ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Flying Dagger]

He is mostly talking about the current F35 cockpit displays with the Lca mk2 in 2030s.....

It's ok He is doing what is needed to keep Tejas project alive which import lobby is trying to kill.

We shouldn't look too much in such statements I mean have you seen the claims by mig corp or Saab abt Gripen ?

Gripen holds black belt when it comes to taking down Sukhoi 30/35.

Mig 35 is raptor killer.


Yup.... Enjoy such tweets.

 

[Steven Rogers]

It's ok He is doing what is needed to keep Tejas project alive which import lobby is trying to kill.

We shouldn't look too much in such statements I mean have you seen the claims by mig corp or Saab abt Gripen ?

Gripen holds black belt when it comes to taking down Sukhoi 30/35.

Mig 35 is raptor killer.


Yup.... Enjoy such tweets.

He is only saying what they are doing,senor fusion was visioned way back in 2010s for tejas mk2 ,now what people are talking about is AI which i guess they may excel since the given growth in such short time. Gripen claims have no limit,they were knocking off an FGFA with their sensor fusiom engine technology in a one vs all scenario.

 

[Flying Dagger]

More of a hybrid MAWS which forms 3d envelope around with limited capability at current,LM will upgarde those in future blocks probably with the Raytheon sensors...

From Wiki on DAS.

The AN/AAQ-37 Electro-optical Distributed Aperture System (DAS) is the first of a new generation of sensor systems being fielded on the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. DAS consists of six high-resolution infrared sensors mounted around the F-35's airframe in such a way as to provide unobstructed spherical (4π steradian) coverage and functions around the aircraft without any pilot input or aiming required.[1]

The DAS provides three basic categories of functions in every direction simultaneously:[2]

• Missile detection and tracking (including launch point detection and countermeasure cueing)[3]
• Aircraft detection and tracking (situational awareness IRST and air-to-air weapons cueing)
• Imagery for cockpit displays and pilot night vision (imagery displayed onto the helmet mounted display)

The F-35's DAS was flown in military operational exercises in 2011,[4] has demonstrated the ability to detect and track ballistic missiles to ranges exceeding 800 miles (1,300 km),[5] and has also demonstrated the ability to detect and track multiple small suborbital rockets simultaneously in flight.[6] The AN/AAQ-37 DAS is designed and produced by Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems. The current sensors used in the system may have insufficient night acuity for pilots used to flying with night vision goggles (NVG), and are therefore augmented by an embedded NVG camera in the helmet.[7] A DAS test system has also been used to track tank gun firing, but this is "not an F-35 requirement".[8

 

[Flying Dagger]

He is only saying what they are doing,senor fusion was visioned way back in 2010s for tejas mk2 ,now what people are talking about is AI which i guess they may excel since the given growth in such short time. Gripen claims have no limit,they were knocking off an FGFA with their sensor fusiom engine technology in a one vs all scenario.

They are super stealthy too due to their jamming capabilities

One of their fighter was teased by typhoon fighter. He got frustrated and then typhoon pilots saw Gripen right there on its left wing for a moment before Gripen disappeared again.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Buying Gripen will mean the end of LCA Tejas MKII since the designs are so similar. Prudence thus advices us to continue with MKII and AMCA.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Buying Gripen will mean the end of LCA Tejas MKII since the designs are so similar. Prudence thus advices us to continue with MKII and AMCA.

Prudence never existed in our defence order else we would have bought something 2 decade earlier and wouldn't be in the mess we are today.

Gripen wouldn't end Tejas either it's just now doesn't make much sense to go for it. We should simply go for couple more Rafale . Use the offset for engine and look into its development. If tejas mk2 doesn't looks promising and went to mk1 route go for some Rafales and induct AMCA asap even if it turned out to be 4.5th gen . It doesn't matter.

Let the IN have a last say if they too want Rafale then assembly here in India and if they want F 18 then get some for IAF too.

We always have Russian offer plus french next gen on our side if things turn too bad.

There is nothing much one can do now.

 

[itsme]

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Prudence never existed in our defence order else we would have bought something 2 decade earlier and wouldn't be in the mess we are today.

Gripen wouldn't end Tejas either it's just now doesn't make much sense to go for it. We should simply go for couple more Rafale . Use the offset for engine and look into its development. If tejas mk2 doesn't looks promising and went to mk1 route go for some Rafales and induct AMCA asap even if it turned out to be 4.5th gen . It doesn't matter.

Let the IN have a last say if they too want Rafale then assembly here in India and if they want F 18 then get some for IAF too.

We always have Russian offer plus french next gen on our side if things turn too bad.

There is nothing much one can do now.

The IAF required a potent SE aircraft hence, we need the MWF or Gripen/F21 together with Rafales.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Th


The IAF required a potent SE aircraft hence, we need the MWF or Gripen/F21 together with Rafales.

Nope Nope Nope

Tejas is enough for the role. We are buying old Mig 29 too remember?

2 squadrons might be created they have 34 frames.

This gives us some more time to wait for Tejas mk2

And IN selection will have a big say on what's coming

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

He is mostly talking about the current F35 cockpit displays with the Lca mk2 in 2030s.....

You cant jump directly into the latest tech even if something is from 2010's in 2030's. One company cannot develop 8k tv from scratch. Needs hell lot of time and money. I just feel its virtually impossible to jump to F35 sensor level by just saying we will develop in 2030. Most of the development has to be linear, gen after gen. Jumping can take place but with lots of money and time, which sadly the budget of Mk2 or AMCA doesnt have.

 

[Steven Rogers]

You cant jump directly into the latest tech even if something is from 2010's in 2030's. One company cannot develop 8k tv from scratch. Needs hell lot of time and money. I just feel its virtually impossible to jump to F35 sensor level by just saying we will develop in 2030. Most of the development has to be linear, gen after gen. Jumping can take place but with lots of money and time, which sadly the budget of Mk2 or AMCA doesnt have.

i guess you jumped to early on the conclusion,kindly read the second tweet...

 

[vampyrbladez]

Prudence never existed in our defence order else we would have bought something 2 decade earlier and wouldn't be in the mess we are today.

Gripen wouldn't end Tejas either it's just now doesn't make much sense to go for it. We should simply go for couple more Rafale . Use the offset for engine and look into its development. If tejas mk2 doesn't looks promising and went to mk1 route go for some Rafales and induct AMCA asap even if it turned out to be 4.5th gen . It doesn't matter.

Let the IN have a last say if they too want Rafale then assembly here in India and if they want F 18 then get some for IAF too.

We always have Russian offer plus french next gen on our side if things turn too bad.

There is nothing much one can do now.

This is Gripen NG

This is Tejas MK II

Both aircraft have/may have a foreign radar with the Gripen having an ES 05 AESA and the MK 2 having either the ELTA 2052 or the UTTAM AESA radar.

Both aircraft also use the GE F414 engine rated at 98KN.

Both aircraft have the same weight and design profiles including canards, delta wing and single engine.

If you pick one, the other becomes automatically redundant.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Nope Nope Nope

Tejas is enough for the role. We are buying old Mig 29 too remember?

2 squadrons might be created they have 34 frames.

This gives us some more time to wait for Tejas mk2

And IN selection will have a big say on what's coming

IN's selection will revolve around carrier roles and production time due to which F 18SH is ahead. However US is politically unreliable.

IAF and GoI has spent massive amounts trying to customize the Rafale. Thus it is the natural choice for the MMRCA contract. There is also some understanding that 36 more may be ordered early next year.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

This is Gripen NG

This is Tejas MK II

Both aircraft have/may have a foreign radar with the Gripen having an ES 05 AESA and the MK 2 having either the ELTA 2052 or the UTTAM AESA radar.

Both aircraft also use the GE F414 engine rated at 98KN.

Both aircraft have the same weight and design profiles including canards, delta wing and single engine.

If you pick one, the other becomes automatically redundant.

Tejas mk2 will have GE 414EPE engine.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Tejas mk2 will have GE 414EPE engine.

That's the same thing. A 98KN class engine.

 

[Akula]

That's the same thing. A 98KN class engine.

A comparison between Gripen E and Tejas mk2.

 

[Flying Dagger]

This is Gripen NG

This is Tejas MK II

Both aircraft have/may have a foreign radar with the Gripen having an ES 05 AESA and the MK 2 having either the ELTA 2052 or the UTTAM AESA radar.

Both aircraft also use the GE F414 engine rated at 98KN.

Both aircraft have the same weight and design profiles including canards, delta wing and single engine.

If you pick one, the other becomes automatically redundant.

Pilatus didn't end HTT 40 despite not as strategically necessary as Tejas is.

Gripen would have instead helped the tejas design to mature fast and instead of stretching mk2 dev in 2030 we would have it now. Tejas mk2 specs we are talking about are the the one we wish to achieve. We didn't get them yet. There is another 7-8 years for it.

And may be we would have dropped mk2 and just refined mk1 and then went for AMCA either way IAF would have been in good position and industry would have learn it's lesson.

 

[power_monger]

That's the same thing. A 98KN class engine.

Ge 414 Epe is a planned engine of 114 KN. It's not yet certified.

 

[power_monger]

Pilatus didn't end HTT 40 despite not as strategically necessary as Tejas is.

Gripen would have instead helped the tejas design to mature fast and instead of stretching mk2 dev in 2030 we would have it now. Tejas mk2 specs we are talking about are the the one we wish to achieve. We didn't get them yet. There is another 7-8 years for it.

And may be we would have dropped mk2 and just refined mk1 and then went for AMCA either way IAF would have been in good position and industry would have learn it's lesson.

Until HAL laid it's hand on Tejas, HAL didn't knew the art of building aircrafts from scratch . HAL inspite of all TOT for 70 years never learnt it. Sometimes lessons are learnt in hard way.

And MWF will be inducted by 6-7 years which should be perfectly fine.

 

[Flying Dagger]

Until HAL laid it's hand on Tejas, HAL didn't knew the art of building aircrafts from scratch . HAL inspite of all TOT for 70 years never learnt it. Sometimes lessons are learnt in hard way.

And MWF will be inducted by 6-7 years which should be perfectly fine.

We learnt but never applied. 8 years the official time line of starting production so 3-4 yrs to raise 2-3 squadrons.

In short by 2030 we will have 2-3 squadrons of mk2 apart from.4-5 mk1a and 2 mk1 . That's official if there is any delay it will stretch .

Anyway let the IN come out with it's say. They should let the gov know if they wish to wait for AMCA and use naval Tejas or want a Rafale or F 18 . Once that is settled we should have a go ahead .

 

[Bhurki]

Until HAL laid it's hand on Tejas, HAL didn't knew the art of building aircrafts from scratch .

Google HAL Marut.
Not just Indian, it was the first Asian jet fighter..