21 injured in clashes in Sri Lanka over China port deal

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The crux of this issue is no longer "land acquistion", or "sovereignty" IF it's true that most of land is STATE OWNED already.

POLITICS is always tricky. :biggrin2: Those who are strongly against the port deal are the same people i.e. Rajapaksa-headed opposition that was labelled as Chinese buddies. Now with swap of roles, opposing for opposing's sake (sugar-coated in some lofty parlance)??

My wild guess is current Lankan govmt is more likely to toughen up than budge from the deal. It turns out nothing to do with land, but rather a testing moment for their resolution and credibility. Like Chinese usually put, kowtow to intimidation = LOSE FACE = weak leadership. :playball:


Sri Lanka hails China's intention to invest in southern economic zone
This is one of the inherent weaknesses of the Chinese, they don't know how the elected governments function.

Elected Governments don't "toughen" their stand, they negotiate, educate and try to calm the tempers down. Intent of the government doesn't matter if it looses the public support.

Any toughening of the government position, any reckless behavior on it's part can turn a small demonstration into a large protest, and the government always looses, people always win.

Loss of Face is a less scary proposition compared to Loosing an Election.
 

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@HeinzGud, @salute, @IndianHawk,

There is no need to compare Japanese brand cars and Indian brand cars, regardless of where they are made.

Japanese brands, along with German and Italian brands, are way ahead of the rest of the world as far as automobiles are concerned. They have built an image by producing world class cars for decades. Indian brands do not carry that brand value, even if they are reasonably good.

There are two things working against Indian brands:
  1. Quality and refinement.
  2. Long tradition contributing to brand value.
yeah , obviously japanese , italians , germans companies are way ahead than indian automobiles companies especially if their luxury and sports cars manufacturing is considered ,
these foreign automobile companys work very hard for their brand value of their product ,
indian automobile companys dont even got a single car brand of these segments ,

because indian automobile companys lacks ingenuity and innovation like them probably because of restraints of money or budget of the company and so because of that they cannot hire brilliant engineers for new innovations ,

and also brilliant engineers not gonna want their screw driver jobs either as most of their jobs are exactly that ,

and dont know if these foreign companys manufacture or export small or medium budget cars but saying that indian automobile companys are not good enough for srilankans is an overstatement like most srilankans buys nothing less than lexus .

 

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here is ....
chines not get easily..control. like ....
Pakistan....Gwader and POK Area
africa 's some natural resource ..
also many in world ..Chinese Illegally own land for their develop military facility...
 

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There is no need to compare Japanese brand cars and Indian brand car
I was not comparing Indian brands. But rather talking about cars made in India of any brand.

Also even while talking about Indian brands we need to take into account that Indian own global brands too like mahindra owns ssyanyong moters from Korea , Tata own Jaguar etc.

That being said mostly you get what you pay:biggrin2: German and European brands build fantastic cars but they also burn a hole in pocket.
 

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This is one of the inherent weaknesses of the Chinese, they don't know how the elected governments function.

Elected Governments don't "toughen" their stand, they negotiate, educate and try to calm the tempers down. Intent of the government doesn't matter if it looses the public support.

Any toughening of the government position, any reckless behavior on it's part can turn a small demonstration into a large protest, and the government always looses, people always win.

Loss of Face is a less scary proposition compared to Loosing an Election.
Thank you for your free lecture on PEOPLE, GOVERNMENT and ELECTIONS.

FACE in Chinese lexicon is not to be taken at face value. When Chinese say someone has a "BIG FACE", it actually means that one has a proven track to get things done or honor his commitment etc. so that that one is trustworthy, and he means what he says. So others will "BUY his FACE" when the one initiates something, makes a request or mediate... alike. People look for a consistent behavorial pattern.

LOSING FACE implies his reliability is dented. So Chinese may say Indian Rupee loses face indeed. So much trust people had put on those scraps of paper called "legal tender" that was supposed to keep things floating!

Back to the port deal, u talks of "public support" vaguely. It's up to Lankans to do a in-depth analysis of PUBLIC since the public is never a monolith === SOME are really concerned (land owners involved). SOME (the opposition) are not direct 'stakeholders" , just trying to score brown points by taking advantage of the situation. The [silent] majority, hmmm - SOME are glad for the upcoming opportunites while others are indifferent.

So by so-called "toughening", it in fact speaks to the targeted audience. Those on the hedge may get a clearer picture, not to be misled by sensational loudspeakers - "colonization" blah blah.
 
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I was not comparing Indian brands. But rather talking about cars made in India of any brand.

Also even while talking about Indian brands we need to take into account that Indian own global brands too like mahindra owns ssyanyong moters from Korea , Tata own Jaguar etc.

That being said mostly you get what you pay:biggrin2: German and European brands build fantastic cars but they also burn a hole in pocket.
Yes, I agree. When a famous brand, say Toyota builds cars in India, they will not only be of high quality, but will also carry the weight of the brand name. However, if Tata builds a car of the same quality, it will not carry that much weight.

Anyway, I do not wish to digress too much.
 

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Thank you for your free lecture on PEOPLE, GOVERNMENT and ELECTIONS.
Sorry for going OT, but I couldn't help but chuckle at the irony of Chinese pointing out at 'free lectures'. I just came out of a thread after reading a Chinese member saying 'India should go for Chinese HSR rather than Japanese'. @Martian also does the same regularly saying India should... Philippines should.... Japan should... Vietnam should ... and so on. CCP does the same thing on an international scale. Just find it ironic that you are quick to point out 'lecturing' from others :)
 

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Sorry for going OT, but I couldn't help but chuckle at the irony of Chinese pointing out at 'free lectures'. I just came out of a thread after reading a Chinese member saying 'India should go for Chinese HSR rather than Japanese'. @Martian also does the same regularly saying India should... Philippines should.... Japan should... Vietnam should ... and so on. CCP does the same thing on an international scale. Just find it ironic that you are quick to point out 'lecturing' from others :)
It's up to the readers to decide if there're grains of salt in the "lectures".

Or free to reciprocate with another lecture.

Echoing your Chinese HSR vs Japanese == Just take a look at a MAP. China is continental vastly and Japan an narrow archipelago. Therefore HSRs are spreading their wings across China. But Japan, phewwwww, there's not much room for HSR. So who is able to test their HSR tech more?



So far, only Taiwan adopted Japan HSR. But China... Turkey - completed, Ethiopia-Djibouti. And more, Hungary-Serbia, Indonesia...

All in all, FACTS speak louder than LECTURES.
 

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It's up to the readers to decide if there're grains of salt in the "lectures".

Or free to reciprocate with another lecture.

Echoing your Chinese HSR vs Japanese == Just take a look at a MAP. China is continental vastly and Japan an narrow archipelago. Therefore HSRs are spreading their wings across China. But Japan, phewwwww, there's not much room for HSR. So who is able to test their HSR tech more?



So far, only Taiwan adopted Japan HSR. But China... Turkey - completed, Ethiopia-Djibouti. And more, Hungary-Serbia, Indonesia...

All in all, FACTS speak louder than LECTURES.
You want me to do something distateful just because others are doing it? No thanks.


Japan has been building and running HSR for as Long as anyone and more importantly has a spotless record while operating in one of the worlds most earthquake prone areas. If you can afford such a system from people who are massively experienced, why go for cheaper product from newcomers? Especially when China is known for its geopolitical stunts and aiding and shielding known terrorists in Pakistan operating against India. Not the peaceful, spiritual kind that CCP calls terrorists. The kind wielding AK47 and RPGs. No opposition party will allow to ink such a deal even IF, and that's a big IF Modi wanted to. Nit even remotely. Besides, Indian railways are in no short of funds.

I do apologise for the BS emote though. Didn't mean to put it there.
 

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You want me to do something distateful just because others are doing it? No thanks.


Japan has been building and running HSR for as Long as anyone and more importantly has a spotless record while operating in one of the worlds most earthquake prone areas. If you can afford such a system from people who are massively experienced, why go for cheaper product from newcomers? Especially when China is known for its geopolitical stunts and aiding and shielding known terrorists in Pakistan operating against India. Not the peaceful, spiritual kind that CCP calls terrorists. The kind wielding AK47 and RPGs. No opposition party will allow to ink such a deal even IF, and that's a big IF Modi wanted to. Nit even remotely. Besides, Indian railways are in no short of funds.

I do apologise for the BS emote though. Didn't mean to put it there.
U have made great points but NOT NEW when u try to distinguish two types of terrorists
"The kind wielding AK47 and RPGs" vs. "peaceful, spiritual kind" in your words
:troll:

Let's agree to disagree.
 

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U have made great points but NOT NEW when u try to distinguish two types of terrorists
"The kind wielding AK47 and RPGs" vs. "peaceful, spiritual kind" in your words
:troll:

Let's agree to disagree.
Yes but only one reference is sarcastic. It's up to you to decide which one it is.

Good that even you started to try trolling. Which means you cannot come up with a good argument. :) Have a good day ahead.
 

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China is continental vastly and Japan an narrow archipelago. Therefore HSRs are spreading their wings across China. But Japan, phewwwww, there's not much room for HSR.
Valid argument. But it works in favour of India. India alone provides Japanese a bigger market than what china has captured till now or will Capture in near future.

Also since Japanese don't have much room for domestic expansion they won't hesitate to implement best of their technology in India. They have abundance capital and an stagnant economy.

INDIA Japan is a match made in heaven.
:biggrin2:
 

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Thank you for your free lecture on PEOPLE, GOVERNMENT and ELECTIONS.

FACE in Chinese lexicon is not to be taken at face value. When Chinese say someone has a "BIG FACE", it actually means that one has a proven track to get things done or honor his commitment etc. so that that one is trustworthy, and he means what he says. So others will "BUY his FACE" when the one initiates something, makes a request or mediate... alike. People look for a consistent behavorial pattern.

LOSING FACE implies his reliability is dented. So Chinese may say Indian Rupee loses face indeed. So much trust people had put on those scraps of paper called "legal tender" that was supposed to keep things floating!

Back to the port deal, u talks of "public support" vaguely. It's up to Lankans to do a in-depth analysis of PUBLIC since the public is never a monolith === SOME are really concerned (land owners involved). SOME (the opposition) are not direct 'stakeholders" , just trying to score brown points by taking advantage of the situation. The [silent] majority, hmmm - SOME are glad for the upcoming opportunites while others are indifferent.

So by so-called "toughening", it in fact speaks to the targeted audience. Those on the hedge may get a clearer picture, not to be misled by sensational loudspeakers - "colonization" blah blah.
Chinese standards are different, that is how CCP tyrants managed to subjugate and rule over billions of Chinese masses, Chinese are slaves of their government. Don't try to judge others using your moral standards.

China will ultimately suffer the same fate like Hitler's Germany or USSR: Implode.

For a government, it's voters are it's primary audience, governments who go against the will of the public loose face.
 
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