8 Soldiers Killed, 22 Injured In Terrorist Attack In Kashmir's Pulwama

[AnantS]

CRPF has its own CT training center, one in Silchar (Assam) another in Shivpuri (MP)

They also train in Army CJIWS.

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In Kashmir they have their intelligence network and also conduct recruitment drive in Kashmir for locals.


The only problem areas i see is South and North Kashmir district bordering Pak.


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Our security forces has done a commendable job containing insurgency with limited resources, fighting with SLR, with no BPJ back in 90s and in the most inhospitable place for Hindus which most of our Forces are.

If Pakis faced such an insurgency they would've certainly lost it like Bangladesh.

Yeah Indeed, you get to know about them from stories like in Ex Para SF Khaled's Blog. IN 90's the Kill ratio was almost 1:1.

 

[abingdonboy]

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/5-ar...outh-kashmir-1423367?pfrom=home-lateststories

SRINAGAR:
HIGHLIGHTS

1. Terrorists attacked a Central Reserve Police Force convoy in Pampore
2. At least two terrorists killed in retaliatory firing
3. This is the fourth attack on security forces in the state this month

Eight soldiers were killed and 22 injured after a Central Reserve Police Force convoy was ambushed by terrorists today in Pampore in Jammu and Kashmir's Pulwama district. Two terrorists carrying AK-47s and hand grenades were shot dead in retaliatory firing.

The CRPF personnel were returning from a firing practice in Lathpora when their six-vehicle convoy was fired upon on a highway on the outskirts of Srinagar. The injured were rushed to the hospital.

"Five of the injured men are in a very critical condition," said Durga Prasad, Director General, CRPF.

Mr Prasad said the terrorists targeted a bus in the convoy and was carrying 40 CRPF personnel, adding that the attackers even tried to get onto the bus but were shot dead before they could succeed.


The two reportedly belonged to Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba and sources said there was prior information of a possible attack by the terrorist organisation.

"An alert had been issued," a top official said.

Two other men, said to have driven the terrorists to the attack site, escaped before the firing begun, sources said.

Condemning the attack, Home Minister Rajnath Singh said, "Deeply anguished to learn of the death of CRPF personnel in an ambush at Pampore in Jammu and Kashmir today."

PM Modi too said in a tweet, "I salute the courage of the CRPF personnel martyred today in J&K. They served the nation with utmost dedication. Pained by their demise."

1) members of the CAPF are not soldiers, NDTV should know better. Soldiers are only from the military.
2) another oh so PREDICTABLE attack, it seems these security forces are not learning their lessons, this is what I had posted almost a month ago:

ANOTHER convoy hit, this has happened to the security forces (IA, CRPF, BSF) how many times in JK and the NE in the past 18 months? This is becoming all too predictable- the terrorists are hitting blatently "soft" targets; unarmoured buses and troop trucks. Why the f*ck are security forces being moved around in known "hot zones" in soft skin vehicles?? They are an obvious target and the terrorists are clearly wise to this and are hitting them again and again and AGAIN.

This is classic gorilla warfare, they can't face the security forces head on so hit them at their weakest but the security establishment keep presenting them with the same target over and over- it's criminal! These poor chaps don't have a single centimetre of armoured protection when they are travelling in those buses/trucks. The current SOP is to have a "road opening party" (in armoured vehicles) to accompany these (unarmoured) troop transports but there is an obvious flaw in this method- once the road opening party has passed on by the terrorists can wait in the kill zone for the easy targets, and simply mow down those poor guys.

When traveling in these hot zones every single security man should be in full combat gear (including with their PPE) AND in an armoured vehicle.

This pattern is all too clear to see...


@Gessler @Kunal Biswas @sayareakd @LETHALFORCE @HariPrasad-1

The pattern is VERY clear- hitting CAPFs as they travel in their unarmoured transports when they are at their weakest. It is CRIMINAL that there are till security men dying because these weaknesses are not being addressed.

 

[abingdonboy]

This Tata LAMV vechile will be better for CRPF Road opening Party to escort the Unarmoured Buses in risk areas of Jammu and Kashmir.
http://overdrive.in/news/defexpo-2014-tata-lamv-showcased/

Why the f*ck allow them to travel in UNARMOURED busses?? This is a WARZONE, act accordingly. Why present an EASY TARGET again and again?


I'll echo some comments above, THIS is why India will not be a super power for the foreseeable future. Look at how quickly ISAF adapted their equipment and techniques in the span of a few years in Afghanistan, meanwhile the CAPFs are employing the same tactics for DECADES with little changes to SOPs or equipment.

 

[armyofhind]

I am trying shut the asshole that is you, who has been just Diarrheating on the thread. Guess , you being ******, you are too wide open to have any control. Except you, no one else has reached to any conclusion, lest no one is putting blame on CRPF soldiers. But then you with damaged brain would not understand. Already you are too stressed out due to abuse you have taken whole your life. Congratulations you are the first Indian to be on my "List of ******s" I ignore.

cut out the rhetoric bitch and stick to point. Stop polluting the thread trying to prove the shit that you dumped here.
ignore of course you will.. now slink away with your tail between your legs.

 

[AnantS]

@abingdonboy That's what is appalling to see the troops operating un-armored buses in insurgency prone areas. Just check Mike's posted link, CRPF declared it will shift 50 MPV's from Naxal areas to J&K. Check the link to see these MPV's were in disuse and that they were not that effective against Land Mines used by Naxals.

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy That's what is appalling to see the troops operating un-armored buses in insurgency prone areas. Just check Mike's posted link, CRPF declared it will shift 50 MPV's from Naxal areas to J&K. Check the link to see these MPV's were in disuse and that they were not that effective against Land Mines used by Naxals.

1) those MPVs were largely useless in the anti-Naxal fight considering their limited anti mine resistance and the sheer destructive power of the IEDS the Naxals are albe to lay. There are some MPVs out there that would be resistant to those IEDs but India isn't procuring them sadly.

2) there is no real IED threat in JK, those MPVs are being shifted to JK because they have some bullet resistance.

I'm not convinced 50 MPVs are enough to replace all of these unarmoured buses and they should have been shifted by now considering when those comments were made (months ago). The CAPFs in JK need to reevaluate their entire thought process but they seem Incapable of doing so as i have lost track of how many identical attacks of this kind have happened over the years now and not a single remedial measure seems to have been enacted. The senior brass of these CAPFs are apparently indifferent to the value of the lives of their junior ranks.

 

[abingdonboy]

IG CRPF Says Road Opening Party (RoP) Of CRPF Will Get High Tech Equipment & Vehicles To Ensure Highway Security For Smooth Movement Of Conveys Of Army & Paramilitary Forces...This Step is Taken in View Of Pampore Attack...IG CRPF Says Mahindra MPV 6x6 Will Soon Be Given To CRPF in Kashmir

Fools. Always reactive, never proactive.


And this is the 10th? 12th? attack of this type and only NOW are they taking these steps? And what good is providing these vehicles only to ROPs? The terrorists are clearly waiting for the ROPs to cruise past and then hitting the unarmoured busses as they come past. Unarmoured vehicles have no business being operated by any security forces in any conflict zone but alas, life is cheap to south Asians.


This is criminal negligence.

 

[abingdonboy]

they were not in armor because they were returning from firing practice.. not in ops..

when our soldiers are in ops, they do have plate carriers and patka.

That's no excuse at all. They are a target 24/7 when they are in that part of the world.


Do you think the terrorists play by a set of rules that say they only strike those on operations? Clearly not as attacks of this kind on transports has happened COUNTLESS times now.

 

[abingdonboy]

Please dont blame CRPF. If you are not having right equipment (in this case vehicles), why should troops be blamed,
SOP were followed. Its was ROP who neutered Terrorists. But spray of bullets on unarmored buses had done the deed by then.
The escort vehicles were there, but if you see the area, the road is narrow and surrounded by buildings. Terrorists could have easily hidden among them and fired upon soft vehicle of convoy!

The CRPF deserves to be blamed, they (the senior brass that is) has failed to learn the same lesson again and again despite being hurt like this countless times now. It is their SOPs that are at fault. If you fail to learn from the mistakes of history you are doomed to repeat them.

 

[ezsasa]

One point to be noted is that there are three different agencies operating in that region at anytime(IA/paramilitary/state police). Ideally because of common threat all three should be having common standard practices and equipment(to an extent).

But unfortunately budget allocation is different for all three, required level of equipment may not be possible. Shifting required vehicles from naxal areas is not a bad start.

 

[raja696]

The CRPF deserves to be blamed, they (the senior brass that is) has failed to learn the same lesson again and again despite being hurt like this countless times now. It is their SOPs that are at fault. If you fail to learn from the mistakes of history you are doomed to repeat them.

Crpf knows this better than any one, most of there cadres are butchered by naxal ambush many times in andhra Orissa ... Some times I feel these techniques mutated between naxals and j&k terror outfits. The old chalta ha grandfathers in the crpf and police at highest order should be posted at nakka bandi . Then they will know the importance of sops and demand for equipment.

 

[armyofhind]

That's no excuse at all. They are a target 24/7 when they are in that part of the world.


Do you think the terrorists play by a set of rules that say they only strike those on operations? Clearly not as attacks of this kind on transports has happened COUNTLESS times now.

exactly.. that's what I've been saying in my subsequent posts.. somebody up the chain command screwed up..
Officers should have insisted on movement via MPVs and protective gear to be worn at all times..

and frankly, this isn't the first time CRPF is taking casualties in an attack of this kind.

 

[armyofhind]

a video of the same attack has surfaced which just shows a blue unarmored bus.. no escorting MPVs.

 

[rishivashista13]

a video of the same attack has surfaced which just shows a blue unarmored bus.. no escorting MPVs.

Which video ?

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[armyofhind]

Which video ?

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check the news.. TIMES NOW is showing it today. Someone has made a video of the attack from afar using their mobile.

 

[rishivashista13]

check the news.. TIMES NOW is showing it today. Someone has made a video of the attack from afar using their mobile.

If you get the link or the video , then share it .

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[Abhijat]

Salute to BRAVE WARRIORS.





This and other incidents point to local intelligence and logistics been provided to these scums, for money(mostly)

Why can't we give same amount of money to local populace for counter-intelligence ?

Also , a jammer should be deployed in area of troop movement , to resist any counter movement by disrupting communication channel of these terrorist.

JAI HIND

 

[armyofhind]

If you get the link or the video , then share it .

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Sure enough, I was looking for it on YouTube but it's not there yet perhaps.

 

[AnantS]

The CRPF deserves to be blamed, they (the senior brass that is) has failed to learn the same lesson again and again despite being hurt like this countless times now. It is their SOPs that are at fault. If you fail to learn from the mistakes of history you are doomed to repeat them.

Abingdonboy, If you read Lt Gen Syed Ata Hasnain latest article, ROP is a difficult and thankless job. And me and you sitting in comfortable environs cant make out mental conditions of the soldiers who are doing soldiering day in and out. Terrorists just need one chance to succeed. And given human nature some slip up bound to happen some time- Murphy's Law. However, the main point is even if such slip up, occurs do bean counters use it as an excuse to delay & deny distribution of necessary vehicles/equipment to forces, by blaming forces? You must be knowing how twisted Babus use logic to deny forces their needs, using frivolous excuses. Dont you think CRPF would have expressed need for such vehicles? And who ensures quality? Remember useless CRPF MPV's which are being talked about are much photographed Mahindra MPV's made in JV with BAE systems(its actually repainted BAE system MPV 1 vehicle). They are basically denuding CRPF folks in Naxal areas to protect the J&K. Why cant more be bought?

 

[AnantS]

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/chilling-footage-of-pampore-attack-discovered/1/701612.html.

Here is the video link. The video is too short to reach out any conclusions and has been shot from poor angle