DGP Roy seemed PR-hungry during 26/11
XCLUSIVE INTERVIEW/ .K. DUTT, FORMER DIRECTOR-GENERAL, NATIONAL SECURITY GUARD
By Anupam Dasgupta/New Delhi
Sarvatra Sarvottam Suraksha (Constant comprehensive security) is their credo. They are the men in black, the men who brightened India's dark November, saved lives and salvaged a nation's wounded pride. From November 26 to 29, 2008, hundreds of hours of news footage was shot in Mumbai as the National Security Guard (NSG) went about eliminating the nine Pakistani terrorists who killed 173 people. Operation Black Tornado over, the heroes disappeared, taking their two dead brothers with them—Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan and Havildar Gajendra Singh Bhist.
Twenty-three months later, J.K. Dutt, the then NSG director-general, talked to THE WEEK for five hours, sharing the wows and woes of the operation. The interview was held in New Delhi, at the India International Centre and later at Dutt's Vasant Kunj residence.
He said that a senior babu from Delhi had called him during the operation and said: "Yaar Dutt, ye kab tak chalega [Hey Dutt, how long will this go on]? Send in your commandos and crush those guys, even if that means losing a few of your men."
The soldier in Dutt was thunderstruck by the speaker's callous approach to uniformed lives. "I was not prepared to lose a single man," said Dutt. "Even today, when I look back at the operation, I see Sandeep's and Gajendra's deaths as too many deaths [not as two deaths]." Sandeep was shot dead at the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower hotel and Gajendra died in the heli-borne operation at Nariman House.
A 1972-batch Indian Police Service officer from the West Bengal cadre, Dutt said he was deeply disappointed by the way in which then Maharashtra Director General of Police A.N. Roy handled himself and his force. "The DGP appeared more interested in PR than getting deeply involved in the situation," said Dutt. "Roy called me up twice to inquire if Maharashtra Home Minister R.R. Patil could pay a visit to the Taj. That was something definitely not desirable of the DGP at that point."
The NSG was handicapped by misinformation and lack of information, said Dutt. In the interview he detailed the botch-up where the then Intelligence Bureau director P.C. Haldar sent him a cellphone number saying it belonged to a hostage in Nariman House. The phone actually belonged to a terrorist! Dutt said Haldar "acted in good faith". He also spoke about an exclusive bit of misinformation—the 'secret, sea-facing tunnel' under the Taj!
Dutt was at the NSG base in Manesar, Haryana, when he saw the 26/11 attack on TV. While the TV anchor dismissed it as a gang war, Dutt's gut instinct said otherwise. He alerted his men and waited. At midnight, Cabinet Secretary K.M. Chandrasekhar called to say there were foreign terrorists in Mumbai. At 12:50 a.m. on November 27, Chandrasekhar called again. The message was brief: Maharashtra chief minister Vilasrao Deshmukh had asked for NSG assistance.
Dutt called Haldar and asked for all the information they had. The IB was already intercepting cellphone traffic between the terrorists and their Pakistani handlers, with active help from the US.
In a way, Dutt was handicapped as his two key aides were on leave—Major General A.K. Gupta, IG (Operations), and Brigadier S.C. Rangi, the force commander. He asked an air vice marshal if Gupta could be flown from Dehradun to Mumbai. But the air vice marshal advised against a night airlift from Dehradun. Dutt then asked Gupta to fly to Mumbai asap. Rangi was in Rohtak, Haryana, for a wedding.
In the run-up to Operation Black Tornado, Dutt was in touch with Chandrasekhar, Madhukar Gupta, the home secretary, who was abroad, and Sanjeev Tripathi, who was heading the aviation research centre of the Research and Analysis Wing.
So, 200 NSG commandos led by Dutt and Brigadier G.S. Sisodia, IG (Operations & training), reached Palam airport's technical centre at 2:00 a.m. on November 27, 2008. With them was a sniffer dog, who would later nose out the body of the ninth terrorist from under the wreckage in the Taj.
At 3:00 a.m., the 152ft Ilyushin thundered down the runway and disappeared into the night. Once airborne, Dutt briefed his men, dividing them into hits of counter assault teams and counter sniper teams. A hit is the smallest operational unit of the NSG. Next stop: Mumbai.
Excerpts from the interview:
26/11 was a complex and sophisticated attack, complete with strategic, surgical and diversionary hits by the terrorists. Your take.
Correct. Their overall plan was carefully vetted. The execution, too, was done with considerable finesse. So there is no denying an overarching operational sync between the geographically separated hits.
The real challenge for the NSG was to fight them in the hotels and in Nariman House. In the initial hours, the terrorists remained largely unpredictable, moving from room to room. The assault teams' primary objective was to swiftly eliminate them before the hostages began getting killed.
While you clear a room, you dominate the room by quickly interchanging positions and in the end you overwhelm the terrorists. You also have to neutralise simultaneous threats. Then you begin exerting control over the situation and start securing hostages.
Please take us through the run-up.
I was mentally prepared much before the NSG was formally requisitioned. During the briefing session in the aircraft I told the men that this operation would test their mettle and would be very different from everything we had done so far. My men got the message loud and clear.
What happened in Mumbai?
Touchdown was at around 5:00 a.m. I then accompanied Union home minister Shivraj Patil to the Maharashtra Raj Bhavan to meet top state officials. Meanwhile, my men went to the Mumbai Police control room to be briefed, and then they moved to the sites.
Patil was criticised for not visiting any of the sites. Why was he in such a haste to fly back to Delhi?
I cannot comment on the haste. But after the Raj Bhavan meeting got over, I requested him to go to the Taj and have a look. A first-hand feel, I meant. He told me that he cannot visit the hotel as he had to be back in Delhi to brief Sonia Gandhi. At 8:30 a.m., he left for Delhi.
Wasn't Patil being very irresponsible?
No comments. It is up to you to interpret and pass judgments.
You were in touch with Haldar always.
Yes. Before leaving for Mumbai, I sought inputs from him and he was always forthcoming. In those initial hours it was difficult to vouch for precise numbers and definitive facts. I never got a sacrosanct figure about the number of terrorists.
Only during the last leg of our operation inside the Taj did Haldar tell me that I had to account for 10 Kalashnikovs. Even Sandra Samuel [the nanny who fled with baby Moshe Holtzberg from Nariman House] told me that there were at least five terrorists inside the house. I met her at the Colaba police station.
Early on November 28, 2008, Haldar passed on a cellphone number to you. But it was not what he thought it was.
Yes, he gave me the number saying it belonged to a Nariman House hostage. He said, 'Try and establish contact. You can collect whatever information you want about the terrorists.' As I was about to dial the number, he called me and stopped me saying the number belonged to a terrorist.
If you had called the number, the outcome could have been disastrous. So, Haldar almost botched up the Nariman House operation?
If the terrorist had posed as a hostage, it would have infinitely complicated problems. We could have been led into a trap. Especially because Nariman House was inside a heavily constructed urban pocket. But even if I had called that number, I would have tried to confirm if the person was indeed a hostage.
Coming to your second question, Haldar was acting in good faith. At least that was what I felt during my interactions with him.
Was the R&AW secretary in touch with you?
No.
A.N. Roy appeared very casual during the crisis. You visited his Colaba office every day. How did you find him?
Yes, I made it a point to meet him personally at his office, which is a stone's throw from Taj. The DGP appeared more interested in PR than getting deeply involved in the situation. I always felt that was no time at all to exchange pleasantries or courtesies.
What else struck you as gratuitous and avoidable on Roy's part?
There were many ministers in his office. It struck me as unusual that Roy was always surrounded by politicians. It is said that he also volunteered information from Kasab's immediate interrogation. I thought it was too sensitive to be shared openly.
You mean Roy was telling politicians about Kasab's confessions? Did he appear pandering to them?
Yes, I meant precisely that. My answer to the second part of your question is, yes, in a sense.
Was Roy reluctant to handle the situation?
Reluctance might not be the word. But certain things did not happen the ideal way.
THE WEEK (Nov. 29, 2009) reported that on November 28, 2008, Roy and R.R. Patil had instructed then Mumbai police commissioner Hasan Gafoor to withdraw the NSG. Roy apparently wanted the Mumbai Police to take over.
I read about it in THE WEEK. But no one, politician or policeman, ever got in touch with me with any such request. So I reserve my comments.
Did you feel Roy was dabbling in unimportant matters?
Yes. Roy called me up twice to inquire if R.R. Patil could pay a visit to the Taj. I squarely told him that I did not want the minister to come to the Taj as the operation was peaking. I told him this when he first called. But he insisted that Patil be allowed to pay a visit. It was something definitely not desirable of the DGP at that time.
Who else from Delhi was in touch with you?
Two or three top bureaucrats in the government were in touch with me. I kept getting SMSes and calls from them.
Did any of them try to interfere with your running of the operation?
A very senior Delhi bureaucrat called me up and said, 'Yaar Dutt, ye kab tak chalega [Hey Dutt, how long will this go on]? Send in your commandos and crush those guys, even if that means losing a few of your men.'
You were in constant touch with the cabinet secretary and the home secretary.
As things unfolded in Mumbai, I kept the home secretary and the cabinet secretary posted. At the same time, three senior Delhi bureaucrats kept texting me and tried to instruct me how to sustain the operation!
What was your reply?
I took my own decisions. In consultation with my senior commanders, I decided whether it would be a top-down or a bottom-up movement at Nariman House. We chose to rappel down from a helicopter; 18 NSGs landed on the roof of the house.
Were you in touch with M.K. Narayanan, the then national security adviser?
He called me once and said, 'Try to get the terrorists alive. One live terrorist caught from the scene of action will give us more information than [nine] dead terrorists.' I later met him to present the operations report. We talked about a few things that had to do with the NSG's operational aspects.
Did you discuss the weaknesses that were revealed during the operation?
Those are ingredients of the operational basket. I should not be discussing them.
Was the Taj operation challenging?
It was a difficult operation. But since my men had been trained in 'building takedowns', we were slightly initiated that way. More problems happened because the terrorists moved into the heritage wing through the corridor that linked it with the newer Taj Towers.
Marine commandos told us that there may be two or three terrorists in the Taj. The Marcos had a brief skirmish with them when they were moving toward the heritage wing.
Was there anything else confusing you in the Taj?
A Taj employee told me the hotel had a tunnel that opened into the sea. I decided to ensure the four terrorists did not escape that way. It posed many response dilemmas for me. It was much later that a senior Taj official told me that he was not aware of any such tunnel!
About operations at Oberoi-Trident.
Initially, we thought there was only one Oberoi. But upon reaching Mumbai we understood that the Oberoi and Trident are independent structures. So the strategy was changed accordingly.
The Mumbai Police's failure was total. Your take.
There was total breakdown of policing in Mumbai that day onwards. I was shuttling in the city when the attacks were continuing. I did not spot enough policemen on the streets. That was strikingly stark.
I strongly believe that terrorist action in Cama Hospital and Rang Bhavan area was happenstance. The terrorists [Kasab and Ismail] should have been contained and cornered inside the hospital by the police. [The terrorists killed ATS chief Hemant Karkare, Additional Commissioner Ashok Kamte and encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar near Rang Bhavan alley.]
Who all met you in Delhi?
I do not think anyone from the security establishment was eager to learn about the NSG operations. The Prime Minister gave me 30 minutes and inquired about every operational detail.
Was there an offer of foreign assistance?
It was entertained for a brief while, I guess. If I had sought operational assistance then, it would have immediately shown the NSG as incompetent to deal with the situation. But I told myself and my men that we would be winning this battle. I also told Haldar that this was no quick-fix job. In such situations, one has to wait a while to hear positive things.
I can tell you that the US was willing to help us out when the attacks were launched. It was with active US assistance that our security agencies were intercepting the cellphone traffic between the terrorists and their handlers in Pakistan.
About counter-terrorism preparedness and operational competence of elite units like the NSG.
We have to reduce bottlenecks in procuring effective gizmos for our crack teams. The NSG chief should not wait for the Centre's nod to reach out to manufacturers of such gadgets. The Mumbai attacks highlighted the need for having certain very effective, bespoke resources.
What are these resources?
Let's not discuss them. I had put it in my observations, before I retired as NSG chief. I think the government would do well to address these deficiencies.
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