A bill to declare Pakistan 'state sponsor of terrorism' introduced by US Lawmakers

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Neither side is sincere about solving our issues. PA usually gets the blame for sabotaging the peace process but your military is not much different. India has stronger civil institutions and once you are at peace with Pakistan, it will be damn hard to convince the taxpayer why you need 50, 75, 100 billion or more dollars for defence.
Our main enemy is china. Some factions of Indian army are corrupt but most of them can't afford to send their children abroad like their pakistani counterparts. Most of them do not have huge properties and most of them do not have their names in Panama leaks.
Pakistani army own your country. Once the boogeyman that is India is gone then there will be no money for pak army.It's as simple as that.
 

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Our main enemy is china. Some factions of Indian army are corrupt but most of them can't afford to send their children abroad like their pakistani counterparts. Most of them do not have huge properties and most of them do not have their names in Panama leaks.
Pakistani army own your country. Once the boogeyman that is India is gone then there will be no money for pak army.It's as simple as that.
Unlike India, we love our army and have unconditional faith in this institution. Pakistan has always progressed under military rule because they're not currupt like our civil leaders.
To make democracy work you need strong civil institutions, something we we lack from the day if our conception. Zulfuqar Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Zardari and Nawaz have brought nothing but misery to the country, stole billions from the treasury to fill their Swiss and Panama accounts.
Pakistanis are now aware, maybe more than ever that civil leaders cannot be trusted and it will always be the army that will come to our rescue.
So even if Kashmir is solved, the military will rule in Pakistan until the day we get mature and working civil institutions, kill feudal rule and dynasty politics.
 

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I'm trying to put me calm and replying to post.

I hope this time you get me this time instead of reciting a Pakistani Narrative of Indian Aspirations and Policies this time.
And this is where you are wrong. America can not be trusted. If you think you will get same respect and treatment from Washington as UK, Japan or Australia get, you're naive. Like it or not, you are important to US as long as you serve their interests, I.e. contain China and keep a check on PLAAN in IOR.
India itself is not trustable.
If you think any country in the world has morality in their diplomacy, then, you are naive.
I have told you earlier, if you think India is trusting them.
Diplomacy has no morality or emotions.
You will have implement your country's short and long term interests with a long term safety goals by any or unfair means.


It's pakistan who is trusting China, India still keeps substantial differences.
America will never support you against any other nation in the region, specially not Pakistan where they have vested interests.
  1. America won't be even support us against anyone in Entire world, not only region. They still have problem with China's military, PRC's economic interests are common with USA. Though, India trying to be next global economic engine wants $500 bn trade with USA and replacing China as America's largest trade partner in long term. For what, India is going to score s trade surplus in just 9 years from now.:p
  2. India does not need anybody's help in the Region. With 75% economic output of the South Asia and dominating other fields similarly, we are enough alone.

Don't forget that your biggest strength is your size and in time you may use your weight to challenge US and this is where they will need Pakistan.
If Life gives you Lemons, make Lemonade our of it.

USA had supported PRC against the Soviets, PRC put a balance, in fact distance with both of them.
India not being a member of UNSC, without sole political power, has to keep common interests as well as differences between USA and PRC and possibly Russian Federation to many extents.
But Pakistan is putting all of eggs in China's basket. That's naive now.
American lawmakers can cry and introduce hundreds of laws, there will be no crippling sanctions on Pakistan as long they're in Kabul.
We already know that.
There is no harm in trying and breaking the confidence of Pakistan again and again, once we get into Kabul (militarily), it will make you more insignificant.
All previous sanctions failed the purpose they were meant for. Pakistan came stronger after each and every sanction or embargo. This is what the Congress was told two weeks ago.
Even we had sanctions, though blunderous socialist government failed to get UNSC membership and nuclear tests in 60s, India did nuke tests in 1974, 7 years after ban and today playing to become the member of group of same countries (NSG) who came together to oppose us.:rofl:
I knew it.;)
Neither side is sincere about solving our issues. PA usually gets the blame for sabotaging the peace process but your military is not much different.
Your military has controlled your nation directly for 32 years and indirectly I can't say.
Same isn't about ours.
India has stronger civil institutions and once you are at peace with Pakistan, it will be damn hard to convince the taxpayer why you need 50, 75, 100 billion or more dollars for defence.
  1. Wrong, at first place our defense budget is small as percentage of GDP and declining (in terms of %age) every year.
  2. Our citizens too do have aspirations. Even Mars Mission (though launched by congis) added votes for Modi. Similarly, in India, people want to see India playing greater role in geopolitics or foreign media's reports about India's role specially (increased significantly now after aggressive foreign policy, economic rise and improved defence exports).
  3. Even Indian citizens know about Pakistan's way smaller defence budget and they do not see Pakistan as an enemy alone (though Riaz Chacha thinks Indians are obsessed with Pak.:p)
In the common citizens or school kids, wherever I have lived in the country, people do have an obsession with countries making global news and want to see the same in nation.

There are plenty of satire jokes made by Indians on themselves too over such issues.
In the State Himachal Pradesh, my hometown and where I got my school education, we used to have fun with the joke we are a Developing Country because we are progressing but "amreeka" and "kanada" are not developing because they are lazy and useless.:p
No need to tag me, I don't bother to check posts of ignored trolls. I am happy whatever he said made your day and you enjoy licking his arse publicly.
My purpose was not to troll you but as you get impressed from your friends over small jokes and say, "You nailed it", I was just telling you how to nail it.:p
 

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America might be playing down the attack on Uri and just to make India Mum, later everything will be a usual nothing will be changed, The Bill on pakistan wont be hit on economy, exports, development, growth, tourism, etc, as there is no such thing happening. America has said it would condemn any sort of military strike back on pakistan or on terror camps, and neither they will send their Drones to the far eastern borders on pakistan nor they let us. so a status quo of ugly situation is not up rooted and we dont expect pakistan to do it. can this Bill be more than a eye washer ?
I say hit back on camps but dont brag about it.
 

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All said and done, hats off to Paki propaganda. Their brainwashing of their jihadi population is amazing! They can even convince them that the sky is green, not blue!

Like most Pakis think that they won all wars with India including 1971. Their text books say that Pakistan was forced to withdraw from Bangladesh by the UN!! Otherwise they would have won that war! Lol! They said exactly the same thing after their Kargil fiasco!

This is an epic failed state! Can't be called a nation. Its just a large bunch of moronic Deobandi Muslim turds with the aim of establishing a Muslim caliphate in South Asia. These Deobandis have massacred Shias, Ahmedias and all those who who don't conform to their regressive and fundamentalist way of life.

And they're spreading their tentacles in Kashmir too, This needs to be nipped in the bud.
 
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Unlike India, we love our army and have unconditional faith in this institution. Pakistan has always progressed under military rule because they're not currupt like our civil leaders.
To make democracy work you need strong civil institutions, something we we lack from the day if our conception. Zulfuqar Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto, Zardari and Nawaz have brought nothing but misery to the country, stole billions from the treasury to fill their Swiss and Panama accounts.
Pakistanis are now aware, maybe more than ever that civil leaders cannot be trusted and it will always be the army that will come to our rescue.
So even if Kashmir is solved, the military will rule in Pakistan until the day we get mature and working civil institutions, kill feudal rule and dynasty politics.
It's a good thing that you love your army. The same terrorist army which jeopardise the peace process in 1999,2008 and now 2016.
Living in the U.K you've nothing to fear. You will always love your army because she isn't threat to anybody you love or care about. But what about those 180 million stanis? Your army is a threat to world peace. Countless of Pakistanis life lost in terror attacks because of your terrorist army. An army who carpet bomb her own citizens in 21st century. Surely it's an army to be loved but only for deranged mind.
 

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