Agni V Missile

[mayfair]

The single most grievance China has over India is Tibet government in exile.

Keep believing that rubbish but stop peddling it as a fact.

So India irritated China for no reason and Chinese were perfectly justified in invading and occupying Tibet?

 

[Kshithij]

Keep believing that rubbish but stop peddling it as a fact.

So India irritated China for no reason and Chinese were perfectly justified in invading and occupying Tibet?

Tibet has some Chinese people too. Also, Tibet is a land locked country that does not have the capability to exist independently.

 

[indus]

Tibet has some Chinese people too. Also, Tibet is a land locked country that does not have the capability to exist independently.

But Mongolia, Nepal, Bhutan and many other land locked countries do exist independantly

 

[mayfair]

Tibet has some Chinese people too. Also, Tibet is a land locked country that does not have the capability to exist independently.

Non-sequitor. That does not justify being taken over, subjugated and colonised by a foreign power.

Well India has some Chinese people too, so does it justify being attacked and take over by PRC?

There are many landlocked countries around the world- Switzerland, Nepal, Mongolia, Central Asian and Central African republics, Paraguay, Bolivia. Does it mean that they all should be subjugated by neighbours?

Tibet existed as an independent nation for over 2 millenia and who made you an authority on determining whether a country has or does not have the ability to exist independently?

 

[Kshithij]

Non-sequitor. That does not justify being taken over, subjugated and colonised by a foreign power.

Well India has some Chinese people too, so does it justify being attacked and take over by PRC?

There are many landlocked countries around the world- Switzerland, Nepal, Mongolia, Central Asian and Central African republics, Paraguay, Bolivia. Does it mean that they all should be subjugated by neighbours?

Tibet existed as an independent nation for over 2 millenia and who made you an authority on determining whether a country has or does not have the ability to exist independently?

Tibet did not exist as independent state for 2 milennia. Genghis Khan had conquered tibet and history before that is filled with Chinese moving about Tibet. Tibet has always been a state with close ties to mainland China. Tibet is geographically close to China and there are no barriers.

Geographical barriers determine the boundaries, not whims and fancies of people. The lack of geographical barriers between Tibet and China and similarity in culture of Tibetans with Chinese is a good reason to say Tibet can't be independent territory. State is an institution of civilisation. Tibet civilisation does not exist on its own but exists in relation to China with infusion of Buddhism from missionaries travelling via central asia.

India had no business in Tibet and must not have intervened. Tibet lies completely outside Himalayas and is not accessible to India. Countries like Nepal exist as separate countries because India is a failed state which was not created but just left as leftovers after seceding Pakistan. India was filled with deranged people who existed like animals and were indifferent to everything.

 

[Chinmoy]

Tibet did not exist as independent state for 2 milennia. Genghis Khan had conquered tibet and history before that is filled with Chinese moving about Tibet. Tibet has always been a state with close ties to mainland China. Tibet is geographically close to China and there are no barriers.

Geographical barriers determine the boundaries, not whims and fancies of people. The lack of geographical barriers between Tibet and China and similarity in culture of Tibetans with Chinese is a good reason to say Tibet can't be independent territory. State is an institution of civilisation. Tibet civilisation does not exist on its own but exists in relation to China with infusion of Buddhism from missionaries travelling via central asia.

India had no business in Tibet and must not have intervened. Tibet lies completely outside Himalayas and is not accessible to India. Countries like Nepal exist as separate countries because India is a failed state which was not created but just left as leftovers after seceding Pakistan. India was filled with deranged people who existed like animals and were indifferent to everything.

First of all stop bringing politics in irrelevant threads. Want to discuss it, there is Chit Chat thread.

Anyway, going by your logic, none of the sates should have existed in India too. And by your logic, Tibet and whole of NE India should have been a part of Mongolia.

 

[indus]

Yep. Most of the threads are running derailed. Either Mods @Dovah or @Razor are sleepy or we need more threads.

 

[lcafanboy]

India was filled with deranged people who existed like animals

And one of this deranged ANIMAL who survived was our DFI comemember @Kshithij. We all lovingly call this animal as SHITJI.....

 

[mayfair]

I'll respond to @Kshitij nonsensical rambles elsewhere at a later time.

All I can say is either he's a sophisticated troll par excellence or if he truly believes this bullshit, then I can only shake my head.

 

[charlie]

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[G10]

Guys derailing threads should be banned.

 

[sayareakd]

First of all, why will China attack a big country like India? The single most grievance China has over India is Tibet government in exile. India did not just host Dalai lama as a spiritual person but as legitimate Tibet ruler. So, unlike what media propaganda says, it is India that started to irritate China for no reason (or under USA pressure as Nehru was an agent of UK).

20-30 nukes serve very little purpose. The most important aspect of nuclear strike is not the number of casualty but the economic impact. So, if a country is ready to take hits (if it is not ready, it would not be fighting), the 20-30 nukes serves no purpose.

if 20-30 nukes go up in PRC, their dream of number one will be over, it is as simple as that. Ofcourse they will retaliate, that's different question.

 

[Kshithij]

if 20-30 nukes go up in PRC, their dream of number one will be over, it is as simple as that. Ofcourse they will retaliate, that's different question.

Agni-5 is to be seen in the context of hostile crazies across Arabian sea and middle east rather than as attack on China. The crazies there exist only to burn everything down and are mostly suicidal in nature. It is these type of people with whom one has to deal with iron hand, without fear of losses and casualties.

Many people falsely believe that Agni5 is intended against China. Reality is that any part of China is within range of 3500km from India and all populated regions (excludes Manchuria which is a cold desert bordering Siberia) is within 3000km from India. The Agni 3 missile itself is enough for this.

Agni-5 is just the capability development against the crazies and also a message to other countries about Indian capability. Agni-5 can also be used as a satellite killer for LEO satellites

 

[LETHALFORCE]

I totally disagree that Agni 5 is for the crazies . It is a China specific missile .


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[Amrk]

Rajya Sabha Tv discussion on Agni 5. Lots of interesting information. I had thought of mentioning few important points, but I won't as it is just a 30 min video and everyone should at least go through it once.

Just one interesting tidbit : people have discussed and argued about the range many times, at 14:28 Lt. Gen Saxena. ex DG Army Air Def. and also associated with the team developing earlier iterations of Agni openly says that Agni's range is 8000 kms and it remains to be tested. For me the puzzle of Agni's range of mere 5000 kms given its size and weight is solved today.

 

[sayareakd]

Rajya Sabha Tv discussion on Agni 5. Lots of interesting information. I had thought of mentioning few important points, but I won't as it is just a 30 min video and everyone should at least go through it once.

Just one interesting tidbit : people have discussed and argued about the range many times, at 14:28 Lt. Gen Saxena. ex DG Army Air Def. and also associated with the team developing earlier iterations of Agni openly says that Agni's range is 8000 kms and it remains to be tested. For me the puzzle of Agni's range of mere 5000 kms given its size and weight is solved today.

Most important was fact that A2p will be MIRV along with A5( now called A6).

 

[no smoking]

Many people falsely believe that Agni5 is intended against China. Reality is that any part of China is within range of 3500km from India and all populated regions (excludes Manchuria which is a cold desert bordering Siberia) is within 3000km from India. The Agni 3 missile itself is enough for this.

Agni5 is intended against China, there is no doubt about it.
Agni-3 can target Beijing and Shanghai when it is deployed very close to Sino-India border, where it maybe vulnerable to air strike.

Agni-5 is just the capability development against the crazies and also a message to other countries about Indian capability.

Agni-5 is a overkill for any India's neighbor except China.

Agni-5 can also be used as a satellite killer for LEO satellites

Agni-5 is too slow and too heavy for that job.

 

[Kshithij]

Agni-5 is too slow and too heavy for that job.

Actually, Agni-5 has 3 stages and is the perfect missile for satellite killer job in the LEO. It can reach altitudes of over 1000km and strike almost all of the LEO satellites. GEO satellites are very difficult to kill, however.

Agni-5 has terminal speed of over 7km/s and weighs 50 tons, which is enough to carry a large warhead to ensure guaranteed destruction of enemy satellites. 3 stage missiles are the ones to do the satellite killer job as the heavy stages need to be dropped for better efficiency and increased altitude.

 

[cannonfodder]

@sayareakd sir, is it true, that porkis may have got mirv tech (from dragon) as claimed in this video?

 

[lcafanboy]

@sayareakd sir, is it true, that porkis may have got mirv tech (from dragon) as claimed in this video?

What they may have got is MARV which is different from MIRV. In MARV 2 or 3 warheads are used for single target without any independent terminal guidance while mirv have independent guidance and propulsion so can hit cities that are 1000s of KMS apart...