10 Strongest Air Forces of the World

[HMS Astute]

fantastic and informative answers. much appreciated for your effort, and agree with everything written.

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

@p2prada; hi there ive been following your posts for a while and i have a question for you.
what are your views on 2 front war between india vs pak-chi. will india be battle ready before 2020 to win against these both nations?
what preparation must india do to win such war? more nukes ? more fighter aircrafts? what?

 

[p2prada]

@p2prada; hi there ive been following your posts for a while and i have a question for you.
what are your views on 2 front war between india vs pak-chi. will india be battle ready before 2020 to win against these both nations?
what preparation must india do to win such war? more nukes ? more fighter aircrafts? what?

2020 is too early to fight a two front war. While the air force's plan is well known, the problem is the army's modernization program has fallen way behind schedule. The army is not in a good position to fight the Pak Army today, forget about a two front war, or even just facing China. We didn't go to war against Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks because the Army Chief told the CCS (Cabinet Committee on Security) that we are not ready to fight.

First we need the new mountain strike crops setup followed by two new holding corps. That alone will take a decade. Then we have to give the F-INSAS program a push which is also a decade long program. Nobody knows when the army is going to be ready for a two-front war.

The air force needs more of everything. Trainers, fighter jets, pilots, support aircraft etc and more money.

Look at the bright side, China has bigger foes to face than bother with us. So, that gives us a temporary advantage because even they are not really ready for war against India and their eastern foes. And Modi is pissed. So, things may get faster from here on out.

 

[Ashutosh Lokhande]

@p2prada ; you really think india will loose the war if they engage with pakistan? really?
i tought maybe india doesnt even consider pak a threat anymore. excpet the nukes ofcourse.

 

[Blackwater]

@p2prada ; you really think india will loose the war if they engage with pakistan? really?
i tought maybe india doesnt even consider pak a threat anymore. excpet the nukes ofcourse.

that is the only course pakis have. pakis khote ha .min nahi lana button dabane me

 

[p2prada]

@p2prada ; you really think india will loose the war if they engage with pakistan? really?
i tought maybe india doesnt even consider pak a threat anymore. excpet the nukes ofcourse.

When countries go to war, or basically when a country intends to be the aggressor, it aims to have an overwhelming strength over the enemy. We don't have this overwhelming capability to fight Pakistan.

Right now we have more tanks and more men than them along with more money. But due to the slow progress of our modernization, we are not at the level required to fight the Pakistanis and win with minimum losses to our side. For eg: Our night fighting capabilities today is only restricted to the T-90s. Our T-72s are still night blind, except for some 300 odd tanks. We have recently ordered hundreds of thermal imagers, so until these are equipped we will have limited night fighting capabilities.

1,600 Indian T-72s Slated for Night Vision Upgrades | Defense Update:

Army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor, was quoted by Frontier India saying: "Indian Army's tanks have a night vision capability of 20 percent while Pakistani's have 80 percent and China has 100 percent".

So without fixing such issues we cannot go to war with Pak.

 

[Meriv90]

I wanted to ask if for you the only possible outcome with Pakistan is war, since from your posts it sounds like a fact.

Or it is "Si vis pacem, para bellum"?

 

[HMS Astute]

@p2prada thanks for your insight, but no disrespect and i disagree with you. imo (again imo) india has one of the worlds largest and formidable armed forces which can easily overwhelmed and outnumbered many countries in the world including pkst. i don't believe when people say india ain't ready to go to war against a country just next to it. i reckon even significantly smaller armed forces like the uk or france can beat them easily.

 

[CCP]

Look at the bright side, China has bigger foes to face than bother with us. So, that gives us a temporary advantage because even they are not really ready for war against India and their eastern foes. And Modi is pissed. So, things may get faster from here on out.

What makes you think China is not ready?

 

[HMS Astute]

What makes you think China is not ready?

no doubt china will be able to response to any threat in the region with great success, but it lacks blue water navy and expeditionary capabilities.

china is incapable of deploying it's troops to other side of the world. it lacks oversea military bases and territories as well.

even japan will give china a very tough fight without the american helps.

 

[CCP]

china is incapable of deploying it's troops to other side of the world. it lacks oversea military bases and territories as well.

We only need Asia for now.

even japan will give china a very tough fight without the american helps.

How?
with their 30 years old F-15J or limited amount of SAMs?

 

[HMS Astute]

How? with their 30 years old F-15J or limited amount of SAMs?

this is what european countries thought about germany before anything went ballistic. japan is a highly developed, wealthy and respectable country in many aspects. it has chosen to have only a limited defensive capability since the end of ww2 and same goes to germany. these countries play only a peacekeeping role, but they can easily, promptly and effectively rearm and obtain enormous offensive capability if anything kicks off in their backyard. both japan and germany spend very less on defence, only 1% of their gdp. if they do wish to maintain a massive armed forces, all they have to do is just increase about 2 to 3% of gdp on defence and they will have top notch and formidable offensive capability on the global stage. especially germany will be unstoppable if they go mental in this specific field with their resources, technology, and engineering. not to mention the fact that they are highly capable of producing intercontinental ballistic missiles on their own if they want to. it would be such a bloody war for china if it does anything stupid in that dangerous location. let alone the potential players such as south korea, malaysia, australia, vietnam, philipines, singapore, taiwan, and probably india etc which are most likely to form an alliance to stop the chinese aggression. we are not even talking about unchallengeable US military power in the region and the rest of nato countries. war is awful, and its the best to avoid any sensitive conflict which could lead to another global war.

 

[SajeevJino]

@p2prada thanks for your insight, but no disrespect and i disagree with you. imo (again imo) india has one of the worlds largest and formidable armed forces which can easily overwhelmed and outnumbered many countries in the world including pkst. i don't believe when people say india ain't ready to go to war against a country just next to it. i reckon even significantly smaller armed forces like the uk or france can beat them easily.

I think we will defeat Pakistan at any time .thanks to our Navy

But Our Army suffer severe Casualties .

 

[HMS Astute]

I think we will defeat Pakistan at any time .thanks to our Navy

But Our Army suffer severe Casualties .

not sure how india will fight a war against pk. but, if uk/franc/nato declared war on them, imo (scenario) we would definitely use the naval power at the initial stage to disable their defensive systems, sam launchers, military command centres, air/naval bases, communication systems, vital infrastructures including roads, railways and bridges as much as possible. after that, air forces could be sent in to knock out the remaining defensive capability and then the fighter jets/bombers can start bombing campaign to eliminate the ground forces tanks/vehicles/ and others simultaneously. finally, the special forces, MBTs and ground troops would be able to start doing their job after the guaranteed air cover is established. pk forces would be very ineffective after 2 weeks of bombing campaign, and they would be given options to change the regime, accept the new treaty and agreement or surrender. lol. yeah a bully indeed.

 

[CCP]

this is what european countries thought about germany before anything went ballistic. japan is a highly developed, wealthy and respectable country in many aspects. it has chosen to have only a limited defensive capability since the end of ww2 and same goes to germany. these countries play only a peacekeeping role, but they can easily, promptly and effectively rearm and obtain enormous offensive capability if anything kicks off in their backyard. both japan and germany spend very less on defence, only 1% of their gdp. if they do wish to maintain a massive armed forces, all they have to do is just increase about 2 to 3% of gdp on defence and they will have top notch and formidable offensive capability on the global stage. especially germany will be unstoppable if they go mental in this specific field with their resources, technology, and engineering. not to mention the fact that they are highly capable of producing intercontinental ballistic missiles on their own if they want to. it would be such a bloody war for china if it does anything stupid in that dangerous location. let alone the potential players such as south korea, malaysia, australia, vietnam, philipines, singapore, taiwan, and probably india etc which are most likely to form an alliance to stop the chinese aggression. we are not even talking about unchallengeable US military power in the region and the rest of nato countries. war is awful, and its the best to avoid any sensitive conflict which could lead to another global war.

1.China only spend 2.1% of us GDP, and Chines GDP is 2 times of Japan's. if we increase to 3% also, then that is 2 times as Japan's.
2.Can you build F-22 in 1 month or year?
3. Even US and Nato can not win a war with China in Asia, since the amount of bases for them are very limited in Asia and those bases will be destroyed in first wave attack.

 

[HMS Astute]

1.China only spend 2.1% of us GDP, and Chines GDP is 2 times of Japan's. if we increase to 3% also, then that is 2 times as Japan's.

it still does not mean japan won't be able to put a tough fight. history will repeat itself if you wish to see millions of chinese wiped off, same goes to any participants as well.

2.Can you build F-22 in 1 month or year?

you're being unrealistic. must be something wrong with your IQ, just immaturity and lack of knowledge.

3. Even US and Nato can not win a war with in Asia, since the amount of bases for them is very limited in Asia and will those bases be destroyed in first wave attack.

as of today nato has about 6000 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 70% of the world's total defence budget, $45 trillion economy, top notch technology, training, tactics, combat experiences, strategy, and 800 military bases around the world and unlimited amount of dirty chemical weapons, whereas china has 240 nuclear missiles, 9 trillion economy, inadequate naval capability, out dated technology and zero oversea military base, whatsoever. you do not want a war with your world's biggest customers who pay you, so you can continue running the business and make your country moving forward. i dont think we even have to go to war against you in the future due to the air pollution, high toxic levels, natural disasters and environmental problems there. these are the bigger problems for your troops and citizens. LOL.

 

[CCP]

it still does not mean japan won't be able to put a tough fight. history will repeat itself if you wish to see millions of chinese wiped off, same goes to any participants as well.

At WWII Chinese industrial is 1/50 Japan's , how about now?

you're being unrealistic. must be something wrong with your IQ, just immaturity and lack of knowledge.

well, You said

"but they can easily, promptly and effectively rearm and obtain enormous offensive capability if anything kicks off in their backyard."

So,
1.what kind of weapon Japanese need and how soon can come out?
2.nothing kicks off in their backyard so far?

as of today nato has about 6000 intercontinental ballistic missiles, 70% of the world's total defence budget, $45 trillion economy, top notch technology, training, tactics, combat experiences, strategy, and 800 military bases around the world and unlimited amount of dirty chemical weapons, whereas china has 240 nuclear missiles, 9 trillion economy, inadequate naval capability and technology and zero oversea military base. you do not want a war with your world's biggest customers who pay you, so you can continue running the business. i dont think we even have to go to war against you in the future due to the air pollution, high toxic levels, natural disasters and environmental problems there. these are the bigger problems for your troops and citizens. LOL.

1.In western reports , Chinese nuclear missiles amounts is not changed for 20 years.
2. We only need Asia for now, and we can cover that very nicely.
3. If the biggest customers can be derived out from Asia, the business lost is not a big deal.

 

[HMS Astute]

well, You said

don't think i ever mentioned about f22, plus it is not even an offensive capability.

1.So,what kind of weapon Japanese need and how soon can come out?

a lot more air defence networks to defend itself, sams, patriots, aegies or other destroyers capable of shooting down anything in the sky including icbm, all weather long range attack cruise missilse eg tom, advanced stealth subs to wipe off chinese navy fleet and prevent chinese ships from approaching near the jp territory, more land attack missiles to keep millions of chinese troops at bay, [dirtymodeon] chemical weapons and cluster bombs [/dirtymodeoff]

2.nothing kicks off in their backyard so far?

never heard about chinese declaration of war on its neighbours especially on japan.

1.In western reports , Chinese nuclear missiles amounts is not changed for 20 years.

as of today, china does not even have ssbn which the western nations have been operating since many decades ago.

2. We only need asia for now, and we can cover that very nicely.

agree, but bare in mind that nato can deploy about 15 aircraft carriers with around 1400 jets on board if necessary. each carrier will be escorted by at least 8 to 10 support ships including subs, destroyers, frigates, supply/tanker ships. its obvious you have the upper hand due to proximity, but it does not mean anything if you can't dominate the battlefield.

3. If the biggest customers can be derived out from Asia, the business lost is not a big deal.

i do not wish to go into details, but, as you know the west like to keep its factories in china due to it's workforce, ridiculously cheap labour cost and higher productivity rate.

 

[HMS Astute]

Source: 10 Strongest Air Forces of the World

Monday, October 28, 2013 By : Defence News

The top strongest air force in the world are chosen based on their history, and the size and might of the forces, as listed by Topyaps. Here is the list of top 10 strongest air forces in the world.

Nearly every country in the world has its own air force power to protect the interests of the country against external and internal enemies. The top strongest air force in the world are chosen based on their history, and the size and might of the forces, as listed by Topyaps. Here is the list of top 10 strongest air forces in the world.


United States Air Force (USA) ::
Russian Air Force (Russia) ::
Israeli Air Force (Israel) ::
Royal Air Force (United Kingdom) ::
People's Liberation Army Air Force (China) ::
Armee de I' Air (France) ::
Indian Air Force (India) ::
Luftwaffe (Germany) ::
Royal Australian Air Force (Australia) ::
Japan Air Self Defense Force (Japan) ::

here's another report by indian tv in may, 2014. ranking still seems the same...

http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/ind...air-forces-india-is-at-no-7-26845.html?page=6

i do not believe our tiny air force is stronger than both china and india LOL! the ranking must be a complete BS!

 

[SajeevJino]

not sure how india will fight a war against pk. but, if uk/franc/nato declared war on them, imo (scenario) we would definitely use the naval power at the initial stage to disable their defensive systems, sam launchers, military command centres, air/naval bases, communication systems, vital infrastructures including roads, railways and bridges as much as possible. after that, air forces could be sent in to knock out the remaining defensive capability and then the fighter jets/bombers can start bombing campaign to eliminate the ground forces tanks/vehicles/ and others simultaneously. finally, the special forces, MBTs and ground troops would be able to start doing their job after the guaranteed air cover is established. pk forces would be very ineffective after 2 weeks of bombing campaign, and they would be given options to change the regime, accept the new treaty and agreement or surrender. lol. yeah a bully indeed.

true ..the same tactics will be used ..along with barrage of Artillery Cover from Kashmir to Gujarat