168 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI Presently Flying In The Indian Air Force [IAF]

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A rough estimate, based on open-source information.
The number of Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighter aircrafts currently in service with the Indian Air Force [IAF] has been a recurring theme of discussion & debate among military enthusiasts online. Not helping matters one bit has been the characteristic Indian practice of placing orders in batches ["....with the option to acquire XXX more in the future...."], keeping track of which often become a topic in itself. Since the last time, there has been some developments & additional information in the public domain to go by.

An article in this month's 'Take-Off' magazine has encapsulated the road to acquisition, so far. This, backed by statements from the Chairman of HAL, that makes these planes in India, help arrive at a close estimate of the number of these aircrafts currently with the IAF. Tabulating the data available.

Airframes Inducted/To Be Inducted
Sr. No. Year Agreement Was Signed Number Of Airframes Remarks
1 1996 50 Includes 18 'K' & 'MK' variant of the aircrafts which were subsequently returned
2 October 2000 140 License Manufacturing in India
3 2007 40
Complete Knock-Down [CKD] kits, to be assembled in India

4 2007 18
Replacement for the 'K' & 'MK' variants, mentioned earlier

5 December 2012 42
Complete Knock-Down [CKD] Kits, to be assembled in India. Includes replacements for the Airframes lost in 2009

290
Airframes Returned/Lost In Accidents
Sr. No.

Date/Year Of Occurence

Number Of Airframes

Remarks

1
2003

18
'K' & 'Mk' Variant Of The Aircraft Returned

2
April 2009

1
Accident

3
November 2009

1
Accident

4
December 2011

1
Accident

5
February 2013

1
Accident


22


Thus, if we are to assume no more decision is taken to acquire additional airframes, a possibility that can not be entirely discounted, in the final tally the IAF would have flown 272 airframes of the MKI variant of the aircraft. This number, from the 50 aircraft induction originally envisaged in the early-mid 90s. The reason for this can be attributed to multiple factors, significant ones being high satisfaction with the performance of a platform specifically customised to IAF's requirements, depleting fleet strength due to end of service life of existing aircrafts & corresponding convenience in ramping up production of the 'Flanker'. Factoring in the non-MKI variants too, the number of Su-30s in IAF colours would then rise to 290. If the Flankers suffer no more loss of airframes due to accidents, 268 of them could retire at the end of its service life.

Airframes Delivered, So Far
Sr. No.

Year Of Agreement/Delivery

Number Of Airframes

Remarks

1 1996 50
Original Contract

2 Until February 2013 122
Includes those airframes made from the CKD kits supplied as part of the 2007 deal

172
Compared to the December 2012 quote from the Chairman of HAL, mentioned in the magazine, during his talk at the 'Aero India 2013 Seminar' in early February 2013, he updated his statement stating 122 airframes had been delivered till then. The HAL has an average build capacity of ~12 airframes a year - one airframe a month1. It, however, may or may not be the case that literally one 'Flanker' gets added to the IAF fleet each month. In absence of case specific data, one has to draw conclusions from standard practices elsewhere. Normal batch production technique entails working simultaneously on multiple workpieces, whose work would finally be completed at around the same time. Applying this template, the arrangement could involve inducting a specific number of aircraft at a time, followed by some months when no aircrafts are inducted. Considering that the Chairman, Mr HK Tyagi, increased the number of aircrafts delivered to the IAF by 3, within 3 months [119 in Dec '12 Vs 122 in Feb '13], one could conclude that aircrafts are built in batches of 3, requiring 3 months for completing each fighter. Another possible production method involves staggering the initiation of building airframes, such that at the end of each month one aircraft gets built fully, with the others in different stages of incompletion - the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter [JSF] aircraft production line would be the most modern implementation of this mature concept. The IAF has also lost 4 airframes, thereby placing its current 'Flanker' strength at 168.

In either case, it would be safe to add 3 aircrafts every 3 months, starting February, to the 168 delivered till the start of February, to arrive at an estimated number of 'Flanker' in the IAF at that moment. Thus, in April 2013 the IAF could be flying 171 fighters, the number rising to 174 in July 2013.

The magazine issue also contains updates on the flight-test programme of the T-50 PAK-FA, Russian fifth generation fighter aircraft, including news about the fifth & last prototype of the aircraft that is currently being assembled. Subsequent aircraft would be identified as the 'Limited Series Production [LSP]' variant.

Current issue: Take-off magazine February 2013

Godspeed

Related: Look Maa, No Hands!!

1 = a quick calculation puts the number at close to 14 a year [119 airframes until the end of 2012, with the first delivered approximately 8 years back, in November 2004]. This slightly higher number could be attributed to the fact that the 119 Su-30s handed over also include those built using the CKD kits directly imported from Russia [2007 deal]. These would have taken lesser time to put together, compared to those airframes that HAL built, whose components are being progressively sourced from local supply vendors in India. Thus, the average number of these aircraft built each year should be around 12, as also declared in the Indian Parliament. Despite efforts to ramp up production to 16 a year, there appears to have been no success, judging from the Chairman's speech.
168 Sukhoi Su-30 MKI Presently Flying In The Indian Air Force [IAF] - AA Me, IN
interesting estimate of the present strength of Su-30MKIs in IAF service.but does anyone know whether we have ordered an extra 18 Su-30MKIs for the same no. of MK/K variant returned to Russia in 2003:confused:?
 

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i have heard 1 MKI is crashed 3 days back in rajasthan due to tech snag:rofl::p:p
 

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interesting estimate of the present strength of Su-30MKIs in IAF service.but does anyone know whether we have ordered an extra 18 Su-30MKIs for the same no. of MK/K variant returned to Russia in 2003:confused:?
Deliveries of the 18 MKIs were done in 2007 and completed in 2009. They replaced the 18 Su-30Ks.

The Ks were returned to Russia in 2010, rather they were sent to Belarus.
 

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Just 168 Su's for a country of 1.2 billion and having 2 big enemies? :dude:
 

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Just 168 Su's for a country of 1.2 billion and having 2 big enemies? :dude:
buddy another lot of about 100 Su-30MKI will join the IAF in the near future and then there's the state of the art Rafale coming in the next couple of years.so by 2020 we'll be having 270+ Su-30MKIs(you never know whether the MOD will order another tranche of these beasts in the near future) plus about 100 Rafales(i hope IAF exercise the option of buying the additional 63 Rafales along with the current lot of 126 of them).then again we have around 49 upgraded Morage-2000-5MK2 and around 68 Mig-29UPG and if all goes well then probably 4-5 squadrons of LCA-MK2.so i wouldn't be so disappointed if i were you:cool2:!
 

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BR says that 18 K & MK version were actually upgraded to MKI standard and not returned.

Sukhoi Su-30 MKI [Flanker] [www.bharat-rakshak.com]
Well, they are wrong.

IAF received spanking new MKIs in a buy back offer.

The 18Ks are sitting in Belarus today.

Russia To Sell Old Su-30 Fighters To Belarus

Belarus will acquire Su-30 aircraft previously operated by India - News - Russian Aviation - RUAVIATION.COM
 

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Well, they are wrong.

IAF received spanking new MKIs in a buy back offer.

The 18Ks are sitting in Belarus today.

Russia To Sell Old Su-30 Fighters To Belarus

Belarus will acquire Su-30 aircraft previously operated by India - News - Russian Aviation - RUAVIATION.COM
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-multimedia/47496-aero-india-2013-pictures.html

On the above page, in post #7, you can see that the third pic from the last is a pic of MKI without canards. That means its not a brand new MKI but one of the older flankers upgraded to the MKI standard.
 

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Su-30K aircraft ( SB 001 to SB 008 ) , which was originally destined for Indonesia, was delivered in November 1999. second batch of 10 aircraft {SB 009 to SB 018} delivered in November 1999,



There are no SB-311 recorded as SU-30K, Perhaps optical illusion..


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-multimedia/47496-aero-india-2013-pictures.html

On the above page, in post #7, you can see that the third pic from the last is a pic of MKI without canards. That means its not a brand new MKI but one of the older flankers upgraded to the MKI standard.
 

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http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-multimedia/47496-aero-india-2013-pictures.html

On the above page, in post #7, you can see that the third pic from the last is a pic of MKI without canards. That means its not a brand new MKI but one of the older flankers upgraded to the MKI standard.
It is impossible to convert a production standard Su-30MK into a Su-30MKI in an upgrade. Utterly impossible.

Anyway, that's the Su-30MKI and the angle of the picture has perfectly hidden the canards.

SB 301 to 340 are from the 40 aircraft deal.

SB 051 to 068 are the aircraft (MKIs) that replaced SB 001 to 018 (MKs).

All HAL made models are between SB101 and SB240, for a total of 140 aircraft.

I am guessing the 42 extra MKIs will have numbers after SB240. Or could be SB4XX and so on.

Hope this clears all the confusion.
 
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According to World Air Forces 2013 IAF has 120 MKI in service as of Dec. 2012.

 

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According to World Air Forces 2013 IAF has 120 MKI in service as of Dec. 2012.

Doesn't seem right... 86 Rafales ordered? The current deal has always been 126 Rafales.
 

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Doesn't seem right... 86 Rafales ordered? The current deal has always been 126 Rafales.
Look down at Trainers, +40 = 126.
 

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According to World Air Forces 2013 IAF has 120 MKI in service as of Dec. 2012.

why does it say 10 more jags ordered and abt the no. of PMF(FGFA) nothing concrete is known. btw all the helos posted in combat helicopter r not actually attack helos at least not in the no. given.
LCA orders also seems a little suspicious, 40 mk-i initially after that mk-ii. in tanker it could hav shown A330MRTT as ordered.(same as rafale)
 

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why does it say 10 more jags ordered and abt the no. of PMF(FGFA) nothing concrete is known. btw all the helos posted in combat helicopter r not actually attack helos at least not in the no. given.
LCA orders also seems a little suspicious, 40 mk-i initially after that mk-ii. in tanker it could hav shown A330MRTT as ordered.(same as rafale)
Orders with an asterisk are unsigned and subject to change. There are 52,000 aircraft they must catalouge so specific configurations by type are not possible. MRTT was decided after Dec. 2012 when this was published.
 

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According to World Air Forces 2013 IAF has 120 MKI in service as of Dec. 2012.

We inducted 8th squadron of MKI in december. So figure of 120 aircraft cannot be correct.
 

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The MKI figure is nonsense.

We had 137 as of Dec 2011, IIRC.

HAL delivered 99 MKIs as of Nov 2011. Add that to the 50 delivered form Russia, that alone is 149. Apart from that, Russia has finished delivering all 40 from the 40 aircraft deal, so that's around 189 MKIs ready to fly today. We have two years of production left for the first 230 MKIs, supposed to end in the 2014-15 financial year. That's around 30 aircraft left, so we should have 200 today.

We are to have 10 squadrons by June. We have 8 squadrons today, all ready for combat. Two more squadrons are being raised in Punjab and the North East and will be combat ready in June, 2013. 10 squadrons alone make up around 200 aircraft, including trainers and reserves.
 

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