50th anniversary of 1965 Indo-Pak War

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It is not about the radar or naval installations.

It is about the Somnath temple and reminding India about the Ghazis of the past. There by reducing the morale of Indian forces.

An old Indian beef: When Pakistan Navy killed a cow in Dwarka in 1965
The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Shortly after midnight of September 7, 1965, five Pakistani destroyers sailed just 5.8 nautical miles off the Indian temple town of Dwarka and opened fire.

Exactly a week ago, the Pakistan Army had launched its military offensive "Operation Grand Slam" across the international border. India and Pakistan were now officially at war and the Pakistan Navy wanted a piece of the action.

The flotilla of World War 2 vintage Pakistani warships lined up parallel to the coast, swiveled their gun turrets and fired 50 shells into the night sky towards the shores of Gujarat. "Operation Dwarka" as the Pakistan Navy called it, aimed at destroying a radar station that helped India monitor naval activity in the Arabian Sea. The naval bombardment lasted for four minutes. The warships turned back towards Karachi fearing aerial attack from the Indian Air Force (IAF) airbase at Jamnagar.

Also read - 1965 war: How India almost lost to Pakistan

Their shells, as documented by a naval team that visited the site the next morning, fell on the soft soil between the temple and the railway station shattering the guest house and damaging a steam engine. The only casualty of the attack was a cow which happened to be in the vicinity. The damage was limited because 40 of the 50 shells that were fired failed to explode.

Indian naval historians describe this as a nuisance raid. There was no coastal radar station at Dwarka, but such facts clearly come in the way of an exciting naval yarn. Pakistani naval accounts say the operation achieved several of its four-fold objective of drawing Indian naval units out for their submarine PNS Ghazi to attack, to destroy a radar station, to lower Indian morale and divert the IAF away from the north. The Pakistan Navy celebrates September 8 as Navy Day.

But Dwarka was not entirely undefended that night. And herein lies the bizarre twist in this tale. On September 2 the Indian Navy despatched the INS Talwar to carry out a barrier patrol off Okha to warn of the approaching Pakistan Navy. INS Talwar, a 2,600-tonne "Whitby class" frigate acquired from Great Britain just five years back was among the most modern warships in any Asian navy. Its Mark 6 twin 4.5 inch guns could belch out one tonne of steel and high explosive a minute to a range of 16km. These guns were guided by an advanced FPS-5 fire control system. The warship had secondary armaments of anti-submarine mortars and anti-aircraft guns.

Also read: Why should we remember the 1965 India-Pakistan war?

The Talwar had pulled into Okha, just 30km north of Dwarka, after developing engine trouble on September 6. It intercepted the transmissions by the Pakistan Navy fleet and sounded action stations at around 10pm after concluding that she was the target. The Talwar’s gunnery officer reported that the ship’s 4.5 inch gun mounting and fire control radar were fully tuned for combat.

The Talwar did not sail forth and seek battle. Her reluctance to engage the Pakistani flotilla could have been because the Navy’s hands were tied by a strange order from the ministry of defence in South Block. In early September, an additional secretary in the MoD sent a note on a file to Navy chief vice admiral BS Soman stating that the "Navy was not to operate north of the latitude of Porbandar, and was also not to take or initiate offensive action at sea against Pakistan forces unless forced to do so by offensive action against Pakistan forces."

The government did not want to enlarge the conflict. This restraint, which was a redux of the 1962 war with China in which prime minister Nehru fatally miscalculated by not deploying the qualitatively superior IAF.

But even this bizarre government directive did not explain the reticence of the INS Talwar and her skipper commander VA Dhareshwar. Several Indian naval officials were outraged by his conduct. In his sweeping account "War in the Indian Ocean" vice admiral MK Roy alluded to the court martial of admiral Sir John Byng of the Royal Navy who failed to take adequate action against the French fleet during the siege of Minorca. Admiral Byng was executed on the quarterdeck of the HMS Monarch in Portsmouth in 1757. Vice admiral Roy was not suggesting such an action in the Indian context. "But it should never be forgotten that it is the bounden duty of a sea officer to bring the enemy to battle." Admiral Nelson, time and again, followed this, followed by turning "a Nelson’s eye" to his superior’s orders not to engage the enemy.

Vice Admiral Krishnan, later the eastern naval commander during the 1971 war with Pakistan is reported to have said, "One of our frigates was at Okha. It is unfortunate that she could not sail forth and seek battle. Even if there was a mandate against the Navy participating in the war, no government could blame a warship for going into action, if attacked. An affront to our national honour is no joke and we cannot laugh it away by saying, 'All the Pakistanis did was to kill a cow.' Let us at least create a memorial to the 'unknown cow' who died with her hooves on in a battle against the Pakistan Navy."

The Indian Navy’s official history Transition to Triumph mentions that the Talwar had to be put into Okha for repairs because she had "developed leaks in her condensers resulting in a serious problem of boiler feed contamination".

One of INS Talwar’s former crew told me recently that this was a difficult problem but not entirely insurmountable. At the very least, the Talwar could have used her guns to fire at the Pakistani warships from inside the harbour.

The Talwar incident was not quickly forgotten. The earth-shaking blowback from the raid on Dwarka was felt six years later during the 1971 war, where vice admirals Roy and Krishnan played a key role. The Indian Navy cited the coastal raid to swiftly acquire missile-equipped fast attack craft from the Soviet Union. These "missile boats" as they were called, were towed by larger warships and let loose near Karachi during the December 1971 war. In two separate attacks, "Trident" and "Python", they carried out what remains the world’s most successful use of anti-ship missiles. They sank a Pakistan Navy destroyer, a minesweeper, a fleet tanker, three merchant ships and set the oil tanks at Karachi ablaze. The ghost of "Operation Dwarka" and the dead cow had finally been put to rest.

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/indian-navy-operation-dwarka-1965-war-ins-talwar-india-pakistan-war-iaf-operation-grand-slam/story/1/6116.html
 

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Let us take some time and pray to jinnah for seperating these animals from us !!
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Till now BJP should have constructed a memorial for poor cow!!
Did pakistan paid any money to that farmer?
 

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The following quote in the report above seems to suggest that Indian Navy was somehow in the wrong.
Vice Admiral Krishnan, later the eastern naval commander during the 1971 war with Pakistan is reported to have said, "One of our frigates was at Okha. It is unfortunate that she could not sail forth and seek battle. Even if there was a mandate against the Navy participating in the war, no government could blame a warship for going into action, if attacked. An affront to our national honour is no joke and we cannot laugh it away by saying, 'All the Pakistanis did was to kill a cow.' Let us at least create a memorial to the 'unknown cow' who died with her hooves on in a battle against the Pakistan Navy."
First about the source,
http://indiadefenceforum.com/three-...admiral-rks-ghandhi-breathed-his-last-mumbai/
[QUOTE BEGINS]Ghandhi was Parsi by religion and was son of Khushro Shapoorjee Ghandhi and Dina Dhunjishah Amroliwalla, and was born at Jabalpur,(in Central India) on 1st July 1924. He graduated from St Joseph’s Nainital 1941 with an Intermediate Science degree and after a year of advanced studies at Allahabad University fired by the desire to serve the nation, joined the RIN, and earned a permanent commission on 1 January 1943 and after 2 years Subs courses in UK served under Lt N Krishnan DSO later VADM on board INS Shamsher as a Sub Lt during the 1945 mutiny and told Krishnan to bomb Royal Bombay Yacht Club. Krishnan cleverly kept Shamsher away from Bombay by pretending the ship was detailed a ditched aircraft 80 nm from Bombay and asked Ghandhi to supervise ! Information warfare (IW) that wily Krishnan again used in 1971 explained in Warring Nuclear Nations –India Pakistan 2015 (RR Publications) just released.[QUOTE ENDS]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Nadder_(K392)
[QUOTE BEGINS]In 1945, Naddar was transferred into Royal Indian Navy and renamed HMIS Shamsher. In February 1946, the Indian Navy mutinied. Shamsher was the only ship in Bombay not to mutiny.[5]Shamsher was underway at sea during the mutiny, however, her commanding officer, Lt. N Krishnan, submitted testimony to the Commission of Inquiry stating that the fact that the ship's officers were primarily of Indian origin, unlike many ships of the RIN, may also have been a reason for the ratings not joining the mutiny.[6]

[6] RIN Mutiny Papers - National Archives of India 'RIN Mutiny Papers' Sr. No. 13 - Memos of witnesses submitted to the commission
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Now that we are clear about the source let us look at the facts:

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All off following is quote from the site http://indiannavy.nic.in/book/1965-indo-pakistan-war. However these are randomly taken ie. do not confirm to any order in that site, to point towards what I believe was the case for Indian Navy actually.

[QUOTE BEGINS]
The Indian Navy comprised one aircraft carrier, two cruisers, nineteen destroyers/ frigates and one tanker. Of these 23 ships, 10 were under refit at Bombay - the carrier (VIKRANT), one cruiser (DELHI), three destroyers (RAJPUT, RANA and GANGA), two frigates (TRISHUL and BETWA), three ships (the training frigate KISTNA and survey ships DARSHAK and SUTLEJ). The tanker (SHAKTI) was barely servicable. Training frigate TIR was in the Andamans. Survey ship INVESTIGATOR and landing ship MAGAR were in Visakhapatnam. Two Hunt class destroyers (GODAVARI and GOMATI) were at Cochin. One cruiser (MYSORE), one destroyer (RANJIT), and six frigates ( BRAHMAPUTRA, BEAS, TALWAR, KHUKRI, KUTHAR and KIRPAN) comprised the Indian Fleet. The Seahawk and Alize air squadrons, which had disembarked from the aircraft carrier for the duration of her refit, were distributed between Bombay, Goa and Cochin. Indian Air Force Liberator aircraft were available for maritime reconnaissance.

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His memoirs "Lal Bahadur Shastri", state:

"At the back of his mind was always the firm advice of the Army Chief that an escalation of fighting in the Rann of Kutch area was, tactically, not in the country's interest and that if there had to be a trial of strength between India and Pakistan, it should be elsewhere."

Mr L K Jha, the Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister in 1965, recalls:

"I was involved with some of the overall considerations which were guiding the war effort and meetings of the Emergency Committee of the Cabinet as`well as the Secretaries where some aspects were viewed largely from the political point of view but equally from an operational point of view.

"Now, first of all, the attempt on our part was to keep the whole thing confined, territorially as well as otherwise, to a local conflict, rather than allow it to assume the character of an Indo -Pak War. This was the prime objective of our policy - it had been in the past also. But at the same time, we had come to realise that fighting on terrain chosen by the enemy would always leave you at a disadvantage. This came out very, very vividly during the Rann of Kutch affair when Pakistan had all the logistic advantage and we had a tremendous problem in getting men, material and supplies moving to the front.
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"In fact I recall, and it might be useful for the record, a meeting between Prime Minister Shastri and President Ayub during the Commonwealth Conference session. It was a private meeting and I was there. Ayub said somewhat patronisingly " You know, your chaps tried to commit aggression on our territory, our chaps gave them a few knocks and they began to flee". Then Shastriji said "Mr President, you are a General. I have no military knowledge or experience. But do you think if I had to attack Pakistan, I would choose a terrain where we have no logistic support and you have all the advantages? Do you think I would make such a mistake or any of my Generals would allow me to make that mistake?" And one could see from the face of President Ayub that this thought startled him. Because quite obviously he had been led to believe, in my judgment by Bhutto, that the Indians had attacked in the Rann of Kutch. And he was firmly of that view until this question was posed by Shastriji. I could see him visibly pause and not pursue the point any further". (Blueprint to Bluewater page 420)

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Vice Admiral N P Datta, then a Commander serving in Naval Headquarters, recalls: (Blueprint to Bluewater Page 424)

"Around the middle of August, I had gone to the Naval Chief, with whom I had earlier served as the Fleet Operations Officer. I gave him my view that if the Fleet was to be recalled, it would take a week or longer for them to get back to the west coast, after which they would require another week or so to effect necessary repairs and maintenance before they could be operational.

"Admiral Soman said that this was the very point that he had made to the Chiefs of Staff Committee but had been overruled by the Army Chief, General Chaudhuri, as the Chairman of the Committee, who had said that if any alterations were made in the disposition of the Indian Fleet, if the ships were hurriedly recalled from Calcutta and sent back to Bombay, it would create a furore in the press and it would forewarn the Pakistani General Staff of the Indian Armed Forces' knowledge of their plans and hence their reaction would be severe."

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After the 1965 operations, Admiral Soman , addressing the senior officers of the Navy, said: (Blueprint to Bluewater Pages 463 et seq)

"Notwithstanding our initial disadvantage of the location of the Fleet on the East Coast at the time of the commencement of the undeclared war, and the material limitations of the ships after three months of exercises away from base, the Fleet, with the help of the valiant efforts of the Dockyard, took the initiative to seek the enemy and bring him to battle. Although this was not achieved, I am sure it had placed itself in a position to contain the enemy in his waters if he had ventured out, which I know was all that was expected of the Fleet.

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Why was the Indian Fleet Sent to the Bay of Bengal


Vice Admiral Soman recalls:- (Blueprint to Bluewater Pages 456 et seq)

"After the Indo Chinese conflict in 1962, the defence of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands was left entirely to me. The Army refused to send even a platoon there and we had to raise our own land force with sailors in khaki uniform to man the various stations in these islands. So far as the Navy was concerned, as soon as Pakistan started the trouble in Kutch, I had felt that my first priority would be these islands because while talking to various people during my visit to Indonesia as the Fleet Commander a few years earlier, and having been briefed on the developments since then, I felt a little nervous about these islands. This was because when the Army refused to send any units for their defence, I had taken on the responsibility of doing so with sailors with no experience in landfighting. But I had also placed MYSORE and two major ships in the area till the very last minute. It was only after the war had started and I was permitted to bring the Fleet back to the West Coast that I brought the ships across to the Western theater because I wanted to ensure that no opportunity was given to Indonesia to start anything at the same time. Whether eventually it proved itself I do not know but prior to that, Soekarno was reported to have been keeping an eye on the Bay islands.

"The Fleet, when it reached Bombay, had to be given this thoughtless order from the 'higher authorities' of not operating north of the latitude of Porbandar. Nothing else could be done except to try and see that the Pakistani ships did not move towards the Andaman and Nicobar islands to hold hands with the Indonesians

"I also had some intelligence on the presence of some Indonesian ships at Karachi and knew that any operation undertaken by the combined naval forces of Pakistan and Indonesia would neither be against the Indian Fleet nor the Indian mainland. It was most likely to be for the capture of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. I was quite convinced in my mind that the Indonesian Navy, knowing full well that only a small force of sailors in khaki uniform was present on these islands, could make an attempt to capture the Nicobar Island despite the then pretty poor state of Indonesia's Navy."

Was there any threat from Indonesia? Air Marshal Asghar Khan, who had been the Chief of the Pakistan Air Force during the Rann of Kutch incident, retired in July 1965. Soon after India crossed the Wagah border on 6 September, he was sent to China, Indonesia, Turkey and Iran to seek aid. In his memoirs, 'The First Round", he recounts his discussions with President Soekarno and Admiral Martadinata of Indonesia: (Page 43 et seq)

(a) President Soekarno said that India's attack on Pakistan was like an attack on Indonesia and they were duty bound to give Pakistan all possible assistance. President Soekarno told him to take away whatever would be useful to Pakistan in this emergency. Two Russian supplied submarines and two Russian supplied missile boats were sent to Pakistan post haste. (Note: They reached Karachi only after the cease fire).

(b) Admiral Martadinata asked Air Marshal Asghar Khan "Don't you want us to take over the Andaman Islands? A look at the map will show that the Andaman and Nicobar Islands are an extension of Sumatra and are in any case between East Pakistan and Indonesia. What right have the Indians to be there? In any case, the Indonesian Navy will immediately commence patrols of the approaches to these islands and carry out aerial reconnaissance missions to see what the Indians have there".

In hindsight, it would appear that the concern voiced to Admiral Soman by the Prime Minister and by the Defence Minister and Admiral Soman's own concern at that time about the security of the Andaman and Nicobar islands was not entirely unfounded. Indeed, as will be seen in the Chapter on Russian Acquisitions 1965 to 1971, it was this concern in May 1965 at the rise in Indonesian activity that precipitated the decision to acquire Russian ships and submarines. It helps to understand one of the reasons for delaying the recall of the Indian Fleet to Bombay till 1 September, when the Pakistan Army crossed the international border to attack Kashmir.

Another reason for sending the Indian Fleet to the Bay of Bengal seems to have been not to forego the opportunity for exercising with a submarine, particularly since the Pakistan Navy had received the submarine GHAZI from the American Navy in 1964.

Vice Admiral Soman recalls: (Blueprint to Bluewater Pages 421 et seq)

"After the fizzle-out of the Kutch affair for which the Fleet ships had been hurriedly brought out from their refit and periodic maintenance, we had the Hobson's choice of either committing them back to their refit and maintenance,or of continuing to keep them operational in order to make full use of the (already projected) live anti submarine training with a Royal Navy submarine which was due to arrive in India shortly. It had been our experience in the past that no amount of simulated training on attack teachers in anti submarine training schools ashore can ever make anti submarine teams fully efficient.

"It was decided, therefore, that the live target hunting and tracking opportunity was too valuable to be missed even if, during the period, the ships were not in as good a shape in their material state as they should be, so long as their anti submarine searching, hunting and attacking equipment and personnel were effective and efficient. In making this decision, I had assessed that we perhaps had time till about November 1965 before things might get hot again.

"In the context of this assessment, I must point out that while MYSORE and the anti submarine frigates were sent out to the East Coast for anti submarine exercises with the British submarine Astute, VIKRANT was put into the dry dock for her normal but long overdue periodic maintenance, particularly the repairs to her flight deck machinery, malfunctioning of which would have endangered valuable lives of pilots and caused losses of aircraft. Another consideration in committing VIKRANT to her refit during this period was that the weather and visibility conditions during the monsoons do detract somewhat from the full operational value of such a ship. All ships from the East Coast were due back from the anti submarine exercises in early September 1965 and, after normal maintenance. would have been operational again by November 1965, by which time VIKRANT was also scheduled to get ready.

"As it happened, events forestalled our calculations. MYSORE and the first pair of frigates to complete their exercises with the submarine carried out such normal periodic maintenance as possible with the limited resources available at Visakhapatnam, and were deployed in the Andaman and Nicobar area from where, during the monsoon period, smaller patrol craft are withdrawn. This was in accordance with the normal operational programme of the ships and was necessary, as there had been reports of surface and submarine ( of unknown nationality ) activity in this area. It was virtually in the middle of this deployment and before the second group of ships exercising with the submarine had finished their periodic maintenance, that all these ships had to be deployed to the West Coast to cater for any Pakistan naval activity. Needless to say, therefore, the material state of the ships, so far as their propulsion systems were concerned, was by no means at the optimum, as it perhaps could have been had we foregone the anti submarine exercise. I have no doubt, however, that the anti submarine exercises carried out with the submarine ASTUTE stood our ships in very good stead.

"From intelligence available prior to the end of August, it was known that the Pakistan Fleet was in Karachi carrying out maintenance and various exercises throughout the months of July and August 1965, while ours was on the East Coast. Being away from their homeport, Bombay, our ships had to continue to do with very meagre maintenance and repair facilities and resources, which had yet to be developed on the East Coast.

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Let us take some time and pray to jinnah for seperating these animals from us !!
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Till now BJP should have constructed a memorial for poor cow!!
Did pakistan paid any money to that farmer?
hahahahaha, a country where 57% population is a Tax thief they will pay money to farmer? :p
 

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1965 Indo-Pak war: When Pakistani soldiers landed in Punjab to take over IAF bases
-Zee Media Bureau

New Delhi: Though Pakistan continues to make tall claims regarding the 1965 war, an interesting report about the fate of nearly 180 soldiers of the hostile nation in their unsuccessful attempt to destroy three Indian air forces bases during the war tells otherwise.

A report published by the BBC claims that on September 6-7, 1965, Pakistan dispatched B-57 bombers and three C130 Hercules transport jets to attack Indian air bases in Punjab.

Interestingly, 180 troopers of Elite Services Group were on board the three Hercules aircraft, which were assigned the task of targeting three Indian Air Force airfields – Halwara, Adampur and Pathankot.

All the three transport planes were flying behind the bombers.

The soldiers were given the task to take over the crucial air bases and destroy the Indian fighter jets.

However, when one of the Hercules transport plane air dropped 60 Pakistani soldiers at 2 am near the Pathankot air base, they had to face immense difficulties.

As the Patahnkot air base was surrounded by waterfalls, canals, muddy agricultural land, the Pakistani troopers couldn't move as fast as anticipated.

The enemy side couldn't advance much and, to their dilemma, a villager informed the concerned authorities about them.

The Indian side acted swiftly and many Pakistani commandos, including Major Khalid Bhatt, were held in the next two days. Bhatt was leading the attack.

Even in Haldwara, the Pakistani troops were traced while landing. All the personnel stationed at the air base were given rifles and pistols and ordered to fire at anyone who tries to sneak through the bushes surrounding the base.

The Pakistani soldiers met the same fate in Adampur air base as well. The Indian side got alerted by the dogs, who started barking at the troopers when they landed.

During the sunrise, some of the troopers were held by the NCC cadets, while some were killed by the villagers.

Out of 180 Pakistan soldiers, 138 were made prisoners, 22 were killed either by the Army, police or villagers, while around 20 managed to flee back to their own side.

This year, New Delhi is celebrating the Golden Jubilee Commemoration of the 1965 Indo-Pak war, which India won decisively.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...in-punjab-to-take-over-iaf-bases_1668845.html
 

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Article shows in 1965 Indians had no or little radars and air defence system.

Kutte and billi were alerting the authorities [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]
 

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Kutte and billi were alerting the authorities [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13][emoji13][emoji13]
That shows even Indian Kutte and Billi's were patriotic and they could identify the enemies, isn't it? :D
 

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Gen Harbaksh Singh the commanding general of the Western Command had in his writings and in his book as well as paper in the Indian Defence Review stated that the Airforce was so afraid of Pakistani commandos making into the air stations of Halwara, Adampur and Pathankote that they during the war (1965) moved all the planes to Agra and beyond.

Even after the arrest of most of the commandos, IAF did not move back. That resulted in the ground forces suffering from lack of air support.

That point had not been covered by the modern day forum writers.

In one way, the Pakistani commandos did succeed in preventing an effective ground support by the airforce.
 

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1965 Indo-Pak war: When Pakistani soldiers landed in Punjab to take over IAF bases
-Zee Media Bureau

New Delhi: Though Pakistan continues to make tall claims regarding the 1965 war, an interesting report about the fate of nearly 180 soldiers of the hostile nation in their unsuccessful attempt to destroy three Indian air forces bases during the war tells otherwise.

A report published by the BBC claims that on September 6-7, 1965, Pakistan dispatched B-57 bombers and three C130 Hercules transport jets to attack Indian air bases in Punjab.

Interestingly, 180 troopers of Elite Services Group were on board the three Hercules aircraft, which were assigned the task of targeting three Indian Air Force airfields – Halwara, Adampur and Pathankot.

All the three transport planes were flying behind the bombers.

The soldiers were given the task to take over the crucial air bases and destroy the Indian fighter jets.

However, when one of the Hercules transport plane air dropped 60 Pakistani soldiers at 2 am near the Pathankot air base, they had to face immense difficulties.

As the Patahnkot air base was surrounded by waterfalls, canals, muddy agricultural land, the Pakistani troopers couldn't move as fast as anticipated.

The enemy side couldn't advance much and, to their dilemma, a villager informed the concerned authorities about them.

The Indian side acted swiftly and many Pakistani commandos, including Major Khalid Bhatt, were held in the next two days. Bhatt was leading the attack.

Even in Haldwara, the Pakistani troops were traced while landing. All the personnel stationed at the air base were given rifles and pistols and ordered to fire at anyone who tries to sneak through the bushes surrounding the base.

The Pakistani soldiers met the same fate in Adampur air base as well. The Indian side got alerted by the dogs, who started barking at the troopers when they landed.

During the sunrise, some of the troopers were held by the NCC cadets, while some were killed by the villagers.

Out of 180 Pakistan soldiers, 138 were made prisoners, 22 were killed either by the Army, police or villagers, while around 20 managed to flee back to their own side.

This year, New Delhi is celebrating the Golden Jubilee Commemoration of the 1965 Indo-Pak war, which India won decisively.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...in-punjab-to-take-over-iaf-bases_1668845.html
Some commandoes those were!!! They jumped out without intel about the terrain, it appears. Also, why not jump into the airbases directly during bombing run? The aftrmath of the bombing would have been chaos and likely the commandoes would have gone unnoticed in the dark if they managed to avoid flames and fires resulted due to bombing.

It seems paki army were basically commanded hy brain deads.
 

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1965 War: When India's 'Asal Uttar' turned into a graveyard of Pakistani tanks

At the height of the 1965 war, Pakistan's General Ayub Khan made a sinister plan – capture Amritsar and block supplies to Indian forces in Jammu and Kashmir by capturing a bridge on River Beas on the road to Jalandhar.




http://zeenews.india.com/news/videos/special/operation-gibraltar-celebrating-golden-jubilee-of-indian-victory-in-1965-war_1667780.html
The General gave the task 'Pakistan's pride', the 1st Armoured Division. The offensive, that started on September 8, 1965, quickly saw the Pakistan's tank regiment capturing Khem Karan, a town situated five kilometres from the border.

The Indian forces thought bit best to fall back and form a defensive line to tackle the incoming enemy from a position of strength. They chose the village of Asal Uttar near Amritsar as the location for the battle.

The Pakistani armoured division was technologically far more superior. They were armed with more than 300 US-made Patton tanks, regarded as the best of its time. The defenders had only had only 135 tanks, mostly old and of World War-II vintage.

The Pakistani's had reasons to be confident of breaking through the defence line and reach Amritsar. But that was not be.

Clever military tactics – Indian Army had flooded sugar cane fields near Asal Uttar to slow down the Pakistani tanks and then launched a daring counter offensive.

During the battle, which is now known as the 'Battle of Asal Uttar', the Indian Army liquidated Pakistan's 1st Armoured Division and created a 'Graveyard of tanks', so much so that the area came to be known as Patton Nagar – given the presence of a large number of abandoned Patton tanks.

One story of valour stood out in Asal Uttar. Company Quarter Master Havildar (CQMH) Abdul Hamid of 4 Grenadiers Battalion displayed exemplary courage. He single-handedly knocked our four enemy tanks and stalled their progress. Subsequently, as the enemy tanks tried to bypass the defended location of 4 Grenadier's, Hamid further destroyed three tanks with his anti-tank gun.

CQMH Abdul Hamid made the supreme sacrifice during the battle and was posthumously awarded the Param Vir Chakra.

Military historians have acknowledged the Battle of Asal Uttar as one of most important turning points of the 1965 war. Pakistan lost 97 tanks at Asal Uttar, a blow from which it never recover.

Please note: The Indian armed forces are making the golden jubille of the 1965 war with series of events. Shauryanjali, an exhibition, will be on display at India Gate lawns in Delhi from September 15-20. A carnival (Indradhanush) will be organized at the same venue on September 20. On September 22, Shradharpan (homage ceremony) will be held at the Amar Jawan Yoti at India Gate.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...o-a-graveyard-of-pakistani-tanks_1669696.html
 

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Pakistan attacked in India in 1965, the second time after independence, with Kashmir as the objective. The fighting initially was confined mainly to the ground. But as the war progessed, the two Countries began air operations against each other. Pakistan was confident of its air superiority, the Air Force havind equipped itlself with the then ‘state of art’ fighters like the F-86 Sabre and the F-104 Starfighter. By contrast, the Indian Air Force, had mostly old and aging aircraft in its fleet – like the Vampires (the first jet fighter ever, in the IAF’s fleet, was still on active duty in 1965), Orugans (renamed ‘Toofanis’), Mysteres and some part of the fleet comprising of relatively modern planes like theGnat and the Hunter.

At the end of the war, both India and Paksitan made claims and counter claims as to which Air Force had won. The Pakistani’s claimed between 60 – 100 Indian aircraft destructions, whereas India claimed a lower attirtion rate (losses as a percentage to sorties flown).

Interspersed between all these statistics, is one of the most controversial stories and a claim by a Pakistani Air Force pilot – Squadron Leader MM Alam, who supposedly created history – by shooting down 5 Indian Hunter aircraft in combat in a matter of just 30 seconds. If true this feat would make Alam the greatest ace in not only modern jet warfare history, but in all of air warfare history of the World ! Because while one could find a case or two of some Word War II pilot having shot down 5 enemy planes in a single sortie, there probably is no known story – other than Alam’s claim, of 5 kills in a matter of 3 seconds !

The story relates to September 7, 1965. On that day, the Indian Air Force targeted to bombard Pakistan’s Sargodha Air base, where Pakistan had based more than 50% of its main strike force. The IAF reportedly flew about 35 sorties during course of the day. It must be admitted that this mission to destroy Sargodha was a failure – for a combination of reasons – a wide dispersion of the aircraft over the complex of the air base, excellent camoflaging, and maybe – sheer bad luck for the Indians.

It was on this day, that Alam was flying a CAP (Combat Air Patrol) mission, when, according to his own account, he came across a formation of 4 hunter aircraft with a fifth ‘straggler’ – arriving to attack Sargodha. Alam claims to have fired one Sidewainder missile that missed, he fired a seond one that destroyed the straggler aircraft, and then proceeded to use his aircraft’s guns to fire at and destroy the 4 Hunters – all in a matter of 30 seconds.

‘Kill’s claimed by a pilot are authenticated by identifying the downed pilots on basis of information available along with their mortal remains. The names of the Indian pilots downed, as claimed by Alam, were – Sqdn Leaders Devayya, Kacker, Bhagwat, and Flight Lts. Brar and Guha. From here on, the actual facts begin to point to an absolutely ridiculous and bizzre picture painted by Alam, and corroborated by John Fricker, an author invited by Pakistan to write the air war history of 1965, from the Pakistani side. All five pilots named by the Pakistan Air Force as having been shot down by Alam, belonged to different strike missions that attacked Sargodha at different times of the day ! Here are the facts to counter the lies:

1. Squadron Leader Devayya one of the 5 Hunters that Alam claimed to have shot down, was actually flying a Mystere and NOT a Hunter. The two aircrat are distinct in appearance and a good figher pilot would easily differentiate on from another. Further, Devayya was part of the very first strike of the day at Sargodha, consisting of 7 Mysteres, at a time much earlier than when Alam took to the air. Pakistan later corrected their claim to say Devayya was shot down by Flt Lt. Amjad Hussain.

2. Squadron Leader Onkar Nath Kacker -Kacker was returning from an earlier Hunter strike and on way to India, and by his own account (He was taken POW and released to India after the war) his aircraft booster pump failed leading to an engine had a flame out, and he had to eject. The relevant detail here is, that he crashed about 50 kms east of Sargodha and was nowhere near Alam, when the latter took to the air. In fact Kacker’s air strike was a good 18 minutes earlier ! According to Alam himself – when he went up, he encountered two Hunters. He fired two Sidewinder missiles the first of which clearly missed the target and exploded on the ground. He did not see the second missile hitting any Indian aircraft.

3. Flight Lt. Guha – Guha was part of a Mystere formation that sstruck Sargodha sometime after 3 pm on September 7, 1965. Alam’s claim pertained to an air battle early morning, where he downed Hunters ! Flt Lt. Guha was shot down indeed. But by Flt Lt. AH Mailk. The Pakistan Air Force corrected this record later.

4. Squadron Leader Bhagwat and Flying Officer Brar – these two pilots were part of the second Hunter strike formation. While flying towards Sargodha, they encountered a formation of Hunters – part of a preceding mission, returning to India and being chased by F-86 Sabres and F-104s. The second Hunter formation decided to turn back to base being in a tactically disadvantageous situation. During this maneuvere, Bhawat and Brar got themselves stuck with the larger enemy numbers, and paid the price. The other three returned safely. It was not known which Pakistani pilot actually shot down Bhawat and Brar, but Alam was given the credit more for want of any other pilot claiming the kills.

5. The icing on the cake is this – Alam by his own account shot down five Hunters, and saw each one ‘turn into a ball of flame’ He also stated that all pilots were killed and he saw no one bail out. If this were true, all five wreckages would have been found in Pakistan. The fact is – only two wreckages were found – presuably those of Bhagwat and Brar. The other three pilots including the Commanding Officer – Wing Commander Zachariah and Flight Lts. Sinha and Lamba safely returned home. Zachariah is settled in the UK, and the other two officers rose to become Air Marshals.



Devayya and Guha were shot down by Flt Lt Hussain and Malik respectively. Zachariah, Sinha and Lamba came home. Kakcer had to bail out due to engine flame out. So which 5 Hunters did Alam claim? Or did he actually shoot down only two – Bhagwat and Brar? Or not even these?

Alam’s lies were perpetuated by John Fricker, a friend of Pakistan, and who was invited by the Pakistan Government to write the 1965 air war history. Fricker largely went by the lies fed to him by Alam, without getting into facts and details.

Alam is still regarded as a hero in Pakistan, largely due to the propaganda spread about him. He was credited with nine kills. The surprising thing is he did not even claim the two, acredited to him pertaining to September 6.

Why the Pakistan Air Force concocted this incredible story is not known. While the PAF’s 1982 History accepts Alam’s story as told by Fricker, the PAF’s 1988 History is surprisingly silent about the names. In fact, the PAF 1988 History does not even list the names of the five IAF pilots.

Psot the 1965 war, Alam, now on top of the PAF, and celebrated as the World’s best ‘ace’ was given commands of successive squadrons from 1966 onwards. Very soon – his leadership qualities at senior levels became suspect. By now he had also become somewhat a religious ‘bigot’ openly flaying abadonment of traditional Islamic values by the Air Force, especially with regard to consumption of alcohol. In the process, he rubbed many seniors the wrong way.
Alam attended the Staff College course in 1969, but was thrown out half way – on a strange pretext – that he did not know how to read or write ! His next command lasted 2 months. Alam was on top of the PAF in 1965, yet did not even fly in the 1971 war. He retired in 1982 as Air Commodore. He has become a devout Muslim, being often described as a mullah who spends his time praying and forecasting condemnation to hell for the PAF Officers who are less devout !

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I am not sure if this documentary was posted in other threads, if it was then please delete this one.
I saw it last night on Discovery HD how the Paki Army got screwed! Nice documentary except the tanks they showed were not Centurions but the newer T series! :frown:
 

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hey can u post video in english language
 

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I saw it last night on Discovery HD how the Paki Army got screwed! Nice documentary except the tanks they showed were not Centurions but the newer T series! :frown:
Yeah, in the very beginning they posted it. Its because of the unavailability of the war time footage.
 

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How Indian Air Force Came of Age in 1965
By Arjun Subramaniam, Published: 15th September 2015 06:00 AM


  • A Hunter being armed at Halwara in Punjab in 1965; (inset) Flt Lt Alfred Cooke of 14 Squadron | Source: IAF Museum, Palam, Delhi & No 14 Squadron
How the Indian Air Force (IAF) performed in the 1965 war with Pakistan is a question many ask. Yes, it did take a pounding on the ground when it was caught napping by an ‘initially’ agile PAF on September 6 and had many of its aircraft destroyed. Like the Indian Army (IA), it also came out second best in the Battle of Chhamb. However, as the IA clawed back into the fight, so did the Indian Air Force as it more than matched a surprisingly circumspect and defensive PAF. Concurrently, it also contributed, in increasing measure, to the ground battles in the Dera Baba Nanak and Khem Kharan Sectors. Why the fighter fleet of the IAF was slow off the blocks in 1965 is something to ponder over.

Not many know that three Tempest squadrons and a few Spitfires of the Royal Indian Air Force (RIAF – India’s air force came to be called the IAF only after India became a Republic in 1950) contributed significantly during all the decisive offensive and defensive battles of the year-long India-Pakistan conflict of 1947-48, prominent among them being the fierce battles at Badgam, Shalateng, Poonch, Skardu and Zojila Pass. However, the almost two decades of lack of action for the IAF’s fighter fleet thereafter saw a stagnation in terms of development of tactics and careful study of its adversaries. Making matters more difficult was a slew of aircraft purchases from countries as diverse as Britain, France and Russia, and the much-debated absence of offensive air power during the 1962 conflict with China. This resulted in excessive diversity of inventory and tactics, as IAF pilots trained in different environments and then attempted to integrate all that they had learnt. Reconciling Western and Russian air power thought left much in limbo. PAF on the other hand had put all its eggs in the US basket and even set up a Tactics School with USAF’s help in the late 1950s. Consequently, they were better prepared than the IAF to go into battle in 1965.

Three or four events changed the course of the air war. The first was a pep talk given by Wing Commander (later Air Marshal) Johnny Greene, one of the IAF’s finest combat pilots of the time, to a young and eager bunch of fighter pilots at Air Force Station in Pathankot after four Vampires were shot down over Chhamb on September 1. He spoke to them on the intricacies of air combat; the need to conquer their fears and to “go up there and shoot well and shoot straight”. “It is as simple as that,” he said. Johnny Greene and a group of inspired Gnat pilots from 23 Squadron (The Panthers) would go into combat from the next day onwards, with two of their young guns shooting down a Sabre each, as the PAF attempted to build on their early strikes. Johnny Greene and a few others would have got kills had it not been for the untimely jamming of the notoriously unpredictable Gnat guns. A few days later, PAF Sabres were rudely surprised by the air combat capability of IAF Hunters during their much-written-about airfield strikes over Halwara (Punjab) and Kalaikunda (West Bengal) where large-scale aerial battles resulted in the downing of quite a few Sabres.

In one of these encounters, Flt Lt Alfred Cooke would outfight and shoot down two Sabres, as hundreds of awestruck students from IIT, Kharagpur watched. Cooke would emigrate to Australia and return 50 years later to present his Vir Chakra to the No 14 Squadron, which he had served in during the war.

From then on, the PAF was circumspect about engaging IAF fighters over Indian air space and restricted themselves to ground attack missions in support of the Pakistan Army and air defence operations; the PAF was clearly rattled by the IAF response and went into what is commonly known in the India-Pakistan lexicon as ‘combat preservation mode.’

Dera Baba Nanak (DBN) was a critical enclave at the intersection of the Lahore and Sialkot sectors; an Indian Army brigade planned a limited offensive to try and confuse the Pakistanis with regard to where the main Indian offensive was materialising. A swift counterattack by Pakistani armour at the bridge on the evening of September 6 caught the Indian brigade commander by surprise; to his credit, however, Brigadier Pritham Singh immediately called for air strikes from the close-by Adampur airfield where Mysteres of 8 Squadron were waiting impatiently for missions all day.

This was the beginning of a productive war for Black formation comprising Squadron Leader ‘Minky’ Jatar and Flight Lieutenants Chopra, Patney and Bhatia. Not only did they account for destroying almost 10 tanks between themselves that evening, as they made multiple passes over the target area and expended all their SNEB rockets, but they also flew numerous successful ground attack missions together during the war and raised the morale of the IAF’s ground attack fleet. All four went on to bag Vir Chakra for their performance during the conflict.

Further south at Raiwind in the Kasur and Khem Karan sector, a successful Pakistani offensive by 1 Armoured Division was slowed down when an ammunition-laden train was derailed by successive waves of Mysteres and Hunters, which then went on to play havoc among tanks and vehicles at Kasur, the launch pad for Major General Nasir Ahmed’s 1 Armoured Divisions. A similar strike by 31 Squadron’s Mysteres the next day and Canberra bombers took out over 15-20 tanks, thereby contributing, in no small measure, to the slowing down of Pakistani armoured offensive. This gave Major General Gurbaksh Singh, the Indian divisional commander of the famed ‘Red Eagles’ 4 Mountain division, some breathing space; it also allowed Lt Gen Dhillon, his corps commander, to induct his corps reserve in the form of Brigadier Theogaraj’s 2 Independent Armoured Brigade and apply it at a place and time of his choosing.

What happened next will go down in history as one of Indian Army’s finest hours at Assal Uttar, a few kilometres north-east of Khem Karan, where Indian Centurion tanks and mobile tank hunting teams destroyed numerous Pakistan Patton tanks. The IAF had silently played its part, but it has not figured much in popular discourse about the battle. The PAF was surprised by an increasingly aggressive and resilient IAF as the war headed for an inevitable ceasefire. The IAF had come of age over the skies of Punjab!

The author is a serving Air Vice Marshal in the IAF and a faculty member at The National Defence College, New Delhi.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/col...-of-Age-in-1965/2015/09/15/article3028077.ece
 

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Good timing of publication of this article, as the Pakistanis are celebrating their 1965 whatever.
I agree, previous govt.s should have propagated such information long ago through mass media however, better late than never.
 

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