A contingent of Russian ground forces arrived Pak for 1st ever Pak- Russian joint exercise (2 weeks)

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Geopolitical realities are changing and unraveling.
Rus has made a move. India needs to quickly make its move too. No half-asssing around. Shift camps.

Also this is the time to indigenize like crazy.
Copy all russian products w/o any remorse, like the chinis did /doing.
And extract maximum leverage from USA by playing games but be careful not to fall for US tricks.

And last but not least, take full control of all MSM. Eliminate fifth-column and their families because pretty soon we're going to have 3 major enemies in our region.
 

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Now rajnath singh will do kadi ninda of pakistan piglets. Why not just fecking cancel the indus treaty, the mfn status & bomb those camps in pok.
 

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Is baar to angoor bohot he khattay hain. :pound::pound::pound:
that will be for the pakis because every nation is ganging up against your state owned asset.."TERRORISM".

World nations will make it unbearable for pakistan to use its terrorist assets and force pakistan to kill the terrorists themselves..

paki army will have a tough choice now that all major nations are asking it to disown terrorism and even trying to enforce it on pakistan...even china is asking pakistan to kill terrorism.

All the anti terrorism drills in and around pakistan shows that..

Brace for a loong internal conflict in pakistan with terrorism agenda being played out inside pakistan in its many flavors.


Russians are not fools like Americans so that pakis can backstab them.. Russians are there for a purpose and thats NOT against INDIA but against pakistan owned terrorists itself...which again is Indian interest.



EU may impose economic sanctions on Pak for atrocities in Balochistan: Ryszard Czarnecki

Expressing solidarity with the people of Balochistan against Pakistan’s atrocities, European Parliament Vice-President Ryszard Czarnecki has said the European Union may impose economic and political sanctions on Islamabad if the Asian nation fails to stop the human rights violation in the region.
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...uropean-parliament-ryszard-czarnecki-3046746/


Ya know what comes next "Democracy" through USA for the mineral rich state of Balochistan.
 

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Geopolitical realities are changing and unraveling.
Rus has made a move. India needs to quickly make its move too. No half-asssing around. Shift camps.

Also this is the time to indigenize like crazy.
Copy all russian products w/o any remorse, like the chinis did /doing.
And extract maximum leverage from USA by playing games but be careful not to fall for US tricks.

And last but not least, take full control of all MSM. Eliminate fifth-column and their families because pretty soon we're going to have 3 major enemies in our region.
Russia unlike US does not have deep pockets right now (even US does not have deep pockets).

It is more symbolic than anything else but trying to put pressure on the Indians. Message is although almost clear to Bharat.
 

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Russia unlike US does not have deep pockets right now (even US does not have deep pockets).

It is more symbolic than anything else but trying to put pressure on the Indians. Message is although almost clear to Bharat.
I have been following media outlets like BBC, CNN, RT, Sputnik, SCMP, GlobalTimes etc. They are MSM and generally have propg for the masses, which show the respective countries' stance on issues.

By following RT & Sputnik (& its predecessor RIAN) for several years, I can tell you that the tone has changed; change is subtle but sure.

For eg: Recently RT and sputnik made sure that every article of theirs about the Uri attack carried statements like (paraphrasing): Kashmir is disputed territory, civilian deaths in Kashmir etc.
Also negative articles about India have increased, though nowhere near BBC, CNN levels.

Indigenization should be top priority now.

BTW Russian nationalists like Eduard Limonov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Limonov) are kinda pissed?

Originally appeared at Live Journal. Translated by Julia Rakhmetova

A huge foreign policy mistake is being made: a joint Russian-Pakistani military exercise in Kashmir!

India is not just offended, we risk losing an ally (and we will certainly not have Pakistan as an ally, because it is a US ally).

Pakistan’s wars in Kashmir killed more than a million Indians. Who decided to conduct Russian-Pakistani exercises? Either they are idiots, or these are machinations of Russia’s enemies. We need names!
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/there-must-be-traitors-top-russia/ri16639
 
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I have been following media outlets like BBC, CNN, RT, Sputnik, SCMP, GlobalTimes etc. They are MSM and generally have propg for the masses, which show the respective countries' stance on issues.

By following RT & Sputnik (& its predecessor RIAN) for several years, I can tell you that the tone has changed; change is subtle but sure.

For eg: Recently RT and sputnik made sure that every article of theirs about the Uri attack carried statements like (paraphrasing): Kashmir is disputed territory, civilian deaths in Kashmir etc.
Also negative articles about India have increased, though nowhere near BBC, CNN levels.

Indigenization should be top priority now.

BTW Russian nationalists like Eduard Limonov (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Limonov) are kinda pissed?



http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/there-must-be-traitors-top-russia/ri16639
India needs external push for it to get down to work.

Hope it sends the right signals.
 

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EU may impose economic sanctions on Pak for atrocities in Balochistan: Ryszard Czarnecki
Expressing solidarity with the people of Balochistan against Pakistan’s atrocities, European Parliament Vice-President Ryszard Czarnecki has said the European Union may impose economic and political sanctions on Islamabad if the Asian nation fails to stop the human rights violation in the region.
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...uropean-parliament-ryszard-czarnecki-3046746/


Ya know what comes next "Democracy" through USA for the mineral rich state of Balochistan.
OT: TBH, I dont trust anyone or any news coming out of EU. They will slap on paki wrists like US does on terrorism, and we all can see the result. They will condemn it,provide lip service and pakis will say 'yes sir, working on it, like we did/do on terrorism'. And they will tell us/balochis to practice restraint, to sabotage the freedom movement. They dont give a shit if all balochis die. All this diplomatic charade is very good and has its own value but India should not mistake that any country will support for Baloch liberation. We have to do it on our own and we must do it by the end of this decade. Pakistan must be divided ,anyone supports or not. But I agree, this diplomatic relations are important, too. keep good relations with everyone on paper, CHN, EU even with pakis. Project yourself and your aspirations in a positive way(propaganda) to your own masses and across the globe.(Need our own media). Say 'Vasudeva Kutumbakam' loudly and choke your enemies underhandedly, both internal and external. Above of all, be patient. Hopefully, we are on the right path.
 

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wud like to add my opinion.. this russia-pak military exercise is indeed an isolation move by RUssia ..looks like Russia wants to move pak away from USA.. :biggrin2:

Imagine whats going in mind of USA--- keeping in mind , Pak serves as geopolitical asset for USA to contain russia.

But its true our media was barking endlessly over the cancealtion of this military exercise.. i wud be happy if pak in next terrorist attempt target our media houses.. we will praise their this effort..:lol::lol:
 

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Go through the tweet chain. not sure about verification.-------------------------------------------------------
 

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It's being held at Cherat, khyber pakhtunkha not at PoK....
 

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Meanwhile India and Russia are having their own INDRA-2016 exercise in Russia, which happens to be 8th iteration of the INDRA exercise, as for the Russo-Pak exercise, the Russians are going right on that, this would remind our government that what might happen, however, russia can't lose India for the sake of Pakistan, for we are one of their biggest buyer, hell, we even got their nuke sub on lease not to mention the gorshkov aircraft carrier and joint development of FGFA and Brahmos-2,3, Pakistan thinks that Russia is moving towards them from India, however, they are oblivious to the fact that Russia is doing this just to show India. And I think that India will move more close to Russia because out MOD just presented a list of defence procurement worth billions of dollars ranging from 200 helicopters to leasing a more submarine not to mention the delivery of 3 frigates and a lot many things.
 

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Isolation in progress.... p*ncho .. Pakistan has learnt that India is just a paper tiger.

you cannot save cow becoming a cow.
I must say for the first time in my life I am feeling like a Paki. I am very much disappointed in the GOI and Indian media.
We should make a thread about the idiotic musings of GOI and Indian media.
 

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This means ISI has started good info business with the Russians.

maverick trick by Pakistan to responsd Pakistani distancing from USA done by India.

Some where somehow India needs to learn that, diplomacy is a game of interest and if Pakis really impress Russian on intelligence input then believe me India has big trouble coming up.
 

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This means ISI has started good info business with the Russians.

maverick trick by Pakistan to responsd Pakistani distancing from USA done by India.

Some where somehow India needs to learn that, diplomacy is a game of interest and if Pakis really impress Russian on intelligence input then believe me India has big trouble coming up.
How exactly the big trouble will come up? Russia will share info with Pakistan on the weapons that Russia sold to India?
 

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How exactly the big trouble will come up? Russia will share info with Pakistan on the weapons that Russia sold to India?
Not just that but ISI is known for their big spy network which slowly they will set up in moscow, they will try. And get details on India by luring Russians by providing intelligence on US.
 

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Well,I saw this coming from a mile away.

The Russians haven't been very fond of the concept of a free-market(go figure),they want monopoly on Indian Defence purchases,so when we started exploring dare I say more capable options from the west (AH-64,C-130,Globemaster,Rafales) they had to look at other countries for revenue

Not because they felt betrayed or anything,but because they need the money to keep their MIC running and I don't hold it against them.

We too should look out for our interests first instead of caring about the sensibilities of our "allies".

If there are gains to be made by entering the US led western bloc , (which there are,only someone ignorant/fanboy/propagandist will disagree),then we should do it.

Besides we didn't antagonize Russia,they did by selling Su-35S and S-400 to China,now that China is making their own copies they look to us.
 

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Not just that but ISI is known for their big spy network which slowly they will set up in moscow, they will try. And get details on India by luring Russians by providing intelligence on US.
Let us see. The permanent enemy that India has since independence is China. Pakistan is a chinese vassal state. So no new threat from Pakistan. India already has enough threat from China. Basically we are seeing the side effects of an emerging new world order. Pakistan is a very small piece in that.

We have to first see what kind of Arms/weapons Russians are selling/gifting to Pakis. That would make things clearer.
 

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Let us see. The permanent enemy that India has since independence is China. Pakistan is a chinese vassal state. So no new threat from Pakistan. India already has enough threat from China. Basically we are seeing the side effects of an emerging new world order. Pakistan is a very small piece in that.

We have to first see what kind of Arms/weapons Russians are selling/gifting to Pakis. That would make things clearer.
Pakistan may be a small peace in that , but an active and continous threat propagator to hamper India's 7.9% GDP growth. Capability to hurt CPEC must be there.

Via Balochistan insuregncy, it is NOT Pakistan but it is China a target.
 

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Pakistan may be a small peace in that , but an active and continous threat propagator to hamper India's 7.9% GDP growth. Capability to hurt CPEC must be there.

Via Balochistan insuregncy, it is NOT Pakistan but it is China a target.
Agree. And if Russia finds more value in new found "friendship" with Pakistan, then it will be Russia's loss economically at least. Losing a big market like India to gain a small market Pakistan- not sure if Russians are stupid enough to do that.

Wish speedy freedom and democracy to Sindh and Baluchistan :)
 

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Agree. And if Russia finds more value in new found "friendship" with Pakistan, then it will be Russia's loss economically at least. Losing a big market like India to gain a small market Pakistan- not sure if Russians are stupid enough to do that.

Wish speedy freedom and democracy to Sindh and Baluchistan :)
It is China who booked this deal b/w Pak and Russia for sure.

Russia will not invest much in Pakistan. They know India is there to prevent Chinese from surrounding India. More over, Russia is also fed up with Chinese photocopy reverse engineering. And doesn't Pakistan spreading it's network in Muscow. Because Pakistan is flooded with CIA too. lol
 

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