11 Dead in Shooting at French Satirical Weekly's Office in Paris

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Ex-MI6 Boss Warns West Not To Insult Islam


Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked, suggests ex-MI6 boss as he agrees with the Pope's Charlie Hebdo comments.

By Alistair Bunkall, Defence Correspondent

The former chief of MI6 has warned that anyone insulting Islam can expect to provoke a reaction and that "there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John Sawers was delivering his first speech since leaving office. He stepped down as 'C' in November 2014 after five years at the helm of the Secret Intelligence Service.

Sir John picked up on comments made by the Pope in reference to the provocative cartoons published in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, where 12 were killed in a terror attack. Al Qaeda said the attacks were revenge for the depiction of Mohammed.

Pope Francis told crowds in The Philippines that a friend who had cursed his mother could "expect a punch" in return.

Sir John said: "There is a requirement for restraint from those of us in the West.

"I rather agree with the Pope that, of course, the attacks in Paris were completely unacceptable and cannot be justified on any basis whatsoever, but I think respect for other people's religion is also an important part of this.

"If you show disrespect for others' core values then you are going to provoke an angry response. That doesn't justify anything, but I think we just need to bear it in mind."

Sir John praised the work of the intelligence and security agencies but reiterated the threat to the UK from terrorists: "If I was to sit here and say will the goalkeepers of the security services and the police keep every single attempt to get the ball into the net, out? No. At some point these threats will get through and there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John said there cannot be any "no-go areas" either in the physical or virtual world and said there cannot be a trade-off between security and privacy.

"If the technology companies allow to be developed, areas that are simply impenetrable, you're inviting problems," he warned.

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:hmm:

Wouldn't the better thing to do be arming the people. That makes much more sense.
An armed population deters such attacks.
How come they won't do that ?
I dont think its a good idea to arm people when radicals can go fanatical and shoot innocent civilians. Liberalisation of arms have such an issue. Even radicals will have free access to arms and weapons.

The point the state can consider is
1) Tighten control over illegal arms smuggling.
2) Increased security survilliance.
3) Keeping watch on migrant population who travel to and from terrorism prone areas.
4) Under taking special operations to lure the suspect and arrest him with evidence, as the US intelligence agency always does.

Like this: Terror suspect arrested outside Ohio gun store
Terror suspect arrested outside Ohio gun store
When Cornell left the store and walked to the parking lot of the business, he was arrested by the FBI Cincinnati Joint Terrorism Task Force.

Cornell, 20, of Green Township, is accused of using cyberspace to plot to assassinate congressional employees and attack the U.S. Capitol for his personal jihad. He was charged with attempted killing of U.S. government officers and possession of firearms in furtherance of an attempted crime of violence.


Also @sorcerer : By chance did you check about the thing I had asked earlier ?

That is, about the identity of the masked man.

Once again: How did the police etc identify the alleged assassins so quickly ? Both attackers wore balaclavas and yet both were identified almost immediately ? Also what happened to the third alleged suspect who surrendered himself to police saying he was innocent and had an alibi.
Any idea ?
Every article says : They have identified the attackers, but the means used for that is classified. IMO, the state agency must have had prior intelligence but must have lacked "actionable intelligence" to avert the incident.
There is also a news article that US had intel on this incident. May be they must have shared the data with French Authorities.


Following the tangled and treacherous trail after France terror attack
Following the tangled and treacherous trail after France terror attack - CNN.com
 
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French police arrest five Chechens suspected of preparing attack

PARIS Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:10pm EST
(Reuters) - Police arrested five Chechens in southern France on suspicion of preparing an attack, a police source said on Tuesday.

The source said four had been arrested in Montpellier or nearby, and a fifth in Beziers. Midi Libre newspaper reported that a cache of explosives was found during police searches.

The case has not been passed onto the anti-terrorist section of the Paris prosecutor's office, a judicial source said. TV station LCI said organized crime and score settling between Chechen gangs was at the source of the suspects' plan.

Russia's Foreign Ministry said its diplomats had confirmed to French authorities that five people detained by police were Russian citizens.

France remains on security alert after gunmen stormed the Paris offices of the Charle Hebdo newspaper on Jan. 7 and killed 12 people, in what they said was revenge for cartoons it had published mocking Islam. A further five people were killed during two more days of violence.

Hundreds of thousands of people protested in Russia's Chechnya region on Monday against what its Kremlin-backed leader called "vulgar and immoral" cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad published by Charlie Hebdo.

(Reporting by Nicolas Bertin, Additional reporting by Thomas Grove in Moscow, Writing by Andrew Callus and James Regan, Editing by Angus MacSwan)

French police arrest five Chechens suspected of preparing attack | Reuters
 

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Re: 11 killed in Paris Shooting incident

Jindal: Muslim establish 'no-go zones' outside civic control


When somebody dares to speak the truth, people get outrages :D
Jindal was talking out of his ass to appease his mentally challenged voter base. Fantasies about Islamist no go zones spreading from Europe to the United States excites Fox News conservatives as they reach for their guns with one hand while feverishly touching themselves with the other. Alas Jindal's hyperbolic statements do not hold up when analyzed objectively because they're nothing more than exaggerated tales.

This of course does not change the fact that there are major problems among Muslim communities (immigrant or otherwise) in Europe, particularly when it comes to assimilation.
 

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If the 'core values' are idiosyncratic and senile, expect an opinion that you would feel is insulting.

Tell me this, while you have been trying to impress the 'need for respecting islam', how many islamic teachings, preachers practice this with other religions. Do not the paki (and other muslim majority states) forums, talk shows, articles and cartoons criticize the jews, hindus and christians.... even with your evangelists, more than half of their repertoire is the ridicule of other religions. When you do that with impunity, expect a response.

Nevertheless, the golden rule is - if you shove your religion in my face, especially when it is fraught with racism, insult and crimes against humanity, dont cry when people tear it apart for what it is.

Ex-MI6 Boss Warns West Not To Insult Islam


Those who insult Islam should expect to be attacked, suggests ex-MI6 boss as he agrees with the Pope's Charlie Hebdo comments.

By Alistair Bunkall, Defence Correspondent

The former chief of MI6 has warned that anyone insulting Islam can expect to provoke a reaction and that "there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John Sawers was delivering his first speech since leaving office. He stepped down as 'C' in November 2014 after five years at the helm of the Secret Intelligence Service.

Sir John picked up on comments made by the Pope in reference to the provocative cartoons published in the French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, where 12 were killed in a terror attack. Al Qaeda said the attacks were revenge for the depiction of Mohammed.

Pope Francis told crowds in The Philippines that a friend who had cursed his mother could "expect a punch" in return.

Sir John said: "There is a requirement for restraint from those of us in the West.

"I rather agree with the Pope that, of course, the attacks in Paris were completely unacceptable and cannot be justified on any basis whatsoever, but I think respect for other people's religion is also an important part of this.

"If you show disrespect for others' core values then you are going to provoke an angry response. That doesn't justify anything, but I think we just need to bear it in mind."

Sir John praised the work of the intelligence and security agencies but reiterated the threat to the UK from terrorists: "If I was to sit here and say will the goalkeepers of the security services and the police keep every single attempt to get the ball into the net, out? No. At some point these threats will get through and there will be another terrorist attack in this country."

Sir John said there cannot be any "no-go areas" either in the physical or virtual world and said there cannot be a trade-off between security and privacy.

"If the technology companies allow to be developed, areas that are simply impenetrable, you're inviting problems," he warned.

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Re: 11 killed in Paris Shooting incident

There are no NOGO muslim areas in Europe but there are some rough neighbourhoods where no one in there right mind should go.
 

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France outlines new measures to tackle terrorism



French Prime Minister Manuel Valls has announced sweeping new measures to counter homegrown terrorism.

The plans include giving security forces better weapons and protection, hiring more intelligence agent hiring spree and creating a better database of anyone suspected of extremist links.

The new security measures also include increased intelligence-gathering on jihadis and other radicals, in part by making it easier to tap phones. Mr Valls said internet providers and social networks "have a legal responsibility under French law" to comply with the new measures.

In all, France will spend 425 million euro or £325 million over the next three years for all the counter-terror efforts, he said.

At least 2,600 counter-terrorism officers will be hired, 1,100 of them specifically for intelligence services. The Prime Minister said anti-terror surveillance is needed for 3,000 people with ties to France - some at home, others abroad.
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ohkay... now we can see a protest on 'invasion of privacy' by the French againt phone tapping- though authorities will do it anyway. But a protest picnic is a must for civilized societies.
 

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France anti-terror plan calls for hiring more intel agents

PARIS — Reeling from the Paris terror attacks, France announced broad new measures to fight homegrown terrorism like giving police better equipment and hiring more intelligence agents, as European officials sought to strike the right balance between rushing through tough counterterrorism laws and protecting treasured democratic rights.

Prime Minister Manuel Valls laid out the counterterrorism initiatives just as the Paris prosecutor announced preliminary charges against four men for allegedly providing logistical support to one of the attackers behind a three-day spree of violence this month that killed 17 people before the three gunmen were shot dead by police.

France plans to spend 425 million euros ($490 million) over the next three years for the new measures. They include leaning on Internet companies and social media to help in the fight, creating an improved database of suspected extremists, and increasing intelligence-gathering on jihadis and other radicals — in part by making it easier to tap phones. About 2,600 counter-terrorism officers will be hired, 1,100 of them specifically for intelligence services.

Meanwhile, at the European Union headquarters in Brussels, new efforts are being made to overcome privacy objections and make the sharing of air passenger information easier. But continental leaders warned also about going too far, at the risk of undermining individual rights that are a cornerstone of the European way of life.

"The last thing" is for Europeans "to change the nature of our open societies as a reaction to this threat. Because then, we would play into the hands of these terrorists," EU Vice President Frans Timmermans said.

Some calls have emerged for a European equivalent of the U.S. Patriot Act, which was passed within weeks of the Sept. 11 attacks, to strengthen the hand of authorities to prevent terrorism. Some of its components were controversial — like the unprecedented authority to search, seize, detain or eavesdrop in pursuit of suspected terrorists.

"That is not the way to go," Sophie In't Veld, a leading Liberal civil rights lawmaker at the European Parliament, told The Associated Press. "We should use more than two weeks to think about this, instead of rushing things through."

Isabelle Falque-Pierrotin, head of France's national data protection agency CNIL, told reporters her agency would insist that any additional snooping privileges for France's intelligence services should only be allowed if they are matched by greater protections for personal data.

France has repeatedly strengthened its counterterrorism laws over the years, including a measure passed in November that focused on preventing extremists from joining fighters abroad. One measure, set to be activated in the coming weeks, would allow authorities to ask Internet service providers to block sites that glorify terrorism.

Despite rights concerns, the EU feels it can move forward on several fronts and the first stop is airports.

Up to three new measures to better screen and detect suspect electronic devices carried onto flights are in the pipeline, said an official involved in drawing up the EU's new security strategy. He wasn't allowed to speak publicly about the process and wouldn't elaborate on the measures.

Authorities across the continent are concerned about more than 3,000 Europeans who have traveled to fight in Syria and Iraq, and have noted the difficulty in tracking them.
The three gunmen in the Paris attacks claimed allegiance to the Islamic State group and al-Qaida in Yemen.

More than 1,200 French citizens and residents are now linked to foreign jihad, French officials say. Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said Wednesday about 10 former French soldiers are among those who have gone to Syria or Iraq to fight with Islamic extremists, but insisted the phenomenon remains an "extreme rarity."

EU countries are pushing for a quick agreement on the sharing sensitive air passenger information. The bloc has passenger name record, or PNR, agreements with the U.S., Canada and Australia but has been unable to agree on one among its own 28 members.

The EU system would oblige airlines to provide the authorities with data on people entering or leaving the bloc, vital to tracing foreign fighters. Privacy concerns have stalled the legislation in the European Parliament. In frustration, some EU states have decided to go it alone with their own PNR-like systems and interconnect them with other partners.

On the ground, experts are looking at ways to check travel documents at the EU's borders to the outside world without stopping everybody. By law, only random checks are permitted to ensure that people do not pose a "genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat."

To be more present in the region, the EU aims to send security attaches to countries like Egypt and Yemen, and wants to help build the counter-terror capacity of countries in the Middle East, the Gulf and North Africa.

Recently France and Belgium have deployed soldiers in the streets, particularly around public buildings, but defending soft targets like supermarkets or sports events is the big challenge. French President Francois Hollande's office announced Wednesday that the government now plans to cut 7,500 fewer jobs from the military, to better fight terrorism.

Another major concern is private security guards. About 2.5 million work in Europe — five times the number of police. But their quality can differ greatly, and security companies compete heavily on prices. The EU will soon propose common standards to recruit, train and vet the private guards.

Some nations, like France, are even considering taking passports away from suspects because it is almost impossible to establish whether they might be joining the free Syrian rebels or IS.

Outlining a web of phone calls, shared keys and prison friendships, Paris Prosecutor Francois Molins announced Wednesday that the four suspects given preliminary charges overnight will remain behind bars while the investigation continues into the deadly Jan. 7-9 attacks on staff at the Charlie Hebdo satirical newspaper, a lone policewoman and at a kosher grocery. The gunmen, brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi and their friend, Amedy Coulibaly, died in standoffs with police.

All of the suspects, who are aged in their 20s, were arrested in the Paris region, Molins said. He identified them only as Willy P., Christophe R., Tonino G. and Mickael A. If convicted on the preliminary charges of criminal association with a terrorist organization, they could face up to 20 years in prison under French law.

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Karachi Anti-Charlie Protests Rage Again, Demand Action Against France





MOSCOW, January 22 (Sputnik) – Thousands marched through Karachi, Pakistan's largest city, against Charlie Hebdo for publishing cartoons of Muhammad, AFP reported. "Down with Charlie Hebdo! Down with the blasphemers!" the protesters chanted, according to RFI. The rally was led by Sarwat Ejaz Qadri, head of the Pakistani Sufi Muslim organization Sunni Tehreek, together with local politicians from Islamist parties, according to the Pakistani Herald. According to RFI, although the organization is opposed to the Taliban, they are vocal on issues such as blasphemy The protestors demanded that the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) and the United Nations (UN) act against what they consider a blasphemous publication, according to the Pakistan Herald.
The protest's leader, Sarwat Ejaz Qadri, also demanded that Pakistan cut diplomatic ties with France, as protesters burned a French flag, according to AFP. A rally against Charlie Hebdo in Karachi turned violent last Friday, when an AFP photographer was shot by one of the protesters, and police used tear gas and water cannons to disperse the protest. Rallies protesting against the cartoons were also held in the former French colonies of Niger, Mali, Senegal, Mauritania and Algeria. In Niger, ten people were killed during violent protests on Friday and Sunday.

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Australia's Ambivalence Toward Muslims

As Australia moves toward the 100th anniversary of its most "sacred" national day, the commemoration of the failed Gallipoli campaign in Turkey in 1915, it is struggling to come to terms with its Muslim community and where they fit in the national self-images of war and peace. On the one hand, several Australians have figured prominently as participants and even leaders in the military campaign of Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. On the other hand, on December 15 last year, a recidivist criminal taking on the mantle of Islamist terrorist took hostages in a central Sydney siege, leading to the deaths of two of them. Australia had seen terrorist-related bombings but this was the first terrorist incident in Australia involving hostages and their death.

The political context of this has at least two parts. The first is Australian military participation in the operations in Iraq against Islamic State under the leadership of the United States and on the invitation of the government of Iraq. The second is cultural revolt in Australia against people who are portrayed by some as looking and acting so differently from the traditional national self–image. This latter dimension was illustrated most negatively in 2014 when the speaker of the House of Representatives, Bronwyn Bishop, sought to segregate people wearing burqa or niqab in the public gallery of the parliament in an area behind a transparent glass security screen. The move was overturned after intervention by Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

In Australia, people identifying as members of the Islamic faith constitute about 2 per cent of the population, which is more than the Jewish population, but less than the populations of Christians (61 per cent), atheists (22 per cent), and Buddhists (2.5 per cent). Several leading Australian sports figures, such as aboriginal boxer Tony Mundine, have converted to Islam (following the example of American boxer Muhammad Ali).

Australia's political leaders and media commentators, very few of whom know anything meaningful about Islam, terrorism or the Middle East, are struggling to come to terms with the presence of Muslims in their community. The father of Joe Hockey, the current federal treasurer of Australia, was born in Bethlehem, with some Palestinian and Armenian lineage. Hockey made a celebrated speech in 2009 in which he said: "Australia has embraced religious diversity. It must always remain so, and as a member of parliament I am a custodian of that principle of tolerance. That is why it is disturbing to hear people rail against Muslims and Jews, or Pentecostals and Catholics."

A January 21 headline in The Australian, one of the country's leading broadsheet dailies, read, "Debate Islam's Place in the West Now." Both the headline and the accompanying commentary reveal a high level of ignorance of just how much the issue has already been debated and equal ignorance of the unjustified discrimination that Australian Muslims regularly suffer. This article actually cited in positive terms a statement by Egypt's (elected) dictator, Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, whose regime has undertaken unspeakable crimes of repression and massive human rights abuses, including of Australian journalist Peter Greste.

Muslim organizations in Australia cite as an example of discrimination a new law that criminalizes travel to designated zones (mostly intended to be in Muslim countries) as a means of stopping Australian Muslims from going to fight in Syria and Iraq, and providing for incarceration of returnees where evidence of their direct involvement in the fighting or in a terrorist organization may be hard to establish by normal evidentiary standards in court. Under amendments made in 2014 to the Criminal Code Act 1995, notably section 119, the Australian parliament made it an offense, punishable by ten years in jail, for Australians (citizens, residents and certain visa holders) to enter an area that has been declared by the Foreign Minister to be an area where "a listed terrorist organization is engaging in a hostile activity." While the provisions do not identify Muslims in particular, the only zone so declared so far is in Syria (Al Raqqah province). There has been little talk of making such declarations for localities in non-Muslim countries where terrorist organizations are known to be based.

The Australian National Imams Council has reacted strongly to these provisions, which place a burden of proof on the traveler. In a statement issued in October 2014, the Council said it "supports the concern of academics and community groups in Australia that the new travel offenses contained in the Bill are extreme and unnecessarily burdens people who may need to visit designated areas for innocent reasons such as religious pilgrimage. :pound:
We recommend that the declared area provision be removed or alternatively amended to include as part of the offense a specific illegitimate purpose for being in the area rather than the traveler being required to provide a legitimate defense."

The Australian law can be legitimated in part by the U.N. Security Council Resolution 2178 on September 24, 2014 that called on member states to prevent travel for terrorism purposes
, but the provisions of this law go further than those envisaged by the resolution.

Most Australians have yet to make a connection between their sacred Anzac Day commemorating the 1915 landing in Gallipoli by the British Empire Forces, including the Australia and New Zealand Army Corps (ANZAC), with the fact that their enemies then were Muslims. One can only hope that the new Russell Crowe movie The Water Diviner, where a prototypical Aussie male falls in love with a Muslim woman in a plot directly linked to the Gallipoli campaign, will help shift some of the Australian atavism toward Muslims.

Australia’s Ambivalence Toward Muslims | The Diplomat
 

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Most Australians are not ambivalent about Moslems. They are seen as a foreign and alien presence on our soil. Full stop! Deal with it, multiculturalists!
 

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Most Australians are not ambivalent about Moslems. They are seen as a foreign and alien presence on our soil. Full stop! Deal with it, multiculturalists!
Then it is time for you to take some remedial steps.

I am sure you are not hamstrung by votebank politics like the UK.

What actions are being taken?

What is being done to assimilate them into the Australian ethos and away from radicalism?
 

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"They force their world view onto us: 'We are the arrogant West and you Muslims have to accept our world view, you have to accept our freedoms ... to insult your prophet'," he told the crowd.
Quite right! Moslems ought not to take this from the arrogant West. I'd pack up and go and live in a Moslem country if I were them! Why live in the arrogant West when they can live in a beautiful, peaceful Moslem country!
 
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