1962: The Nehruvian Blunder

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Nehru's mishandling of 1962 and lessons the Indian establishment must learn.

1962: The Nehruvian Blunder
By Bharat Verma


Pt Jawahar Lal Nehru being shown Zojila by Lt Col Sukhdev Singh , CO 1st Patiala


In any future conflict, New Delhi's political will and the capabilities of the Indian military should be such that China and Pakistan are hard-pressed to defend Tibet and Lahore respectively instead of threatening Arunachal and Kashmir.

This is the foremost lesson of the humiliating defeat in 1962.

The oft-repeated rhetoric that 'We will not allow 1962 to repeat itself,' is a defeatist refrain revealing a sense of acute anxiety. Indian history is witness to the fact that defensive warfare is a loser's game. We continue to hide behind the fortress mentality of the past. And therefore, in the event of conflict in the future, despite the rhetoric, India is doomed to face another humiliating debacle.

"¦if we generate offensive capabilities and flaunt it with an aim-plus to liberate large areas of Tibet, China will stand deterred.
In the last fifty years, the government did not build infrastructure in the Northeast or alternatively provide aerial wherewithal to enhance the mobility of the troops. Chinese, therefore will score goals by over running a fair amount of Indian Territory, simply bypassing major Indian defenses. However, if we generate offensive capabilities and flaunt it with an aim-plus to liberate large areas of Tibet, China will stand deterred. In the Indian Ocean, the message by the Indian Navy should be similar on transit.

To win, one must always take the war to the enemy on multiple fronts by military, economic and diplomatic means. Also, the threat can be minimised by creation of alliances based on the Principle of 'an enemy's enemy is a friend'. Exploit the opportunity as the national interests of India and the USA in this respect coincide – both need to contain China. The Western Alliance, Japan, Taiwan, South Korea and countries such as Vietnam boast of similar synergy of purpose.

New Delhi will also need political leadership made of sterner stuff, with feet planted on terra firma and who refuse to blink, unlike Nehru. This possibly is the most difficult proposition in the current Indian environment!

"It is not the business of the C-in-C to tell the PM who is going to attack us where. In fact the Chinese will defend our NEFA Frontier. You mind only Kashmir and Pakistan."
When apprised by General Cariappa of the Chinese threat, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru flared up and said, "It is not the business of the C-in-C to tell the PM who is going to attack us where. In fact the Chinese will defend our NEFA Frontier. You mind only Kashmir and Pakistan."

Using commonsense, if Nehru had made three discerning observations, he would have patted his C-in-C on the back with promises to spruce up military capability immediately. First, Mao's claims based on 1946 Chinese maps that Tibet was the palm of a hand and its five fingers were Ladakh, Sikkim, Nepal, Bhutan and NEFA and all were Chinese territories that needed to be liberated, was adequate to alert even a mediocre political leadership of the looming threat. Second, by slaughtering millions of innocents to take over the reins of China, Mao displayed unusual ruthlessness. South Block should have felt the heat of such a brutal adversary, who also claimed large chunks of the Indian territory. Third, despite assurances, Tibet was invaded and forcibly occupied by the PLA. This trait of deception and falsehood is unusually high amongst the Chinese and Pakistani leadership.

After taking over China, the Communists invaded Tibet and were next door to Nehru's India and yet New Delhi remained in blissful slumber.

Interpretations of events in the neighbourhood did not require any 'genius' or advice from the Anglo-Saxons or the Indian Intelligence Bureau. Did Nehru actually believe that he could have had his way with the Chinese simply by 'turning the other cheek'?

Nehru was being 'unreal'!

The Chinese mounted a well-prepared attack on India even as know-all Nehru riding the high horse, displayed disdain for the military with: "We don't need a defence plan, our policy is non-violence" or "We see no military threats, scrap the Army."

Will the leadership of any nation knock on the doors of the United Nations when it's army is winning?
In a hurry to emerge as the pre-eminent leader of Asia, he forgot to ask Beijing or Islamabad if they concurred with his beliefs or if they were willing to be led by him. It turned out to be a unilateral exercise and one-way conversation that landed India in deep trouble.

Will the leadership of any nation knock on the doors of the United Nations when it's army is winning? In 1948, the Indian Army was on a winning spree in Jammu and Kashmir and it was merely a matter of time before Pakistani invaders were ejected from the entire state. But Nehru halted the forward march of the Indian Army and approached the UN.

Refusing to learn, he repeated the mistake in 1962 when the Indian Army had plenty of Brigades in reserve, though ill-clad and ill-equipped, and a superior air power at its disposal. Another folly Nehru committed was by not seeking the advice of his military commanders. Instead he politicised and diluted the military command and control structure by inflicting upon it an unqualified and incompetent General in the lead role who fell sick and pretended to command the corps in the thick of war from his sickbed in New Delhi.

India thus inherited perpetual twin-security headache due to the serious mistakes committed by the first Prime Minister. Sixty-five years later, thanks to Nehruvian policies, China and Pakistan pose an integrated two-front nightmare while the Indian armed forces remain disjointed and lack integration. In addition to the multiple enemies, including the insurgents, the Indian Armed Forces have to battle with the Ministry of Defence for their legitimate dues.

The PLA onslaught in 1962 saw the Indian defenses crumbling. Nehru felt that the Chinese would walk away with the entire eastern sector. In desperation he wrote to Kennedy for immediate dispatch of military aid of twelve squadrons of supersonic all-weather fighters and the setting up of radar communications.

India had adequate army brigades in reserve to launch a counter attack in coordination with the Air Force.
Nehru's IB Chief B.N Mullick warned that the Chinese would bomb Indian cities in case the IAF was employed in a combat role. Due to lack of objectivity, the Prime Minister could not discern that since there had been a colossal intelligence failure by Mullick's agency, the advice was in any case suspect. Mullick was clueless on matters military. American Ambassador Galbraith proffered similar advice over- estimating Chinese capabilities. Strange but true, Nehru did not seek the professional advice of his Chief of the Air Staff who was confident that the IAF had the capability to turn the tide.

India had adequate army brigades in reserve to launch a counter attack in coordination with the Air Force. The Chinese Air Force was weak in comparison and positioned far away without midair refueling capabilities. Across the border, Chinese infrastructure was fragile and the supply lines were long and vulnerable. Their appreciation was correct that in any well-planned counter attack by India, the PLA would be hard-pressed to defend itself, particularly as harsh winters were setting in. The Chinese, therefore, intelligently announced unilateral ceasefire and withdrawal from some areas.

Instead of planning a bold counter-attack, Nehru, who had lost his nerves totally by now, was relieved and took the bait.

If the political leadership gets unnerved with a few initial reverses, it has a cascading effect demoralising the military instantly. Listening to professional advice rendered by the military is critical. In 1971, Indira Gandhi was wiser, listening to her military commanders and the Indian Armed Forces delivered victory.

Proper integration of the military to form theatre commands and cross-integration of the Ministry of Defence with Services Headquarters to enhance professionalism, are essential if India wants to ensure that in a future conflict, the adversary is hard pressed to defend Tibet or Lahore, instead of attempting to unhook Arunachal or Kashmir.
 

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If the political leadership gets unnerved with a few initial reverses, it has a cascading effect demoralising the military instantly. Listening to professional advice rendered by the military is critical. In 1971, Indira Gandhi was wiser, listening to her military commanders and the Indian Armed Forces delivered victory.
How does India's current PM compare with Nehru and Gandhi?
 

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How does India's current PM compare with Nehru and Gandhi?
thats a good qn that deserves an answer from the resident indians - as an nri, looking at things from the outside my take is that he is moderate but no pacifist ...adequate defence while not being aggressive .....his main defence project should be to indigenise our colossal purchasing by manufacturing at home ....not sure how he scores on that ,....would be good to hear from the resident indian members on that one
 

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there should be an "s" added to the last word of the title
 

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Every one knows that the present PM is weak.
On the day china issued a statement saying," we will give stapledpaper visa on seperate paper and won't seal the passports of indian citizen in J&K and arunachal pradesh as these areas are disputed",
The indian government should have immediately annnonced the same measures will be implemented for tibetian citizens , and should have made some noises on strategic relationship with US.

But even when the chinese refused to accept india's northern military commander's visit as a part of the delegation,
the present government just cancelled the visit and started to resume military to military contact after a couple of years without a protest.
After 50 years there is still no motorable two lane road to tawang .

What would the chinese government think about our PM's resolve?
 
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Leaving that all aside NEHRU's myopic vision of socialism and alliance with russia was deeply exposed by the chinese.We should thank the chinese for that.
Nehru immediately climbed down from non aligned high horse and begged kennedy for aircrafts and american pilots to fly them.

The same kind of myopic vision once again returned on the indian leaders who blissfully continued on socialist path till 1993.It took the first real non -nehru family prime minister narashima rao to set the course to capitalism.

The chinese perfectly timed their invasion to coincide with he 1962 cuban missile crisis and USSR ssimply washed it's hands of us.
But there are many maniacs in this very forum who still proclaim that russia is our strategic friend and we should buy billions of dollars worth military equipment without questions to keep this relationship.

They would not have been born when YELSTIN simply watered down the indo-soviet strategic treaty to just indo-russian friendship treaty simply saying that russia cannot assume the strategic responsibilities of the former USSR..

much worse from nehru onwards every congress PM deeply mistrusts the indian military chief while keeping frienship with chinese leadership.
Even today V.K.Singh was summarily thrown out of office before retirement for questioning the gravy train called TATRA-BEML jv.
 
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If you read indian newspaper like THE HINDU you can find many articles written by left wing historians holding nheru's foolish forward policy was the reason for the war and they all depict chinese as injured angels!!!!!!!

Never a word on how chinese cleverly timed the war with cuban missile crisis at it's peak and ran away once it was resolved won't find a mention at all!!!!

There is one bud head TIMES correspondent named 'NEVILE MAXXELL" WHO WROTE A BOOK CALLED"India's china war"!!!!
who will be quoted liberally by this left wing historians.

In a recent interview with outlook


http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?282579

This guy still peddle's the same line.Indians attacked china and chinese were angel spirited and they are the aggrieved.
According to him there are UGHHH school and AGGH schools in britain which have different visions regarding the soverignity of china over tibet.
He was convinced by one of these schools so he is the final authority on the matter of tibet's slavery to china.
He boldly claims indians should give up every thing and the mac mohan line is illegal.



In their view chinese wanted to teach a lesseon to indi.The headmaster disciplining an errand child like INDIA, and they withdrew with honour once indian's were disciplined.
 
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"China Was The Aggrieved; India, Aggressor In '62" | Kai Friese

The inteviewer was obviously very pliant, considering the stern questions posed to narendra modi why our interviewrs treat these guys like royalties is a mystery to me

The man MAO who slaughtered millions of his country man with famine in the form of great leap forward and imprisoned 100s of thousands in the name of cultural revolution is hailed as the man who brought great development to china.

According to the author under mao china had already become the biggest deliverer of people from poverty to middle class status by 1962 itself!!!!.

So it was his responsibility to continue this noble job in tibet and arunachal pradesh!!!

There can be a no bigger lie than this. MAO killed 4 million people in the famine following his policy of great leap forward driving peasants into unviable industrial products there by slashing food production. Then to cover it all he neither took steps to import food from the rest of the world as it will expose his great leap forward into the ABYSS.

Then to quel dissent he unleashed cultural revolution and imprisoned and killes 100s of thousands ordinary chinese on the mere suspicion ,
After seeing his glorious revoulutions the chinese communist party simply packed him off and brought back DENG who was purged and placed under house arrest by him to bring economic reform.

But the author sings all together a different tune in the interview portraying mao as the messiah of poor!!!!


The indians were foolishly opposing this glorious mission of MAO , and his great urge to deliver this glorious revolutions like great leap forward and cultural revolution into tibet and arunachal pradesh!!!!!

he simply derides the prevalent economic condition of the then tibet as serf like fuedal.Totslly forgetting that whole world outside the western nations were like that only in those time.He supports the slavery of tibetians and migration of han chines into tibet and self immolation of tibetian monks are not reflective of the kind of enlightment brought by the chinese.

SO his war on india was justified.
The author predicted the demise of indian democracy and state in i967 election!!!!!!!!!
Must be disappointed like hell for that to not happen.
Worse dailies like HINDU still treat his views as gospel often quoting from his filthy book INDIA's CHINA WAr. note the mischief in the title itself.



Totally glossing over the fact that the deng xio ping who was purged by MAO was responsible for the economic reforms implicitly admitting that the communism has failed with these famous words that 'it does not matter what color is the cat as long as it catches rat".
 
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By muscling up to India, what is China seeking to achieve? The present situation, ominously, is no different in several key aspects from the one that prevailed in the run-up to the 1962 war.

● The aim of "Mao's India war" in 1962, as Harvard scholar Roderick MacFarquhar has called it, was largely political: to cut India to size by demolishing what it represented—a democratic alternative to China's autocracy. The swiftness and force with which Mao Zedong defeated India helped discredit the Indian model, boost China's international image, and consolidate Mao's internal power. The return of the China-India pairing decades later riles Beijing.

● Just as the Dalai Lama's flight to India in 1959 set the stage for the Chinese military attack, the exiled Tibetan leader today has become a bigger challenge for China than ever. The continuing security clampdown across the Tibetan plateau since the March 2008 Tibetan uprising parallels the harsh Chinese crackdown in Tibet during 1959-62.

● The prevailing pattern of cross-frontier incursions and other border incidents is no different than the situation that led up to the 1962 war. Yet, India is repeating the same mistake by playing down the Chinese intrusions. Gratuitously stretching the truth, Indian officials say the incursions are the result of differing perceptions about the line of control. But which side has refused to define the line of control? It speaks for itself that China hasn't offered this excuse. The fact is that Chinese forces are intruding even into Utttarakhand—the only sector where the line of control has been clarified by an exchange of maps—and into Sikkim, whose 206-km border with Tibet is recognised by Beijing.

● The 1962 war occurred against the backdrop of China instigating and arming insurgents in India's northeast. Although such Chinese activities ceased after Mao's death, China has come full circle today, with Chinese-made arms increasingly flowing into guerrilla ranks in northeast India via Burmese front organisations. In fact, Pakistan-based terrorists targeting India also rely on Chinese arms.

● China's pre-1962 psychological war is returning. In recent years, Beijing has employed its state-run media and nationalistic websites to warn of another armed conflict. It is a throwback to the coarse rhetoric China had used in its build-up to the 1962 war. Its People's Daily, for example, has warned India to weigh "the consequences of a potential confrontation with China." China merrily builds strategic projects in an internationally disputed area like PoK but responds with crude threats when others explore just for oil in the South China Sea.

● Just as India in the early 1960s retreated to a defensive position in the border negotiations after having undermined its leverage through a formal acceptance of the "Tibet region of China," the spotlight now is on China's revived Tibet-linked claim to Arunachal rather than on the core issue, Tibet itself. India, with its focus on process than results, has remained locked in continuous border negotiations with China since 1981—the longest and the most-fruitless process between any two nations post-Second World War. This process has only aided China's containment-with-engagement strategy.

● In the same way that India under Nehru unwittingly created the context to embolden Beijing to wage aggression, New Delhi is again staring at the consequences of a mismanagement of relations. The more China's trade surplus with India has swelled—jumping from $2 billion in 2002 to more than $30 billion now—the greater has been its condescension toward India. To make matters worse, the insidious, V.K. Krishna Menon-style shadow has returned to haunt Indian defence management and policy. India has never had more clueless defence and foreign ministers or a weaker Prime Minister with a credibility problem than it does today.
Dragon's Familiar Dance | Stagecraft and Statecraft
 

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timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/Mao-ordered-1962-war-to-regain-CPC-control-reveals-Chinese-strategist/articleshow/16851136.cms

"BEIJING: China's late strongman Mao Zedong had launched the 1962 war with India to regain control of the ruling Communist Party after the debacle of his 'Great Leap Forward' movement in which millions had perished.

This was stated by top Chinese strategist Wang Jisi, adding a new dimension to the conflict ahead of the 50th anniversary of the war on Saturday.

"The war was a tragedy. It was not necessary," Wang, Dean of the School of International Studies at Peking University and member of the Foreign Policy Advisory Committee of the Chinese Foreign Ministry, told PTI here."


But Mao had to do something to enhance his prestige. Cuban Missile crises provided the opportunity in the form of Soviet Union's obsession with the crises. According to some analysts Com.Kruschev factually nodded his head when Chinese diplomats hinted about China's intentions against India. This is only an assumption though it could have been true.

Maxwell had a coloured view about India 50 years back and he has not bothered to reform himself. He is a jehadi of another type. He can see great virtues in the leaders of a totalitarian regime and only weaknesses in thoses nurturing the roots of democracy. Remember his prediction of no elections in India after the 4th general election in 1967 and how he had to eat crow in his own good old England for such prejudiced and precarious prediction.He must have been a fan of Katherine Mayo author of 'Mother India'( termed as report of a drain inspector by Mahatma Gandhi
 
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How does India's current PM compare with Nehru and Gandhi?
Good chap.

He is the Indian version of Peter Pan in his never-ending childhood adventuring on the small island of Neverland as the leader of his gang the Lost Boys, interacting with mermaids, Americans, fairies, pirates (and in the Indian adaptation with the Chinese and Pakistanis), with Wendy Darling, whom he recruited to be his "mother".

 

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[video]http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/walk-the-talk/walk-the-talk-with-1962-war-veterans/251545?video-justadded[/video]
 

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nehru become PM instead of sardar because of gandhi so we can add this to gandhian blunders list which goes miles
ADMIN should consider another category of LIKE called "LIKE SADLY" or "SAD LIKE " ....and when i liked nata's post ( and indeed Ray´s just above too ) both likes were of the "SAD " type

gandhi-ji's name escapes a lot of the finger-pointing because he was more overtly spiritual and he didnt FORMALLY hold a government position in the cabinet and therefore was not personally responsible for the absolutely crazy decisions like the give away of G-baltistan and A-chin ......

........and i agree that the list goes miles !
 
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one further point - should we be speaking of these nehruvian blunders as if they are things of the past ??

my hunch ( as i am nri abroad and not in direct contact with life in india ) and to those of you home based it might not be a hunch but more rather obvious to you , that the spirit of nehru ( the blunder part of it ) is still very much alive and doing rather well even in today's india - long after he physically left us

disclaimer : really believe me , i'm not taking it out personally on him , he was a fine man , first-class gentleman , too muchh of a gentleman - would have been a SUPERB univ professor "emeritus" or whatever but not PM nor in any defence capacity .....and the fact remains that most of his defence decisions were blunders
 
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one further point - should we be speaking of these nehruvian blunders as if they are things of the past ??

my hunch ( as i am nri abroad and not in direct contact with life in india ) and to those of you home based it might not be a hunch but more rather obvious to you , that the spirit of nehru ( the blunder part of it ) is still very much alive and doing rather well even in today's india - long after he physically left us

disclaimer : really believe me , i'm not taking it out personally on him , but fact remains that they were blunders
Dynastic congress is keeping those blunders alive and intact. :frusty:
 

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Good chap.

He is the Indian version of Peter Pan in his never-ending childhood adventuring on the small island of Neverland as the leader of his gang the Lost Boys, interacting with mermaids, Americans, fairies, pirates (and in the Indian adaptation with the Chinese and Pakistanis), with Wendy Darling, whom he recruited to be his "mother".

Yet another colourfull visual painted by Brigadier Ray. I have to get creative as well to compete with you. Enjoyed reading every bit of it.
 

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