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That is not practical for a populated country like India. We wil have to spend so much on salary or stipend that we wont be able to equip the soldiers.....we will have something sort of large militia instead of a modern army. Besides , there will be lack of resource for developmental projects including defence....
BMT is the need of the hour! However, the elites of dilli durbar fear this!
 

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Yes... it helps the nation at wide and each person will know his responsibility even after he comes out of the Army. The whole nation will be in a good position. There will be no thieves and rowdies, upto some extent as youth will get jobs and will come to know the better side of life rather than roaming on the streets and also the count of rapes will reduce as youth would act like an ARMY personal and will maintain dignity as they will gain respect of being a soldier....
No such thing will happen if you force non-motivated persons to join in the Army. They will rather misuse their power and become a headache for discipline in Army......But, Army should reach out to more people....go to campus to encourage youth to join in army...
 

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Joining Armed forces should not mean that everyone are made soldiers, but everyone must be trained like soldiers and all the recruited personals must be used for all purposes.....
He said 15 years....

Yes, army training can be provided...volunteering in NCC can be made mandetory so that students participate in relief works and other needs of nation and know their country better...
 

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Indian Army is a full time Volunteer force, And it should be kept like that ..

TA is for civilians who intend to do something for country if they want..

NCC has a greater role in defending nation, And Gov should do something about that ..

That is not practical for a populated country like India. We wil have to spend so much on salary or stipend that we wont be able to equip the soldiers.....we will have something sort of large militia instead of a modern army. Besides , there will be lack of resource for developmental projects including defence....
 

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with elections coming ,govenement will concentrate on vote bank and wont waste money for even single bullet,afterall people vote based on secularism and the last minute
magics.
You are actually saying the opposite....Nothing guarantees more success in election than an external war.. So congress is missing an opportunity....

On a serious note ...be it UPA or NDA...the politicians have always failed us to give a proper reply to provocation...probably in fear of escalation.......... Today UPA is failing us...yesterday it was NDA ... let's see what happens in future....
 

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This article makes a lot of sense.

Why J&K attacks show India needs a strong Afghanistan policy

For over an hour, the mangled body of one of the men who'd tried to blow up the Indian consulate in Jalalabad lay on the street, surrounded by a sullen crowd of local residents. Nine small children had died in the explosion, which took place while they were walking down the street on their way to religious studies classes in the local mosque. "Everyone was staring", a witness recalls, "as if they wanted to will the dead man back to life, so they could beat him to death again". Then, a little boy in a a light-blue shalwar-kameez emerged from the crowd, and calmly walked up to the dead body. He undid the drawstrings on his trousers, and urinated on the corpse. The crowd cheered.

Three hours flight-time away from Jalalabad, United States diplomats are trying to hammer out a peace deal with Taliban negotiators at the plush Four Seasons Hotel on Doha's upmarket Corniche. Last month, the Taliban shut down their new political office in Doha, following furious Afghan protests. But the talks have quietly continued. India's government, following the western lead, has been betting they'll lead to a peace deal before the United States draws-down its forces in Afghanistan next year.

Last night's murderous ambush in Poonch, where Pakistan army irregulars are thought to have organised the ambush which claimed the lives of five Indian soldiers, shows that hope is self-delusion. The Poonch attack is among the first gusts of the storm brewing across the Hindu Kush to touch home.. The attack on the Indian consulate served notice to New Delhi that Afghanistan's future is more likely to resemble the Jalalabad street than the Doha Corniche. For India, the choices it now makes in Afghanistan will have critical consequences, especially in Kashmir— but the government is shutting its eyes, and hoping it all turns out to be a bad dream.

For the first time since the near-war of 2001-2002, as Firstpost recently reported, losses of Indian security force personnel have risen relative to the precious year. The underlying reason is simple: as the United States prepares to pull out of Afghanistan, it is less less able to push Pakistan to rein-in jihadist groups operating against India. For its part, the Pakistan army has good reason to resume low-grade hostilities against India, hoping to regain some legitimacy with elements of the jihadist movement who have turned against it in recent years. It hopes to install a client government in Kabul, evict India from the picture and resume its efforts to use covert warfare as a tool to tie down its increasingly powerful neighbour.

In December, Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed told members of the secessionist All-Parties Hurriyat Conference that he intended to revive operations once the United States was out of Afghanistan. He publicly warned, in February, that "just as America had to run away, then India, you will have to leave Kashmir".

For weeks before the Jalalabad attack, government sources have told Firstpost, there had been multiple intelligence warnings on Indian diplomatic facilities in Kabul, Kandhahar and Jalalabad. Earlier this year, India Today's Saurabh Shukla has reported, a high-level Indian delegation led by Deputy National Security Advisor Nehchal Sandhu suggested enhanced security measures for new ambassador Amar Sinha.

Indian and Afghan investigators believe the attack on the consulate only failed because of poor planning and reconnaissance. The three suicide bombers, driving an explosives-laden Toyota Corolla car, were stopped at an Afghan police checkpoint some 30 metres from the consulate gate. Two of the men emerged from the car, and began to walk towards the checkpoint. Even as they moved forward, though, the suicide-bomber inside the car detonated the vehicle —setting off the suicide vest on a second attacker. Police at the checkpoint opened fire, killing the third.

In several recent strikes, jihadist assault teams stormed their targets taking advantage of the shock and confusion caused by the initial attack— among them, the July attack on a DynCorp-run guest house which claimed the lives of Indian nationals John Martis, Sandeep Jilaji, Naveen Kumar Gurudi and Kaushik Chakraborty. Near-identical tactics were used to strike Central Intelligence Agency offices and the Presidential palace in June— even as President Hamid Karzai was holding a press conference. For reasons we don't know yet, the Jalalabad attackers didn't get it right.

Like the two past attacks on India's embassy in Kabul, there are even odds that Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence was involved: a murderous attack in 2008, the New York Times' Mark Mazetti and Eric Schmitt reported, was directly facilitated by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, while Afghan authorities blamed the 2010 strike on it.

In each of those past instances, India itself remained quiet, choosing not to make Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's pursuit of a grand peace bargain with Pakistan contingent on terrorism.

The strategy has failed— but there are things New Delhi can do to exert pressure. First as Firstpost revealed recently, President Karzai has given New Delhi a lethal-weapons shopping list, calling in Afghanistan's entitlements under the Strategic Partnership Agreement the two countries have signed. Afghanistan wants 105 millimetre artillery, as well as helicopters and transport aircraft— all second-hand equipment India can supply at a relatively low cost. India has so far denied the requests, fearing it will complicate the relationship with Pakistan and the United States. Instead, it has granted $100 million in economic aid to Afghanistan, in addition to $2 billion already committed. The aid has won friends— ordinary Afghans often tell visitors that while Pakistan gives them suicide bombers, India is giving them hospitals. Yet, beefing up Afghanistan's armed forces will send Pakistan an important signal of intent.

Then, India needs to make clear it won't tolerate a peace deal with the Taliban that undermines Afghanistan's constitution and democracy. In 2014"²s presidential elections, the likely candidates of the major opposition blocs, the National Front and National Coalition, will likely be figures friendly to India— ranging from former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah to Hanif Atmar. Karzai-linked candidates are more sympathetic to Pakistan —but more Indian military aid will lock them into the relationship.

Finally, India can adopt a more muscular posture on the Line of Control. Estimates suggest about a third of Pakistan's 500,000-strong army is committed to counter-terrorist operations in its North-West. Indian troops have given at least as good as they've got on the Line of Control, staging several eye-for-an-eye raids across the Line of Control to punish Pakistani attacks. The government's been loath, though, to up the stakes, for fear for the ceasefire falling apart. If India reconsiders that strategy, though, it can threaten to make Pakistan more vulnerable to domestic terrorism by forcing it to pull troops eastwards.

The one option India doesn't have is to do nothing. For a decade now, India has ridden on the back of historically-anomalous geo-strategic springtime: the restraining presence of the United States, a war between Pakistan and the jihadists it long patronised, and a favourable international climate, driven by record economic growth. Now, events suggest, a harsh winter could again be descending.For over an hour, the mangled body of one of the men who'd tried to blow up the Indian consulate in Jalalabad lay on the street, surrounded by a sullen crowd of local residents. Nine small children had died in the explosion, which took place while they were walking down the street on their way to religious studies classes in the local mosque. "Everyone was staring", a witness recalls, "as if they wanted to will the dead man back to life, so they could beat him to death again". Then, a little boy in a a light-blue shalwar-kameez emerged from the crowd, and calmly walked up to the dead body. He undid the drawstrings on his trousers, and urinated on the corpse. The crowd cheered.

Three hours flight-time away from Jalalabad, United States diplomats are trying to hammer out a peace deal with Taliban negotiators at the plush Four Seasons Hotel on Doha's upmarket Corniche. Last month, the Taliban shut down their new political office in Doha, following furious Afghan protests. But the talks have quietly continued. India's government, following the western lead, has been betting they'll lead to a peace deal before the United States draws-down its forces in Afghanistan next year.

Last night's murderous ambush in Poonch, where Pakistan army irregulars are thought to have organised the ambush which claimed the lives of five Indian soldiers, shows that hope is self-delusion. The Poonch attack is among the first gusts of the storm brewing across the Hindu Kush to touch home.. The attack on the Indian consulate served notice to New Delhi that Afghanistan's future is more likely to resemble the Jalalabad street than the Doha Corniche. For India, the choices it now makes in Afghanistan will have critical consequences, especially in Kashmir— but the government is shutting its eyes, and hoping it all turns out to be a bad dream.

AFP Afghanistan policemen walk at the site of a suicide attack in front of the Indian consulate in Jalalabad. AFP
For the first time since the near-war of 2001-2002, as Firstpost recently reported, losses of Indian security force personnel have risen relative to the precious year. The underlying reason is simple: as the United States prepares to pull out of Afghanistan, it is less less able to push Pakistan to rein-in jihadist groups operating against India. For its part, the Pakistan army has good reason to resume low-grade hostilities against India, hoping to regain some legitimacy with elements of the jihadist movement who have turned against it in recent years. It hopes to install a client government in Kabul, evict India from the picture and resume its efforts to use covert warfare as a tool to tie down its increasingly powerful neighbour.

In December, Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed told members of the secessionist All-Parties Hurriyat Conference that he intended to revive operations once the United States was out of Afghanistan. He publicly warned, in February, that "just as America had to run away, then India, you will have to leave Kashmir".

For weeks before the Jalalabad attack, government sources have told Firstpost, there had been multiple intelligence warnings on Indian diplomatic facilities in Kabul, Kandhahar and Jalalabad. Earlier this year, India Today's Saurabh Shukla has reported, a high-level Indian delegation led by Deputy National Security Advisor Nehchal Sandhu suggested enhanced security measures for new ambassador Amar Sinha.

Indian and Afghan investigators believe the attack on the consulate only failed because of poor planning and reconnaissance. The three suicide bombers, driving an explosives-laden Toyota Corolla car, were stopped at an Afghan police checkpoint some 30 metres from the consulate gate. Two of the men emerged from the car, and began to walk towards the checkpoint. Even as they moved forward, though, the suicide-bomber inside the car detonated the vehicle —setting off the suicide vest on a second attacker. Police at the checkpoint opened fire, killing the third.

In several recent strikes, jihadist assault teams stormed their targets taking advantage of the shock and confusion caused by the initial attack— among them, the July attack on a DynCorp-run guest house which claimed the lives of Indian nationals John Martis, Sandeep Jilaji, Naveen Kumar Gurudi and Kaushik Chakraborty. Near-identical tactics were used to strike Central Intelligence Agency offices and the Presidential palace in June— even as President Hamid Karzai was holding a press conference. For reasons we don't know yet, the Jalalabad attackers didn't get it right.

Like the two past attacks on India's embassy in Kabul, there are even odds that Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence was involved: a murderous attack in 2008, the New York Times' Mark Mazetti and Eric Schmitt reported, was directly facilitated by Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, while Afghan authorities blamed the 2010 strike on it.

In each of those past instances, India itself remained quiet, choosing not to make Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's pursuit of a grand peace bargain with Pakistan contingent on terrorism.

The strategy has failed— but there are things New Delhi can do to exert pressure. First as Firstpost revealed recently, President Karzai has given New Delhi a lethal-weapons shopping list, calling in Afghanistan's entitlements under the Strategic Partnership Agreement the two countries have signed. Afghanistan wants 105 millimetre artillery, as well as helicopters and transport aircraft— all second-hand equipment India can supply at a relatively low cost. India has so far denied the requests, fearing it will complicate the relationship with Pakistan and the United States. Instead, it has granted $100 million in economic aid to Afghanistan, in addition to $2 billion already committed. The aid has won friends— ordinary Afghans often tell visitors that while Pakistan gives them suicide bombers, India is giving them hospitals. Yet, beefing up Afghanistan's armed forces will send Pakistan an important signal of intent.

Then, India needs to make clear it won't tolerate a peace deal with the Taliban that undermines Afghanistan's constitution and democracy. In 2014"²s presidential elections, the likely candidates of the major opposition blocs, the National Front and National Coalition, will likely be figures friendly to India— ranging from former foreign minister Abdullah Abdullah to Hanif Atmar. Karzai-linked candidates are more sympathetic to Pakistan —but more Indian military aid will lock them into the relationship.

Finally, India can adopt a more muscular posture on the Line of Control. Estimates suggest about a third of Pakistan's 500,000-strong army is committed to counter-terrorist operations in its North-West. Indian troops have given at least as good as they've got on the Line of Control, staging several eye-for-an-eye raids across the Line of Control to punish Pakistani attacks. The government's been loath, though, to up the stakes, for fear for the ceasefire falling apart. If India reconsiders that strategy, though, it can threaten to make Pakistan more vulnerable to domestic terrorism by forcing it to pull troops eastwards.

The one option India doesn't have is to do nothing. For a decade now, India has ridden on the back of historically-anomalous geo-strategic springtime: the restraining presence of the United States, a war between Pakistan and the jihadists it long patronised, and a favourable international climate, driven by record economic growth. Now, events suggest, a harsh winter could again be descending.
 

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First . let more than 12 and a half lakh boys / girls appear for NDA / CDS written exam, more than the JEE ( MAIN).
Sec. leave it to the UPSC to shortlist them.
Third. our SSB's are competent at filtering the best of the best.
Fourth. a volunteer professional Army is better than a drafted one for sure.
Fifth. train hard and save the Nation. period.
 

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Is govt inaction/verbal action somehow connected to Hawala money?
 

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Make 15 years military service mandatory for all men from the age 19
Joining Armed forces should not mean that everyone are made soldiers, but everyone must be trained like soldiers and all the recruited personals must be used for all purposes.....
Yes... it helps the nation at wide and each person will know his responsibility even after he comes out of the Army. The whole nation will be in a good position. There will be no thieves and rowdies, upto some extent as youth will get jobs and will come to know the better side of life rather than roaming on the streets and also the count of rapes will reduce as youth would act like an ARMY personal and will maintain dignity as they will gain respect of being a soldier....
What about scientists, engineers, doctors, artists etc. 15 years of military training is unfeasible.
 

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next time if they attack us, we should capture their men and put to public trial in New Delhi. For murder without provocation and than hang them.
 

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next time if they attack us, we should capture their men and put to public trial in New Delhi. For murder without provocation and than hang them.
I have a better idea open all paki facing river dams /flood gate and create a delebrate man made flooding in Paki Punjab and POK Kashmir...........this will yellow pant nawab saab from his own lahori bandars................
 
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Unprovoked attacks shouldn't be seen in the same light as civilian murder, we shouldn't be using the term 'murder,' or playing victim in the aftermath. This isn't a "Jessica Lal murder" scandal that just happened. We shouldn't make our candle makers any richer than they are. This is a military incident, it was a ceasefire violation, and we should dispense political will needed to use the same dirty tactics, infiltrate saboteurs into their territory, and destabilize PoK. History has shown that each time Pakistan (or even China for that matter), were shown that India will strike back, each toned down their posturing. Wars are not won by dying for the country, they're won by making the enemy die for their's, in a famous American General's words.
 
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A strong service chief can do wonders for the nation and moral of armed forces. In 1967, we had FM Manekshaw as in charge of that area and he forced GOI to react, in 1986, we had Gen Sundarji who forced Rajiv to react and we all know what happened thereafter.
The present COAS is a coward who will not force or talk tough with politicians to force them to react.
To add his daughter-in-law happens to be from the other side of the border. I was reading in the paper today that the US cancelled the visa of a Kashmiri girl when they found out her uncle happened to be a former militant, over here we make people whose daughter-in-law is from a nation with nukes pointed at us, the COAS.
 

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Recruit them...... Stop reservation in Armed Forces recruitment and see the dedication and physical fitness of the person and train them to become officers. Make 15 years military service mandatory for all men from the age 19.....
Seriously?


wats the use when ur army is under Equipped

wat is the use when u have dhoti wale netas and safari suit wale babus
 

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