A Paper Dragon: China's armed forces

[Voldemort]

Yes, I'm sure the Communist Chinese are going to start a trade war with Australia or nuke us over a mildly uncomplimentary post on Indian Defence Forum.

He is Pakistani. Ignore. His ancestors lost their way and somehow couldnt cross over to Pakistan during Partition.

 

[Redhawk]

He is Pakistani. Ignore. His ancestors lost their way and somehow couldnt cross over to Pakistan during Partition.

Thanks, Voldemort. That explains a lot. I have been warned before about the trolling efforts of this "genius" but I forgot who he was and fell into his trolling trap. It shan't happen again, believe me.

 

[Otm Shank2]

All those countries together can not march China militarily or economically.

Then why not take back all your historical territory?

 

[rock127]

Chinese GDP > Russia + Japan + India + Vietnam
Chinese PLA >>> Japan + India + Vietnam
Chinese PLA > Russia + Japan + India + Vietnam ( in conventional war)
Russia > Chinese PLA (in nuclear war)

PS. what is the chance of nuclear war between China and Russia?

How? Explain.

Don't underestimate Japan and Vietnam since they can make you bite dust.Check Chinese history.

 

[CCP]

How? Explain.

Don't underestimate Japan and Vietnam since they can make you bite dust.Check Chinese history.

From history(Chinese or any other country's) , we know the industrial strength is the most important determinant of war result.

 

[CCP]

Then why not take back all your historical territory?

The world is bigger than Asia. There are more players in this game.

 

[Sylex21]

Chinese GDP > Russia + Japan + India + Vietnam
Chinese PLA >>> Japan + India + Vietnam
Chinese PLA > Russia + Japan + India + Vietnam ( in conventional war)
Russia > Chinese PLA (in nuclear war)

PS. what is the chance of nuclear war between China and Russia?

LoL I can see you must really work for the CCP, because your information seems to come less from facts and more from Chinese state propaganda.

"Chinese PLA > Russia + Japan + India + Vietnam ( in conventional war)" = What a joke, you can't be this deluded. Russia alone could beat China in a conventional war, Russia + Japan could easily do it, adding India to the mix makes it ridiculous and there are many other neighbors.

Your exact comment was that China's GDP and military are bigger than all their neighbors combined. Lets take a quick look at just the GDP as the military aspect is obvious if you take even the slightest glance at statistics. We'll use GDP nominal as that is what the Chinese prefer generally.


China's GDP according to IMF: $9.5T

The People's Republic of China's Neighbors:
GDP's Listed:
North Korea - $28B
Russia - $2T
Mongolia - $11.5B
Kazakhstan - $231B
Kyrgyzstan - $7.2B
Tajikistan - $8.5B
Afghanistan - $20.7B
Pakistan - $232B
India - $1.9T
Nepal - $19.3
Bhutan - $2B
Burma - $56.7B
Laos - $10B
Vietnam - $170.5
Japan - $4.9T
Taiwan - $489B

China's Neighbors GDP: $ 10.084T >>> China

It gets even worse for China if you use GDP by PPP.

 

[CCP]

LoL I can see you must really work for the CCP, because your information seems to come less from facts and more from Chinese state propaganda.

"Chinese PLA > Russia + Japan + India + Vietnam ( in conventional war)" = What a joke, you can't be this deluded. Russia alone could beat China in a conventional war, Russia + Japan could easily do it, adding India to the mix makes it ridiculous and there are many other neighbors.

How? Russia or Japan fight with what with China?

How is their industrial strength compare to China ?

Your exact comment was that China's GDP and military are bigger than all their neighbors combined. Lets take a quick look at just the GDP as the military aspect is obvious if you take even the slightest glance at statistics. We'll use GDP nominal as that is what the Chinese prefer generally.


China's GDP according to IMF: $9.5T

The People's Republic of China's Neighbors:
GDP's Listed:
North Korea - $28B
Russia - $2T
Mongolia - $11.5B
Kazakhstan - $231B
Kyrgyzstan - $7.2B
Tajikistan - $8.5B
Afghanistan - $20.7B
Pakistan - $232B
India - $1.9T
Nepal - $19.3
Bhutan - $2B
Burma - $56.7B
Laos - $10B
Vietnam - $170.5
Japan - $4.9T
Taiwan - $489B

China's Neighbors GDP: $ 10.084T >>> China

It gets even worse for China if you use GDP by PPP.

1. Not all of them are going to war with China.

2. 10.1 is not >>> 9.5

3 Hyenas weighs(68kg x 3) > 1 lion (190kg)

can them win a fight with lion?

 

[Mad Indian]

3 Hyenas weighs(68kg x 3) > 1 lion (190kg)

can them win a fight with lion?

Three hyenas will eat a lion alive if the lion is alone. Hyenas are the only natural enemies of lions in the wild. Hyenas are the ultimate scavengers of the wild. A lion needs to be with its pride if it wants to save its hunt from the pack of hyenas

Anyway trolling aside, Chinese army is no lion. It has recieved bloody nose several times before from inferior forces

 

[Sylex21]

How? Russia or Japan fight with what with China?

How is their industrial strength compare to China ?




1. Not all of them are going to war with China.

2. 10.1 is not >>> 9.5

3 Hyenas weighs(68kg x 3) > 1 lion (190kg)

can them win a fight with lion?

How? Russia or Japan fight with what with China?

How is their industrial strength compare to China ?

1. Hey you are the one who said "combined" it was under your assumption that I did the calculations.
2. 10.1 is more than 9.5
3. Yeah except the USA is the Lion and China is the hyena.

If China is so powerful, how come China hasn't even been able to exert its will on Taiwan, a tiny nation which historically was a part of China. Maybe after China can conquer Taiwan, it can even start to think about challenging the massive world order allied against it.

 

[Redhawk]

If China is so powerful, how come China hasn't even been able to exert its will on Taiwan, a tiny nation which historically was a part of China. Maybe after China can conquer Taiwan, it can even start to think about challenging the massive world order allied against it.

The CCP and PLA have been making threats against Taiwan since 1949 but for all their blather, they still haven't taken Taiwan from the KMT or ended Taiwan's de facto independence in 65, nearly 66, years and Taiwan remains completely outside PRC jurisdiction. The PLA hasn't even taken limited military action against Taiwan, action that is short of a full-scale invasion of the island. The PLA, for example, could have launched limited airborne or seaborne commando raids against Taiwan and they haven't even done that. The CCP's blathering threats against Taiwan obviously smack of insincerity.

 

[dastan]

The CCP and PLA have been making threats against Taiwan since 1949 but for all their blather, they still haven't taken Taiwan from the KMT or ended Taiwan's de facto independence in 65, nearly 66, years and Taiwan remains completely outside PRC jurisdiction. The PLA hasn't even taken limited military action against Taiwan, action that is short of a full-scale invasion of the island. The PLA, for example, could have launched limited airborne or seaborne commando raids against Taiwan and they haven't even done that. The CCP's blathering threats against Taiwan obviously smack of insincerity.

Exactly! But hey Xi is being touted as the most assertive leader after mao - let's see how his regime pans out.

 

[The Last Stand]

------Unneeded post-------

Reason: Advice to RedHawk to ignore genius.

 

[debasree]

Well it looks China will be doomed by his own not outsiders in future they may be balkanised its cause even more danger then

 

[CCP]

The CCP and PLA have been making threats against Taiwan since 1949 but for all their blather, they still haven't taken Taiwan from the KMT or ended Taiwan's de facto independence in 65, nearly 66, years and Taiwan remains completely outside PRC jurisdiction. The PLA hasn't even taken limited military action against Taiwan, action that is short of a full-scale invasion of the island. The PLA, for example, could have launched limited airborne or seaborne commando raids against Taiwan and they haven't even done that. The CCP's blathering threats against Taiwan obviously smack of insincerity.

Well, the game is not contain only mainland China and Taiwan but US. If the game contains only mainland China and Taiwan, it should be end by 1949.

Taiwan is named ROC and has no government relations with most countries on the earth, that is the best situation based on both China and US's strength right now.

 

[CCP]

1. Hey you are the one who said "combined" it was under your assumption that I did the calculations.
2. 10.1 is more than 9.5

Adding Russia and North Korea in your combination makes nonsense.

3. Yeah except the USA is the Lion and China is the hyena.

Well, Hyena is only 1/3 size of a lion.
so, If USA is the lion, China will be a smaller lion (~60% of US).
India with 1/5 size of China should be a baboon(13 – 26 kg).

If China is so powerful, how come China hasn't even been able to exert its will on Taiwan, a tiny nation which historically was a part of China. Maybe after China can conquer Taiwan, it can even start to think about challenging the massive world order allied against it.

1. the game is between China and US, the situation right now is the best situation based on both sides' strengths.
2. If you can open a door by key , why open it by axe .

 

[Ray]

Taiwan has always been independent.

The Communists have bombarded Quemoy and the other islands of ROC which hug the Communist coast many a time, but failed to make any impression.

 

[Ray]

Adding Russia and North Korea in your combination makes nonsense.

Russia will never join China in any confrontationist attitude with any other country.

While accruing economic benefits off China, Russia will also carry out its own encirclement of China. She is already ready to assist North Korea and in the South of China is assisting Vietnam.

Well, Hyena is only 1/3 size of a lion.
so, If USA is the lion, China will be a smaller lion.
India with 1/5 size of China should be a baboon(13 – 26 kg).

The difference is that of one which is a scavenger and others are prime beasts who can hold their own.

China is no lion. If it is as you claim then it must be Herbert.

1. the game is between China and US, the situation right now is the best situation based on both sides strength.
2. If you can open a door by key , why open it by axe .

Sadly if you think China has the key, it has only a rusted key that you are trying your best to use since in reality you don't have the axe in your kitty.

Paper Lion, if you will.

 

[CCP]

Russia will never join China in any confrontationist attitude with any other country.

While accruing economic benefits off China, Russia will also carry out its own encirclement of China. She is already ready to assist North Korea and in the South of China is assisting Vietnam.

Here, someone think Russia will join a ally to fight with China.

China is no lion. If it is as you claim then it must be Herbert.

Well, that depends.

Sadly if you think China has the key, it has only a rusted key that you are trying your best to use since in reality you don't have the axe in your kitty.

Paper Lion, if you will.

The key is time. As more strength China obtain, the more easier or peaceful for mainland China to take back Taiwan.

We have seen changes made in South China sea and East China sea , and how did US help her allies.

Those changes will not happen in 10 years ago.

 

[Ray]

Here, someone think Russia will join a ally to fight with China.

There is a difference in fighting, encirclement and emasculation.

The key is time. As more strength China obtain, the more easier or peaceful for mainland China to take back Taiwan.

We have seen changes made in South China sea and East China sea , and how did US help her allies.

Those changes will not happen in 10 years ago.

Time and Tide waits for none is the English proverb.

Strike while the iron is hot is another English proverb.