That's Arena APS....see how close that interception was ---- Israeli trophy system was developed using espionage on same system & top attack can be countered by adjusting APS so no problem their either ---
New generation hard kill APS like afghanit can counter even NATO APFSDS kinetic rounds if Russky are to be believed forget missile like Hellfire & GL-5 domestic variant for Chinese military is rumoured to have protection against all ATGM curtsey Ukraine ----- pakis would be rejoicing though.

even Japanese are developing one for their MBT while they wait for Godzilla.

while DRDO is yet to come up with even a prototype which can counter simple RPG
Paki will surely go for Chinese hard kill APS after hellfire purchase or to counter other Indian ATGM threat ---- if they haven't done it already.

 

[asianobserve]

would hellfire managed to overcome modern hard kill APS like afghanit though?

Definitely. Hellfire can attack a target at vertical 90degree angle. Just look at these so called samurai Hellfore attacks:

APS systems are designed to counter land based ATGMs. The angles of attack of their hardkill casettes or projectiles reflect this fact. It's very hard to mount a hard kill casette or projectile on the roof facing upwsrds since hardkill APS using explosive or shaped projectiles and/or shrapnels to destroy incoming AT missiles. If you use that on top of a tank turret a lot of subsystems will damaged like comms or remotely opetated weapons systems or sensors.

Currently, softkill and smoke are used to protect turret roofs from aerial A2G AT top attack missiles.

Look at this T-14 animation:

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Definitely. Hellfire can attack a target at vertical 90degree angle. Just look at these so called samurai Hellfore attacks:

Land based atoms in top attack mode in the terminal stage approach at a 90 degree angle..

 

[asianobserve]

Land based atoms in top attack mode in the terminal stage approach at a 90 degree angle..

That one too like this Javelin test

 

[learn from failures]

Currently how many apaches are inducted in IAF? Last I heard we received only 4

 

[abhay rajput]

Wait till bill of material is released. It will contain list of all items being purchased as part of the deal including extra engines, weapons package, training & maintenance.

Me personally, I would like to see purchase of more hellfire. Just so that IA can do comparative trails with Helina, and so that we can know for a fact what the fuss is all about hellfire.

I believe every deal includes that . Basically Americans are just ripping us off. It's cost is 150 million dollars per plane which make it only 60-70 million dollars cheaper then Rafale..

 

[ezsasa]

I believe every deal includes that . Basically Americans are just ripping us off. It's cost is 150 million dollars per plane which make it only 60-70 million dollars cheaper then Rafale..

why blame the Americans, when the fault lies within. No other country has two nuclear armed neighbours who also happen to be adversaries, and yet we are dependant on outside purchases of defence equipment.

 

[Akula]

Currently how many apaches are inducted in IAF? Last I heard we received only 4

Right now IAF has received 12 Apache helicopters and rest 10 will be delivered by next year.

 

[abingdonboy]

I believe every deal includes that . Basically Americans are just ripping us off. It's cost is 150 million dollars per plane which make it only 60-70 million dollars cheaper then Rafale..

Americans put a gun to Indian leadership and made them sign these deals?


Same tactics made them launch hunts for global bids worth 10s if billions whilst they invest peanuts in indigenous projects.


Oh wait.

I blame the Russians for ripping off india but Americans are just fulfilling contractual obligations, no one asks Indian military to keep going after these gold plated foreign systems

 

[WolfPack86]

Apache attack helicopter.

 

[Wisemarko]

Boeing Says Bangladesh is Considering AH-64E Apache Attack Helicopters
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Boeing AH-64 Apache. Photo credit: Boeing
Boeing confirmed to reports that its AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopter was “down-selected” for a potential acquisition program with the Bangladeshi armed forces.

Terry Jamison, the director of international vertical lift sales at Boeing, stated that Bangladesh is actively considering the Apache on both cost and capability grounds (source: Jane’s Defence Weekly).

This statement follows an earlier news report from Nikkei Asian Review of Dhaka initiating formal talks with Washington for the Apache and a range of other armaments.

To start the process, Bangladesh agreed to sign two critical agreements with the US, the Acquisitions and Cross Servicing Agreement (ACSA) and the General Security of Military Information Agreement (GSOMIA).

It will take up to four years to negotiate and sign both agreements, though it is possible that preliminary negotiations for major defence equipment could occur concurrently.

It should be noted that the GSOMIA and ACSA serve an essential role in supporting US security interests in the Pacific Ocean. Thus, the importance of the US’ negotiations with Bangladesh on these fronts should not be underestimated, it could amount to significant procurements through the 2020s.

In regards to Bangladesh’s interest in the Apache Guardian. The Bangladeshi military evidently has a new attack helicopter requirement under its modernization plans. The capability would enable it to provide its ground forces with close air support (CAS) against armour and infantry threats.

However, it would be interesting to see if Bangladesh tries working with one main supplier, in this scenario Boeing, to fulfill multiple requirements. So, in addition to attack helicopters, might it look to Boeing for a new multi-role combat aircraft as well? It is worth noting that the Bangladesh Air Force’s (BAF) initial new fighter requirement (set under a tender in 2017) was for up to 12 twin-engine fighters.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian air force Apache attack helicopter.

 

[Floydian]

Boeing Says Bangladesh is Considering AH-64E Apache Attack Helicopters
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Boeing AH-64 Apache. Photo credit: Boeing
Boeing confirmed to reports that its AH-64E Apache Guardian attack helicopter was “down-selected” for a potential acquisition program with the Bangladeshi armed forces.

Terry Jamison, the director of international vertical lift sales at Boeing, stated that Bangladesh is actively considering the Apache on both cost and capability grounds (source: Jane’s Defence Weekly).

This statement follows an earlier news report from Nikkei Asian Review of Dhaka initiating formal talks with Washington for the Apache and a range of other armaments.

To start the process, Bangladesh agreed to sign two critical agreements with the US, the Acquisitions and Cross Servicing Agreement (ACSA) and the General Security of Military Information Agreement (GSOMIA).

It will take up to four years to negotiate and sign both agreements, though it is possible that preliminary negotiations for major defence equipment could occur concurrently.

It should be noted that the GSOMIA and ACSA serve an essential role in supporting US security interests in the Pacific Ocean. Thus, the importance of the US’ negotiations with Bangladesh on these fronts should not be underestimated, it could amount to significant procurements through the 2020s.

In regards to Bangladesh’s interest in the Apache Guardian. The Bangladeshi military evidently has a new attack helicopter requirement under its modernization plans. The capability would enable it to provide its ground forces with close air support (CAS) against armour and infantry threats.

However, it would be interesting to see if Bangladesh tries working with one main supplier, in this scenario Boeing, to fulfill multiple requirements. So, in addition to attack helicopters, might it look to Boeing for a new multi-role combat aircraft as well? It is worth noting that the Bangladesh Air Force’s (BAF) initial new fighter requirement (set under a tender in 2017) was for up to 12 twin-engine fighters.

I wonder why would BD need such high tech helos/ weapons and submarines, to defend from whom??

 

[ezsasa]

I wonder why would BD need such high tech helos/ weapons and submarines, to defend from whom??

To defend itself from being labelled as Chinese stooge, by Americans.

Bangladesh can’t expect Americans be quiet, after they bought Chinese subs.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian air force Apache attack helicopter.

 

[WolfPack86]

Deadly AH-64E Apache attack helicopters to be made in India
A joint venture with between Boeing and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd. (TASL) -- Tata Boeing Aerospace Limited (TBAL) established in 2016 has been manufacturing fuselages for the AH-64 Apache.

An order for six AH-64E Apache attack helicopters for the Indian Army which is expected to be placed this year will be made in India. The $ 930 million will be through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) and is in addition to the existing order of 22 machines for the Indian Air Force (IAF). While the approval of the Cabinet Committee for Security is awaited, according to one of the US aerospace ’s giant Boeing Company has already planned to make the critical parts of the attack helicopter here in India. Talking to Financial Express Online, Michael M Koch, Vice President, India, Defense, Space & Security, “Fuselage and most of the additional structures of the helicopter will all be made here locally.”


Indian companies involved in Apache Helicopters ::


A joint venture with between Boeing and Tata Advanced Systems Ltd. (TASL) — Tata Boeing Aerospace Limited (TBAL) established in 2016 has been manufacturing fuselages for the AH-64 Apache.

With 90 per cent parts sourced from Indian suppliers, this advanced facility is expected to become the sole producer of AH-64 fuselages globally.

Indian company Rossell Techsys which has been a long-standing supplier of Boeing since 2013 has been playing a critical role in supplying high-quality electrical panel for the AH-64 Apache. And has also been making wire harness for the helicopter.

“From the existing 160 industrial partners the number has gone up to 200 and still growing,” according to Koch.

Bengaluru based Dynamatic Technologies Ltd; one of the very first companies from the Indian private sector was approved by the Boeing Company to be a supplier. This company has played a critical role in the building of the fuselage for the helicopter.

By the year-end, as per the contract IAF is expected to induct all the 22 Apache Helicopters which are replacing the Russian MI25/35 gunships, which are gradually being phased out.

Last year in June, the US State Department had given its approval for an additional sale of the attack helicopters for the Indian Army and the Defence Security Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notified the US Congress about the value of the deal — $ 930 million.


Skill India & Make in India ::

“Company’s wholly owned engineering and technology campus with future avionics manufacturing and assembly capability is coming up near the third runway in Bengaluru. And, the focus is on not only creating a supply chain but also to create a world-class aerospace ecosystem in India,” said Koch.

“This one of the largest direct investments of the Boeing Company outside the US.”


Plans MRO for Military Aircraft in India ::

Responding to a question, Koch said that “Boeing is already providing MRO services for the commercial airlines in India. And we see that there is a similar opportunity in the military side.”

Recently, heavy check of the Long-Range Anti-submarine Warfare P8 I aircraft was done in India. “This was possible because of our local partnership and strategic interests.”

“We can bring the best of Boeing to India. As a company, we have a decade of research and technology presence in India. Boeing Research & Technology-India — a team of researchers, is our company’s advanced central research and development organization here in India.”

“This team has the best engineers, design engineers, researchers who are involved in not only India related programmes but also for future US programmes.”

Besides the joint venture with Tata, the US Company also has a tie-up with state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) which has been the long-term supplier in India for a quarter of a century. It also has a tie-up with Mahindra Defence Systems (MDS).

“We see these companies playing an essential role in various programmes,” he added.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...attack-helicopters-to-be-made-in-India-809070

 

[WolfPack86]

Update on deliveries of
@Boeing_In
helos to
@IAF_MCC
: 17 AH-64E Apaches delivered so far to Pathankot’s Gladiators squadron & 10 CH-47F Chinooks to Chandigarhs’s Featherweights helicopter flight. Boeing to bring F/A-18 Block III sim to #DefExpo2020.

 

[WolfPack86]

CONFIRMED: Indian Govt Clears $930-million Deal For 6 Apache Helicopters For Indian Army