Afghan and Pakistani border guards clash in Torkham

[Srinivas_K]

How and in what cindition did the US leave Afghanistan? How did US treat us when their objectives were met and the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan?

They left Afghanistan and you continued your support to Taliban instead of handing over the territory to Afghan people.

 

[Neo]

After USA left Afghanistan you continued to support the Haqqani network and supported their brutal rule.

Please watch this video:

 

[Kshatriya87]

How and in what cindition did the US leave Afghanistan? How did US treat us when their objectives were met and the Soviets were defeated in Afghanistan?

Doesn't matter. You should have left too instead of playing around. That caused most of the misery for pakistan.

 

[Srinivas_K]

Please watch this video:

Yes I have also mentioned the US. But with out the support of Pakistan and its "strategic depth" doctrine it is difficult for US to make the "heart of Asia" a nightmare to the surrounding countries.

Typical Pakistani attitude which points the fingers at others for their own mistakes.

 

[SANITY]

from our pov India is a big irriant indeed and needs to be controlled. We're convinced that India is using Afghanistan as a proxy against us. Even US defense sec. Chuck Hagel mentioned that.

Remind me again please, what's the theory in Pakistan at the moment for India's intention to destabilize Pakistan or sponsor terrorism. Is it still the same old Muslims-Hindu/infidels can't live together, birth enemy etc etc?

And what was/is Pakistan's approach to handle India's mischievous intentions? Does Pakistan wants to engage India diplomatically bilaterally or Internationally to solve issues? Has/does it supported/support the idea of using militants to achieve it's objectives/interests in dealing with India?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

After USA left Afghanistan you continued to support the Haqqani network and supported their brutal rule.

Not only that, they also asked Gulbuddin hikmatyar to bomb kabul and they bombed Kabul heavily and destroyed the whole city.

 

[hit&run]

Pakistanis have very effectively oiled Propaganda machinery. They even beat India when it comes to lying with straight faces on every ceasefire violation they do at LOC and IB with India.

Wonder what Afghans will do to tell their side of the story.

I was ticking usual boilerplate tag words they use every time they insult sanctity of neighboring borders.

They started it.

They targeted our civilians.

We only responded back.

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On Topic. This is not the first time such incidents have happened. It looks like Pakistanis are fortifying their posts in disputed areas without Afghan consent and then are using those fortification to target Afghan forces. It is SOP to inform other side when either side improve infrastructure that can have military implication or use.

 

[sob]

Have been watching discussions on various Pakistan TV shows and the unanimous view is to improve ties with the Afghans, but with with border incidents like this, it will be very difficult to build a friendship and trust.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Have been watching discussions on various Pakistan TV shows and the unanimous view is to improve ties with the Afghans, but with with border incidents like this, it will be very difficult to build a friendship and trust.

The view is mostly civilian opinion. Unfortunately, PA does not share this opinion. They are just not interested in a stable and strong state as a neighbor. Be it Afghanistan or India.

 

[Neo]

Have been watching discussions on various Pakistan TV shows and the unanimous view is to improve ties with the Afghans, but with with border incidents like this, it will be very difficult to build a friendship and trust.

Building a friendship and trust impossible if the US keeps sabotaging the efforts. Everytime we're close to somethings, they kill a key figure of them. We saw that after the Murree summit and then again in Balochistan.

I believe the US is not interested in a peace process in Afghanistan. They need to stay there for another decade, maybe longer. After all the US always needs a war to feed its defence industry.

 

[sob]

Building a friendship and trust impossible if the US keeps sabotaging the efforts. Everytime we're close to somethings, they kill a key figure of them. We saw that after the Murree summit and then again in Balochistan.

I believe the US is not interested in a peace process in Afghanistan. They need to stay there for another decade, maybe longer. After all the US always needs a war to feed its defence industry.

But the US is killing Taliban figures, I am sure they are not part of the official Pakistani team which is interacting with the Afghans.

I understand that Pakistan would like the Taliban to be a part of their solution, but the problem is that with so many divisions and groups, you are seen to be pushing for just one faction.

 

[sob]

Doesn't matter. You should have left too instead of playing around. That caused most of the misery for pakistan.

I agree, this was a miscalculation on the Pakistani leadership at that time.

 

[Neo]

But the US is killing Taliban figures, I am sure they are not part of the official Pakistani team which is interacting with the Afghans.

I understand that Pakistan would like the Taliban to be a part of their solution, but the problem is that with so many divisions and groups, you are seen to be pushing for just one faction.

Taliban can not be ignored, even the US maintain direct dialogue with them thru their office in Doha. Earlier this year both Kabul and Washington sought our help to bring Taliban to the negotiations. What is there to negotiate if you keep killing their leadership?

 

[Neo]

I agree, this was a miscalculation on the Pakistani leadership at that time.

What would have become of Afghanistan if we left it in 1989?
Your thoughts please.

 

[Neo]

Afghan forces fire at Torkham again
By Ashrafuddin Pirzada
June 14, 2016

Two girls among 13 injured; Afghan diplomat summoned to FO to lodge strong protest

LANDIKOTAL: Afghan forces again fired at Pakistani positions at Torkham on Monday when the Pakistanis restarted work on the construction and re-installation of the border gate, sources said.

The Afghans reportedly used mortars to target the Bacha Maina village close to the Pak-Afghan border. However, no casualty was reported.The reinforced Pakistani forces at the border returned fire. The Pakistan Army had earlier sent reinforcements to Torkham backed by tanks and other heavy weapons to deter the Afghan authorities from attacking Pakistan’s border installations. The soldiers were in the lead as they took positions on the border while the paramilitary forces and the Khassadars were holding the second line of defence.

Two girls, a Frontier Corps soldier and some Khassadars were among the 13 Pakistanis who were earlier injured in late Sunday firing by the Afghan forces on the Pakistani security personnel when they were installing a gate at the Torkham border crossing, sources said.

A senior Pakistani official, on condition of anonymity, told The News that the incident took place when Pakistan’s border forces were busy in reinstalling the Torkham border gate that had been removed in 2004 when the Pakistan-funded Torkham-Jalalabad Road was being built.

He said Afghan border officials reacted angrily and exchanged harsh words with the Pakistanis who were busy putting up the steel gate. The Afghan government doesn't recognise the Durand Line as an international border and skirmishes have broken out at Torkham in the past as well whenever Pakistan took steps to strengthen border management. Recently, the Afghan soldiers cocked their guns while threatening Pakistanis doing fencing work inside Pakistani territory at Torkham and Pakistan reacted by closing the border for nearly four days.

The sources said the personnel of the Afghanistan National Army (ANA) and Afghan border police took positions and resorted to unprovoked firing at Pakistani installations Sunday night. They added that various positions near Torkham inside Pakistan and the border village of Bacha Maina were targeted with light and heavy guns.

The sources said the Frontier Crops, Khyber Levies and Khassadar force personnel retaliated to repulse the attack by the Afghan forces. They also targeted the Afghan checkposts and offices on the Afghan side of the Torkham border.

At least 13 persons, including two girls, a Frontier Corps soldier and two Khassadars received bullet injuries. They were rushed to the Agency Headquarters Hospital in Landikotal. Seven of the injured persons were later shifted to hospitals in Peshawar, the hospital sources said.

Those wounded were identified as Khassadar Sepoy Fazal and Sepoy Sartaj, nine-year old Aleena Bibi, eight-year old Nargis Bibi, Majid Khan, Noor Said, Etibar Gul, Hazrat Nabi, Wali Khan, Johar Ali, Shoaib and Shams. The name of the injured Frontier Corps soldier could not be ascertained.

The firing at the border began at 10:00pm Sunday night and continued till Monday morning. An Afghan soldier was reportedly killed in the exchange of fire while five other soldiers injured, sources said.

The political administration imposed curfew in Landikotal subdivision to prevent any untoward incident. The Landikotal and Torkham bazaars remained closed on Monday. Residents in Landikotal were asked to remain at home to avoid harm. Around 2,000 Pakistani families were evacuated from the Bacha Maina village sited at the border with Afghanistan.

Sources at the Afghan side of the border told this scribe that the Afghan Customs House building, Afghan Commissioner Office and several shops caught fire after being hit by heavy guns fired from the Pakistan side.

Emergency had been declared at the Agency headquarters Hospital and the Combined Military Hospital in Landikotal. Extra contingents of paramilitary troops were deployed at various border localities to repulse any attack from the Afghanistan side, sources added. A large number of Frontier Corps contingents backed by tanks and heavy guns were also moved to take positions alongside the Torkham border, sources said.

The Torkham border remained closed on Monday. More than 2,000 heavy trucks loaded with fresh fruit, vegetables, construction material and other export goods were sent back to Peshawar from Torkham due to closure of the border.

All the roads leading towards Torkham were blocked and paramilitary forces were seen patrolling the road between Landikotal and Torkham. Meanwhile, Pakistan lodged a strong protest with Afghanistan over the unprovoked firing by the Afghan forces at Pakistani forces at the Torkham border crossing.

A statement from the Foreign Office said the Afghan Charge d Affaires was called to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and asked that the incident be thoroughly investigated and the findings be shared with Pakistani authorities. It was further emphasised that all steps should be taken for avoiding recurrence of such incidents in future, the statement said.

The Afghan Charge d Affaires was told that the firing incident was contrary to the spirit of friendly relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Foreign Office said the firing was aimed at disrupting the construction of a gate well inside Pakistani territory at the border designed to facilitate cross border movement of people and vehicles.

It was conveyed to the Afghan side that the regulation of movement at Torkham was part of government’s policy to strengthen border management. The Foreign Office said the Afghan government’s cooperation was needed to enhance mutual security and help combat the threat of terrorism.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/127757-Afghan-forces-fire-at-Torkham-again

 

[Rushil51]

Few days back

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1115895/border-crossings-torkham-set-become-major-bone-contention/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36438575

 

[raja696]

from our pov India is a big irriant indeed and needs to be controlled. We're convinced that India is using Afghanistan as a proxy against us. Even US defense sec. Chuck Hagel mentioned that.

Chuck Havel said India supported in financial help like the one in building India Afganistan friendship dam... Ie called soft power. How can you be delusional attributing it to sponsoring of terror lol

 

[Neo]

Remind me again please, what's the theory in Pakistan at the moment for India's intention to destabilize Pakistan or sponsor terrorism. Is it still the same old Muslims-Hindu/infidels can't live together, birth enemy etc etc?

And what was/is Pakistan's approach to handle India's mischievous intentions? Does Pakistan wants to engage India diplomatically bilaterally or Internationally to solve issues? Has/does it supported/support the idea of using militants to achieve it's objectives/interests in dealing with India?

India is involved in Pakistan, she is fuelling insurgencies and training TTP terrorists in Afghanistan. I don't believe there can be peace between the two arch rivals. At best we can try to maintain the current status quo.

Kashmir is the key to lasting peace in the region and India is not willing to solve it. End of story.

 

[Srinivas_K]

India is involved in Pakistan, she is fuelling insurgencies and training TTP terrorists in Afghanistan. I don't believe there can be peace between the two arch rivals. At best we can try to maintain the current status quo.

Kashmir is the key to lasting peace in the region and India is not willing to solve it. End of story.

Why would you leave Dar-ul-harb like that?

the dubious nature of Pakistan is well known!

 

[bhramos]

A man waves at the passing tank carrier, the brunt of the battle was taken by the civilian population, 200 homesteads had to move away to avoid being in range of Afghan Army artillery positions