AH-64E Apache attack helicopter

[uoftotaku]

LCh doesnt have any radar to use long range standoff weapons unless data is passed off via datalink from other platforms,it has flir and laser designator as main targeting mediums and hms.Its a cheap,agile helo meant for mountain ops,not for tanks on plains as such.There is


LCH doesnt have a radar,only laser designator,camera and flir with integrated hms.The magic of the apache is in the longbow radar,and once you are datalinked with it you can see what it can see.

Don't necessarily need a radar for launching an NLOS type missile. The Spike-NLOS for eg is EO/Laser seeker with Man-in-Loop datalink so it can be launched without any radar.

The advantage of radar of course would be ability to conduct Fire & Forget as well as engage multiple targets simultaneously, but its not necessary for the launch platform to be carrying the radar. For eg the LCH could leverage the Longbow radar from the Apache or even from airborne drones or ISTAR platform and use Co-operative Engagement datalink to fire SANT.

 

[Anikastha]

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[asianobserve]

That being said how you going to achieve OTH targeting ???

You mean how Apache fire missiles over a hill? Well one goes up just enough to let its mast mounted Long Bow radar scan the area behind to detect targets and get firing solutions. Then that same Apache either goes back down to hide behind the hill before it fires its missile or even while it's up scanning, it can relay its target data to other Apaches hiding behind the hill so that the latter can fire the missiles at the targets over the hill.

 

[cyclops]

Apache Maiden Flight. ....... ..............................

 

[rkhanna]

You mean how Apache fire missiles over a hill? Well one goes up just enough to let its mast mounted Long Bow radar scan the area behind to detect targets and get firing solutions. Then that same Apache either goes back down to hide behind the hill before it fires its missile or even while it's up scanning, it can relay its target data to other Apaches hiding behind the hill so that the latter can fire the missiles at the targets over the hill.

No I mean 32kms out. That OTH targeting. The Apache survivability lies in it's ability to hide in ground clutter so it's not going to gain altitude to take a 30klick shot to come within SAM range.

So the shot has to be cued by other ISR or laser designation by another platform. Will be hard to pull off in a contested airspace

 

[Immanuel]

Would be great if we could eventually integrate the Helina and Sant missiles on the Apache. Also since these Block 3s have good maritime hardening, would be lovely to have around 36 for IN as well. 3 each could be deployed from the upcoming LPDs (12 in total), INS Vikky (3) and IAC-1(3) and another 18 dedicated to Marcos. It would act as a good protection against the carrier against small, high speed surface threats. They would also be useful in over the beach ops.

Or even 36 LCH would do.

 

[uoftotaku]

Would be great if we could eventually integrate the Helina and Sant missiles on the Apache. Also since these Block 3s have good maritime hardening, would be lovely to have around 36 for IN as well. 3 each could be deployed from the upcoming LPDs (12 in total), INS Vikky (3) and IAC-1(3) and another 18 dedicated to Marcos. It would act as a good protection against the carrier against small, high speed surface threats. They would also be useful in over the beach ops.

Or even 36 LCH would do.

For maritime deployment they would need at least folding rotor for deck ops (especially from an LPD) which for now only the UK's WAH-64's have. Ours have not been ordered with such so its quite a waste to try to squeeze them onto deck.

Better we adapt the LCH for this role

 

[Filtercoffee]

Indian defence needs some 80 + Apaches spread out between the Indian coast guard and the Indian tri-services, working with the LCH.

 

[WolfPack86]

Outside their hangars at Pathankot.

 

[WolfPack86]

Seen here for the first time at Pathankot, the IAF’s first @Boeing_In AH-64E Apaches are all set for induction into the 125 HU ‘Gladiators’.

 

[WolfPack86]

Sharing photos of IAF AH-64E snapped by various journalists This one by @zone5aviation

 

[Akula]

Imagine Jihadi's trying to enter LOC and than comes Apache and fires its 30mm gun.

 

[Immanuel]

For maritime deployment they would need at least folding rotor for deck ops (especially from an LPD) which for now only the UK's WAH-64's have. Ours have not been ordered with such so its quite a waste to try to squeeze them onto deck.

Better we adapt the LCH for this role

Heck I don't even mind a Navalized variant of the Rudra which is good enough for such roles.

 

[hit&run]

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[rkhanna]

Imagine Jihadi's trying to enter LOC and than comes Apache and fires its 30mm gun.

ROE do not allow for aviation assets close to the LOC o think there is like a 10km no fly zone or something.

And the Apache is not a covert bird. It will be loud and ungaily in high altitude. Such kind of ambushing will be better for the LCH

 

[Deathstar]

ROE do not allow for aviation assets close to the LOC o think there is like a 10km no fly zone or something.

And the Apache is not a covert bird. It will be loud and ungaily in high altitude. Such kind of ambushing will be better for the LCH

But porkies have changed ROE when they fired from inside their own land

 

[abingdonboy]

Would be great if we could eventually integrate the Helina and Sant missiles on the Apache. Also since these Block 3s have good maritime hardening, would be lovely to have around 36 for IN as well. 3 each could be deployed from the upcoming LPDs (12 in total), INS Vikky (3) and IAC-1(3) and another 18 dedicated to Marcos. It would act as a good protection against the carrier against small, high speed surface threats. They would also be useful in over the beach ops.

Or even 36 LCH would do.

For such roles the Rudra makes far more sense.

And you don’t deploy attack/assault helicopters from aircraft carriers.

Until India has a formal maritime strike force along the lines of USMC, no such assets are needed. LHDs should be put on the back burner until such a force is raised. This ad-hoc relationship with a poorly equipped IA brigade doesn’t work.

 

[rkhanna]

But porkies have changed ROE when they fired from inside their own land

Not withstanding the LOC is a death trap for helos. We are not fighting the Taliban but a very well trained and equiped army. MANPADS liter the LoC. Those valleys are funnel traps with little room for evasive manouvers .

Attack helos only work if they are working as an offensive strike package with element of surprise on their side. Not interdicting jihadis . For that we need predator class drones and good old 155

And last . The mountains are LCH hunting grounds not Apache

 

[nongaddarliberal]

Indian army ordered total 39 Apaches attack helicopter.

They haven't been given the go ahead for 39. They're only getting 6 as of now.

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian air force Apache attack helicopter.