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Apache helicopter ‘capable to take out’ 16 enemy’s tanks during sortie
https://defence-blog.com/army/apach...o-take-out-16-enemys-tanks-during-sortie.html


I would love to simulate this against our Tanks.

16 seems exaggerated but even if it takes out 4 or 5 than its a great force multiplier.


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This is in a scenario where all of its hell fire loads account for 1 kill each. Very unlikely. But it shows the amount of firepower and punch it could pack into one sortie.

Add its sensors along with it, its a force to fear out there.
 

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This is in a scenario where all of its hell fire loads account for 1 kill each. Very unlikely. But it shows the amount of firepower and punch it could pack into one sortie.

Add its sensors along with it, its a force to fear out there.
How many Hellfire AGM's has IAF ordered?
 

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This is in a scenario where all of its hell fire loads account for 1 kill each. Very unlikely. But it shows the amount of firepower and punch it could pack into one sortie.

Add its sensors along with it, its a force to fear out there.
Hellfire in Top Down Attack mode, Quarterbacked by a LongBow providing targeting cues COULD theoretically take out 16 tanks with 16 missiles.

Ofcourse the real World works different.
 

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Hellfire in Top Down Attack mode, Quarterbacked by a LongBow providing targeting cues COULD theoretically take out 16 tanks with 16 missiles.

Ofcourse the real World works different.
2 to 3 squadron could take out 100s of Paki tanks if this is true, Given there is no L2A counter to them.
 

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This could act as a counter


Well in Iraq Bolt Action rifles brought down Apaches. Like i said the Real World is different shit happens.


But again theoretically (and in a perfect world). The LongBow can sit behind a Sand dunes - cue targets from its radar and get other apaches also hidden from line of sight to fire their missiles on targets. The Anza Operator Team may never even see or hear an Apache before being hit by its missile salvo.

In open desert the Apache + hellfire + Longbow Combo should out range the Anza Manpad
 

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Well in Iraq Bolt Action rifles brought down Apaches. Like i said the Real World is different shit happens.


But again theoretically (and in a perfect world). The LongBow can sit behind a Sand dunes - cue targets from its radar and get other apaches also hidden from line of sight to fire their missiles on targets. The Anza Operator Team may never even see or hear an Apache before being hit by its missile salvo.

In open desert the Apache + hellfire + Longbow Combo should out range the Anza Manpad

Well, things must aleays be put into perspective. During the Desert Storm US Army Apaches destroyed 278 tanks, over 600 light and armored vehicles, over 100 pieces of artillery and a variety of other targets.
 

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Da fuck is that explain more
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Basically a system with UV sensors that detect an approaching manpad; working in conjunction with an emitter that directs pulses of infrared onto the IR seekerhead of the missile, confusing it and forcing it to veer of course and/or explode prematurely.
 

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Well, things must aleays be put into perspective. During the Desert Storm US Army Apaches destroyed 278 tanks, over 600 light and armored vehicles, over 100 pieces of artillery and a variety of other targets.
True - but GWI was the first successful demonstration of Combined Arms warfare. - SOF teams were ahead of the Apaches and A-10s and F-16s overhead with Armoured Cav riding Shotgun.

In the India Senario it will be a pretty right sized Force on Force Action with a very high density opfor. For the Americans the Apache would be the equivalent of bring bows and arrows to a sword fight. For India its bringing a Sword to a knife fight.

PS - OT

but the true awesomeness (for me) of the Apache (and its ability to take a hit and keep flying) was demonstrated in the Ambush during the Karabala raid in 2003.

Of the 31 Apaches only 2 were lost and 29 (all damaged) managed to limp back home.

The Raid also amply demonstrated the need for sound tactics given the obvious limitations of Rotary warfare in an urban cluster environment.

But most important lesson. Attack Helos without fixed wing Air Support IS going to result in attrition.
 

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For Reference - The Raid at Karabala

The 31 AH-64 Apaches of the 11th Aviation Group took off from Tactical Assembly Area Vicksburg, which was inside Objective Rams. One Apache crashed immediately after takeoff when its pilot became disoriented. When the Apaches turned north toward Karbala, signals intelligence picked up over 50 Iraqi cell phone calls alerting the Iraqi forward units of their approach. As the helicopters came within range, the Iraqis signaled their troops to open fire by turning off the city's power grid for several seconds. Ground troops then opened up with a barrage of PKM,NSV, 23mm, and 57mm fire.

Lieutenant Jason King, gunner of Apache "Palerider 16", was hit by AKM fire[8] in the neck and suffered a severe hemorrhage, but he never lost consciousness.[3] He was later evacuated to Germany for surgery, but returned to his unit a few weeks later.[8] The Apaches were reluctant to return fire as most enemy fire was coming from houses and the risk of collateral damage was high. The helicopters scattered in search of the Medina Division, but were hampered by poor intelligence.[citation needed]

Apache "Vampire 12", flown by Warrant Officers David S. Williams and Ronald D. Young Jr., was forced down into a marsh after gunfire severed its hydraulics. Its radio was also hit, preventing communication with the other helicopters. Attempting to flee the crash scene, both men swam down a canal, but were captured by armed civilians. The Iraqi government would later show the helicopter on TV and claim that it had been shot down by a farmer with a Brno rifle; however due to the high volume of anti-aircraft fire and the armor of the Apache, it is unlikely that a bolt-action rifle was responsible.[9]

The Apaches turned back for Tactical Assembly Area Vicksburg after a half-hour of combat. Most were without functioning navigation equipment. At least two narrowly avoided a mid-air collision.[3] Post-battle analysis indicated the American gunships were targeted in a deliberately planned ambush[10] with cannon fire, RPGs, and small-arms all emanating from camouflaged fire teams.

Of the 29 returning Apaches, all but one suffered serious damage. On average, each Apache had 15-20 bullet holes. One Apache took 29 hits. Sixteen main rotor blades, six tail blades, six engines, and five drive shafts were damaged beyond repair. In one squadron only a single helicopter was fit to fly. It took a month until the 11th Regiment was ready to fight again. The casualties sustained by the Apaches induced a change of tactics by placing significant restrictions on their use.[11] Attack helicopters would henceforth be used to reveal the location of enemy troops, allowing them to be destroyed by artillery and air strikes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_attack_on_Karbala



IMO - comletely OT but India needs to study the overall battle of Karbala in great detail and drill hard for it. Any future conflict to our west will see a similar senario. It took the 502 Inf Division and the 101 Airborne 2 days of clearing the city street by street and with the exception of the Apache Raid was text book Combined Arms in a MOUT environment.
 

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True - but GWI was the first successful demonstration of Combined Arms warfare. - SOF teams were ahead of the Apaches and A-10s and F-16s overhead with Armoured Cav riding Shotgun.

In the India Senario it will be a pretty right sized Force on Force Action with a very high density opfor. For the Americans the Apache would be the equivalent of bring bows and arrows to a sword fight. For India its bringing a Sword to a knife fight.

PS - OT

but the true awesomeness (for me) of the Apache (and its ability to take a hit and keep flying) was demonstrated in the Ambush during the Karabala raid in 2003.

Of the 31 Apaches only 2 were lost and 29 (all damaged) managed to limp back home.

The Raid also amply demonstrated the need for sound tactics given the obvious limitations of Rotary warfare in an urban cluster environment.

But most important lesson. Attack Helos without fixed wing Air Support IS going to result in attrition.

Apaches was the tip of the air combat force of the Allies in Gulf War. Apache fired the first shots against Iraqi radars that allowed Allied strike aircrafts to slip through.
 

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Apaches was the tip of the air combat force of the Allies in Gulf War. Apache fired the first shots against Iraqi radars that allowed Allied strike aircrafts to slip through.
If interested Read a book called Relentless Strike. throws a light on the depth of SOF activity before the Main Force even arrived in theater.
 

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If interested Read a book called Relentless Strike. throws a light on the depth of SOF activity before the Main Force even arrived in theater.
That's how Americans operste. But SOFs were mainly recon. They did not knock down Iraqi radars to open aircraft corridors. The credit still goes to Apache.
 

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