65 years after independence, distance between India and Pakistan continues to grow

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  1. Yusuf

    Yusuf GUARDIAN Administrator

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    What is the difference between Indians and Pakistanis? The answer is uncomplicated: There is no difference. We are the same people, with similar personality strengths, and parallel collective weaknesses. Why then have the two nations moved along such dramatically different arcs in the six decades of their existence?
    India and Pakistan are not separated by a mere boundary. They are defined by radically opposed ideas. India believes in a secular state where all faiths are equal; Pakistan in the notion that a state can be founded on the basis of religion.

    The two-nation theory, which was the basis of Pakistan, did not separate all Muslims of the subcontinent from Hindus; nearly as many Muslims live in India at this moment, without any hindrance to the exercise of their faith, as live in Pakistan. Pakistan was created on an assumption, which had no basis in either the political or social history of Indian Muslims, that they could not live as equals in a united, Hindumajority India. It was a concept that flourished in the wasteland of an inferiority complex.

    Indian Muslims who rejected this view, like Maulana Azad and most of the learned Deoband ulema, argued that Islam was a brotherhood, not a nationhood; they pointed out that faith belonged to God, and nations to men. They offered empirical evidence: If faith was sufficient glue, why would there be so many Arab countries? Muslims who fought for Indian unity were swamped by the high passion of a separation dream that acquired, in the imagination of its advocates, the attributes of an earthly paradise. It took three decades for that cold judge, time, to deliver its first verdict. The two-nation theory collapsed in 1971, when a majority of Pakistanis broke away to form Bangladesh, an ethnic entity.

    Conventional wisdom in the 1950s, particularly of the kind which presumed that 'natives' were insufficiently evolved for the higher reaches of political thought, was certain that India's idealistic one-nation theory was the bubble that would implode, and Pakistan would stabilise and prosper. Although its polity collapsed within 10 years of freedom, Pakistan seemed to offer, initially, a more positive social and economic environment. But as its raison d'etre began to unravel in the mid-1960s, Pakistan's leaders learnt the wrong lesson from experience. Instead of moving away from theocracy, they clung to it as the abiding rationale for survival.

    Ironically, Muhammad Ali Jinnah, the suave and brilliant barrister who had turned a whisper of the 1930s into the storm of the 1940s, and created Pakistan on the slogan that Islam would be in danger from Hindus once the British left, was the first Pakistani to recognise the perils of the idea he had incubated. In his private thoughts and at least in one major public speech, his first before the Pakistan Constituent Assembly in the second week of March 1947, Jinnah envisaged Pakistan as a secular state with a Muslim majority. He never deigned to acknowledge Gandhi, of course, but it would have been a mirror image of India: Gandhi wanted a united, secular state with a Hindu majority. There was a critical difference, however. Jinnah's state was exclusive; Gandhi's India was inclusive. The point of departure came in the mid-1930s: Gandhi and Congress fought the British for the freedom of India; Jinnah and Muslim League fought the Congress for the freedom of Pakistan. The British acted as brokers, and they did not leave without taking their brokerage.
    The idea of India as a pluralist democracy was enshrined very quickly into the document that is the spine of Indian nationalism: India's Constitution. The debate over whether Pakistan should be an 'Islamic state' began to simmer and cartwheel as it came to the difficult part: What precisely did an Islamic state mean? The Justice Munir Commission, set up in the 1950s after the Lahore riots against the Ahmadiyya sect, offered some advice: An Islamic state was a mirage; in any case, it was no business of the state to define who a Muslim was. But wisdom has rarely deflected ideologues from their relentless march towards the extreme. The father of Pakistan, Jinnah, was soon ambushed and overtaken by the godfather of Pakistan, Maulana Maudoodi, creator of the Jamaat-e-Islami, who did little for the Pakistan movement, but once it had been founded turned it into fertile ground for his dialectics as well as his foot soldiers. The Jamaat is a tailpiece in electoral battles since the voter does not trust the mullah with governance, but its influence on the ideology of the state is in consistent ascent.

    Maudoodi's extremism, and the inability of Islamabad to do anything about his heirs like terrorist Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, has not only undermined Indo-Pak relations but also infected the social rubric of Pakistan. Textbooks, which once merely asserted Muslim superiority over Hindus and other non-Muslims, now demonise them in the most malicious language. Family and minority law are caught in a corrosive downward spiral that has little prospect of reversal; and many tribal areas have simply slipped into barbarism. Pakistan has turned into what I have called a "jelly state" in Tinderbox: The Past and Future of Pakistan: Jelly quivers constantly, and unlike butter will never melt away. Since it has an underlay of a terrorist sub-structure and an overlay of nuclear weapons, it has become a toxic jelly state. India is a prime victim.

    The idea of India, conversely, has saved India from its own calamities. The healing power of democracy has eased the trauma of both the north-west and the northeast; the secessionist movement built around fear that Sikhism was under threat in secular India lost ground quickly after a brief and violent upsurge. India emerged from the flames of 1980s reborn and resuscitated, held together by the promise of modernity: Political rights, gender equality, freedom of faith and economic equity. The idea of India has proved stronger than the Indian; the idea of Pakistan is weaker than the Pakistani.

    The sunder is permanent. Both partitions-Pakistan's from India, and Bangladesh's from Pakistan-are irreversible. Pakistan's answers lie in the man it remembers only in selective photographs, and whose personal values and ideology it chooses to ignore, Jinnah. There is some evidence to suggest that Jinnah did not fully realise the permanence of the separation; after all, he refused to sell his home in Mumbai, although the Nizam of Hyderabad offered Rs.10 lakh for it, a princely sum in 1947. Perhaps Jinnah thought that Pakistan would be akin to a princely state of the British Raj, independent, but with open borders. In any case, Jinnah would have been repelled by the fundamentalism that is poisoning the life of Pakistan.

    The 'ifs' of history are little consolation for the certainty of reality. In 1947, America was seven seas away from India; today an Indian probably feels closer psychologically to America than to Pakistan. India and Pakistan are divided by a great wall of silence, which liberals are anxious to breach, which ideologues are determined to strengthen, and which people are condemned to suffer.

    65 years after independence, the distance between India and Pakistan continues to grow : Cover Story - India Today
  3. thakur_ritesh

    thakur_ritesh Administrator Administrator

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    Land of the GODS - "Dev Bhomi".
    Re: 65 years after independence, distance between India and Pakistan continues to gro

    I have an argument that the two nation theory was null and void from day one, dating back to 14th Aug, ‘47.

    When one third of the muslims of the sub-continent continued to stay with India, even though Pakistan was very strongly advocated as the home for sub-continent muslims, that in itself was a big blow to the ideology of two nation theory.

    Then of course the treatment meted out to the Bengalis in East-Pakistan, and subsequent formation of Bangladesh.

    Followed by terming Ahmedis as non-muslims to the extent today even the Shias there are termed as non-muslims.

    Then the secessionist movements in Baluchistan, Sindh, Pakhtunkhwa, and the Northern Areas have only further dented the idea.

    And it doesn’t stop at that. It is very common to call the other a kaffir there if you don’t agree with what the other advocates, so the handful liberals are damned kaffirs for all, the so-called moderates there (who by Indian standards would be termed as extremists in India) are kaffirs for the outright hardliners, and hardliners are in turn kaffirs for the rest. Then look at Karachi, and the migrant muslims, the mohajirs, are still not an accepted part of Pakistan, and the violence there continues unabated.

    Pakistan, rather than being a home to the subcontinent mulims, as it was promised, has projected itself of being the most intolerant.

    Thankfully and to India’s good fortune, a good number of muslims decided to stick back, else a Hindu India would have always done a tit-for-tat to what a Muslim Pakistan would have done, and the two countries would have been a ditto copies of each other with extreme hatred not just for each other as nations but for muslims in India, and as is the case for hindus in Pakistan, and we would have most likely also been one of the most intolerant societies, and if that would have happened, possibly there would never have been a Bangladesh, for a muslim there would have never ever trusted a hindu.

    I will quote the author for the relevance of the statement:

    That indeed is the case, and so is the real difference that has emerged between our two countries over the past many decades which only keeps getting reinforced.
  4. devgupt

    devgupt Regular Member

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    The Two-Muslim theory | DAWN.COM

    An awesome article.
    It is surprising that foreign returned, clean shaven Jinnah was communal, while the traditional bearded Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Abdul Gaffar Khan were secular!.
  5. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Re: 65 years after independence, distance between India and Pakistan continues to gro

    Only one reason behind these differences: India = Hindu majority tolerant state which enacted the constitution of India. While Pakistan = Muslim majority intolerant state which is primarily guided by Islamic rules.
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  6. Raj30

    Raj30 Senior Member Senior Member

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  7. Sabir

    Sabir DFI TEAM Senior Member

    Jul 31, 2009
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    Re: 65 years after independence, distance between India and Pakistan continues to gro

    Are we discussing it here? Follow the topic and open seperate thread for your favourite things.
  8. natarajan

    natarajan Senior Member Senior Member

    Jul 28, 2009
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    Re: 65 years after independence, distance between India and Pakistan continues to gro

    If kashmir was resolved without going to UN ,now we wont be having more headache but to make corruption they probably left many issues unresolved so its related thing

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

    Feb 16, 2009
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    Re: 65 years after independence, distance between India and Pakistan continues to gro

    Pakistan was created on a religious basis as a homeland to South Asian Muslims.
    But Genocides committed by Pakistan all involve muslims Bangladeshis,Pastuns,
    Baluchis, Shiites.

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