1 in 200 men direct descendants of Genghis Khan

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Also, the descendants of Mongols were able to defeat the Delhi Sultanate and conquer northern India three centuries after Genghis Khan.
That may not have happened if the Delhi Sultans themselves were done away with....

Also the 'millions killed' might not be true as the common citizen was unlikely to fight the Mongols for the Delhi Sultans & only if there was resistance did the Mongols started their brutality..
 

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Also the 'millions killed' might not be true as the common citizen was unlikely to fight the Mongols for the Delhi Sultans & only if there was resistance did the Mongols started their brutality..
During the Mongol conquest of South China alone over 10 million civilians were killed. Chinese society was even less militarized than Indian society.

In many cases the Mongols routinely pillaged lands and depopulated entire regions simply to frighten neighboring kingdoms into surrender.
 
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That may not have happened if the Delhi Sultans themselves were done away with....

Also the 'millions killed' might not be true as the common citizen was unlikely to fight the Mongols for the Delhi Sultans & only if there was resistance did the Mongols started their brutality..
Mongols did not care about just taking out rulers, all civilians were killed along with the rulers, they wiped whole towns,cities, regions at a time. Many times even dogs and cats were not spared.
 

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part 1 of critically acclaimed movie on chengis khan's life, Mongol.
it covers the time from his childhood to his uniting the mongol tribes. strongly recommend it, the quality is stupendous.

the rest of the movie is available from the same uploader.
 
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Mongols did not care about just taking out rulers, all civilians were killed along with the rulers, they wiped whole towns,cities, regions at a time. Many times even dogs and cats were not spared.
not really different from any of the central asian tribes that invaded India, the huns, turks or mughals. babur was of turco mongol descent.
 

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Mongols did not care about just taking out rulers, all civilians were killed along with the rulers, they wiped whole towns,cities, regions at a time. Many times even dogs and cats were not spared.
Yes in iran they spared no one.
 

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it might be true, that guy was a true male ( mardh ). I mean he kept fuc*****king until his di****k died of exaustion , what do you expect would happen.
 

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I read somewhere that he fuccccked somewhere around 8000 woman in his entire carrier. I mean even an american male pornstar will pale in comparison.
 

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Ultimately man wants some cunt!...money, respect, power are only path to that.

Well obviously not gays.
 
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China finishes sequencing Genghis Khan descendant’s genome « India Current Affairs

China finishes sequencing Genghis Khan descendant's genome

Beijing, Dec 18 (IANS) China said Sunday that it has finished sequencing the genome of a direct descendant of Genghis Khan.

In 1206, a man known as Temujen was crowned Genghis Khan. His mounted Mongol army swept out of the steppes of Asia in an apocalyptic wave to conquer two-thirds of the known world, the Royal Alberta Museum said.

Zhou Huanmin, project leader and head of the biological research lab at the Inner Mongolia Agricultural University, said Sunday that this was the first individual genome sequencing of a Mongolian, Xinhua reported.

The blood donator was a male only identified as one of Genghis Khan's 34th-generation offspring from the Sunit tribe, which is based in Inner Mongolia's Xilingol prefecture.

Zhou said the research team will continue to sequence the genomes of another 199 ethnic Mongolians and build a database consisting of Mongolian genetic codes.

Zhou said the results of the genome mapping are important for the detection of ethnicity-specific genome inheritances and the evolutionary features of Mongolians, and will also contribute to medical research linked to the control of certain diseases.

There are about 10 million ethnic Mongolians living around the world, mainly in China's Inner Mongolia and Xinjiang Uyghur autonomous regions and Qinghai province, as well as Mongolia and Russia.
 

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Mongols have massacre the entire Baghdad and Yangzhou, some of most populated city back then. For Mongol, their strategy is if one man resist in one town. They wipe out entire town. If no one resist, they may just kill half of man and rape all their wife.

Lucky, History prove Barbarian will eventually defeated by civilization. Qing dynasty of China which also rule by Manchu(also barbarian before conquering China), contain Mongols by limiting their population and force all people to adopt to Buddhism, every mongol family can only have one son, the rest will be send to temples to be monks. Every mongol tribe have population quota, once pass the quota, they will be killed... In 1900s, less than 1 million ethnic mongols left, as compare to 12 millions Mongol at the end of Ming Dynasty.
 
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A Prolific Genghis Khan, It Seems, Helped People the World - New York Times



A Prolific Genghis Khan, It Seems, Helped People the World


A remarkable living legacy of the Mongol empire has been discovered by geneticists in a survey of human populations from the Caucasus to China.

They find that as many as 8 percent of the men dwelling in the confines of the former Mongol empire bear Y chromosomes that seem characteristic of the Mongol ruling house.

If so, some 16 million men, or half a percent of the world's male population, can probably claim descent from Genghis Khan.

The finding seems to be the first proof, on a genetic level, of the occurrence in humans of sexual selection, a form of sex-based natural selection in which a male or female has an unusual number of offspring. This process can greatly influence the genetic makeup of a species, resulting in otherwise puzzling features like the peacock's cumbersome tail.

The survey was conducted by Dr. Chris Tyler-Smith of Oxford University and geneticist colleagues in China, Pakistan, Uzbekistan and Mongolia. Over 10 years they collected blood from 16 populations that live in and around the former Mongol empire.


In the late 13th century the sons of Genghis Khan controlled territory that stretched from the Pacific coast of China to the Caspian Sea, spanning land now held by the Central Asian republics and the northeast corner of Iran.

Dr. Tyler-Smith's team analyzed the DNA of the Y chromosome, a part of the genome that is useful for establishing human lineages because, like a surname, it is passed down from father to son.

They found that a cluster of Y chromosomes carried a genetic signature showing they were closely related to one another and to a single founder chromosome in the recent past. These signature chromosomes were far more common than would be expected by chance among most of the populations living within the former Mongol empire. But none of the peoples outside the empire carried the chromosomes, except for the Hazara people of Pakistan and Afghanistan, former Mongol soldiers who claim descent from Genghis Khan.

Dr. Tyler-Smith said the signature chromosomes probably belonged to members of the Mongol ruling house. They could have become so common in part because of the rapes that occurred during the Mongol conquest, but more probably because the Mongol khans had access to large numbers of women in the captive territories they ruled for two centuries. An article about the geneticists' findings has been published electronically by The American Journal of Human Genetics.

Genghis Khan's sons and heirs ruled over the various khanates in his empire, and may well have used their position to establish large harems, especially if they followed their father's example. David Morgan, a historian of Mongol history at the University of Wisconsin, said Genghis's eldest son, Tushi, had 40 sons.

As for Genghis himself, Dr. Morgan cited a passage from 'Ata-Malik Juvaini, a Persian historian who wrote a long treatise on the Mongols in 1260.

Juvaini said: ''Of the issue of the race and lineage of Chingiz Khan, there are now living in the comfort of wealth and affluence more than 20,000. More than this I will not say . . . lest the readers of this history should accuse the writer of exaggeration and hyperbole and ask how from the loins of one man there could spring in so short a time so great a progeny.''

Dr. Morgan said that since Mongol rulers controlled a large area, it was ''perfectly plausible'' that they should have fathered many children. ''It's pretty clear what they were doing when they were not fighting,'' he said.

The Mongol rulers' apparent assiduity in propagating their genes has surprised even human behavioral ecologists, researchers who seek to explain many aspects of human society in terms of the pursuit of reproductive advantage.

''I think it's astonishing,'' said Dr. Robin Dunbar of the University of Liverpool, co-author of a leading textbook of human behavioral ecology. ''This is a staggering example of how a very small lineage can have a hugely disproportionate share of the descendant population.''

Dr. Dunbar said it was known that in tribes like the Yanomamo of Brazil, men of high status tended to have more children. But the Mongol study was the first to his knowledge to document this on a genetic level. ''It's exactly equivalent to elephant seals slogging it out on the beach -- a handful of males get all the matings,'' he said.

The practice may have been common in human history and would explain why so many male lineages have gone extinct, leaving a single survivor. It could also explain why ''Adam,'' the common ancestor of all Y chromosomes, seems to have lived much earlier than ''Eve,'' the common ancestor of all mitochondria, genetic elements passed down through the female line, Dr. Dunbar said. When some individuals have far more children than others, the formula for calculating the time to the common ancestor yields a much earlier date.

Dr. Tyler-Smith and his colleagues estimate that the common ancestor of the signature chromosomes they found in the Mongol empire populations lived in around A.D. 1000, 162 years before the birth of Genghis Khan. Dr. Morgan said, ''I see no reason why the family shouldn't have descended in a straight line'' from that time to Genghis Khan.

The geneticists' evidence for linking the cluster of signature chromosomes to Genghis Khan is necessarily indirect. The Mongol ruler was buried secretly and his tomb has not been found, let alone any bodily remains that might still harbor fragments of DNA. But the signature chromosomes are carried by only a fifth of present-day Mongolian men, suggesting they belonged to an elite group, presumably the lineage of Genghis Khan and his sons.

Dr. Tyler-Smith and his colleagues argue they have found a second link to Genghis Khan, through the Hazaras, whose oral tradition holds that some of them are his direct descendants. The fact that the Hazaras carry the signature chromosome confirms their oral tradition of descent from Genghis and suggests he carried the chromosome too, the geneticists say.

But historians find fault with this argument. Dr. Morris Rossabi, a Mongol expert at Columbia University, described the Hazaras' claim to be direct descendants of Genghis Khan as ''untenable.''

''They are descendants of troops and guards sent by Chinggis to this region, and I would be very suspicious about a genealogy based on their so-called oral traditions,'' Dr. Rossabi wrote in an e-mail message. (Chinggis is a more correct spelling of the familiar Genghis.)

The name Hazara, from the Persian word for ''thousand,'' suggests a Mongol military formation and the Hazaras do look Mongol, Dr. Morgan said, although unlike some villagers in Afghanistan who still speak archaic Mongol, the Hazaras themselves speak Dari, a form of Persian. Some Hazaras may have been Mongol soldiers but none of the imperial house ruled in Afghanistan, Dr. Morgan said, making it hard to argue that the Hazaras' signature chromosome comes directly from Genghis.

Asked if the Mongol rulers' vigorous propagation of their genes was default human behavior, given the opportunity, Dr. Dunbar laughed and said it was probably an extreme form, and not universal. But it illustrated the keen interest some men have in using their power and status to maximize their reproductive advantages, he said.
 
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Genghis Khan's Descendants: Pakistan's War Against The Hazara - International Business Times

Genghis Khan's Descendants: Pakistan's War Against The Hazara


One of Pakistan's leading politicians, former cricket star and chairman of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) party, Imran Khan, party condemned an attack on a bus that killed fifteen Shia Muslims from Iran on their way to the city of Quetta in Baluchistan.

The victims were of the Hazara ethnic group, a people who live in Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and have suffered a wave of killings over the past six months in Pakistan.

Hazara, who are distinguishable by their Mongolian features (they are believed to be the descendants of the soldiers of Genghis Khan), have been shot at, bombed at and stabbed in what appears to be a coordinated campaign of violence against this small ethnic group in Pakistan.

Since 2001, Pakistani media estimates, at least 800 Hazara have been slaughtered in the country.

Khan blamed the government for the worsening security situation in Baluchistan, warning that the province could sink into chaos. Expressing his condolences and solidarity with the Hazara people, Khan demanded that authorities punish Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ), an outlawed Islamic militant organization that took responsibility for the latest killings of Hazara.

LeJ has even written a letter to the Hazara community, warning them to leave Pakistan by the end of 2012.

The motivations for the mass murder of Hazara in Pakistan are complex and confounding. Some believe it is a case of fanatic Sunni Muslims killing Shias, other think it is simply a matter of ethnic prejudice, but some Hazara leaders say they are being wiped out due to geo-strategic issues engulfing both Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"The Hazaras are being systematically killed because they are anti-Taliban," said Tahir Khan Hazara, a political activist.

However, Baluchistan is also involved in its own insurgency movement, which the Pakistani government had brutally sought to crush. Some Hazara think that Pakistani security forces are killing Hazara to camouflage their persecution of Baloch nationalists.

Zaman Dehqanzada of the Hazara Democratic Party (HDP) alleges that Pakistani security forces are murdering Hazara to punish them for refusing the fight the Balochs.

"We are not going to destroy our relations with our brothers in Baluchistan," he said.
(The founder of HDP, Hussain Ali Yousufi, was himself murdered by LeJ on in early 2009.)

As Farsi-speaking Shias, some in Pakistan suspect the Hazara of being spies for Iran and perhaps conspiring to engineer a Shia revolution in overwhelmingly Sunni Pakistan.

Hazara suffered immense loss of life in Afghanistan when it was under Taliban control – tens of thousands were massacred. Taliban viewed the Hazara as loyal to the Northern Alliance government which strongly opposed the Taliban.

The chaos in Afghanistan forced tens of thousands of Hazara to flee to neighboring Pakistan and Iran.

Their lives in Pakistan are one of poverty and despair. Accroding to the Joshua Project, the Hazara are "looked down upon and despised by other ethnic groups [in Pakistan]. They are some of the poorest people of Pakistan and suffer an alarming array of health problems; eye diseases, leprosy, and tuberculosis are very common."
 
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Genes on the March - NYTimes.com

Genes on the March

MY mother always said I must be part Mongolian, because of my lotus-pale complexion and squid-ink black hair. "Something you're not telling me?" I was tempted to ask. But I knew she'd visited Mongolia with my father long after I was born. What I didn't know is that one out of every 200 males on earth is related to Genghis Khan.

An international team of geneticists conducting a 10-year study of men living in what once was the Mongolian empire has discovered that a surprisingly large number share the identical Y chromosome, which is passed down only from father to son. One individual's Y chromosome can be found in 16 million men in Asia, from Manchuria, near the Sea of Japan, to Uzbekistan and Afghanistan in Central Asia.

The likeliest candidate is Genghis Khan, a warlord who raped and pillaged one town after another, killing all the men and impregnating the women, sowing his seed from China to eastern Europe. Though legend credits Genghis Khan with many wives and offspring, he didn't need to do all the begetting himself to ensure that his genes would flourish. His sons inherited the identical Y chromosome from him, as did their sons and their sons' sons down a long, winding Silk Road of legitimate and illegitimate progeny.


Portrait of Genghis Khan, who through pillaging and raping created a vast number of descendants.
His equally warlike oldest son, Tushi, had 40 legitimate sons (and who knows how many misbegotten), and his grandson Kublai Khan, who figured so large in Marco Polo's life, had 22 sons. Their genes scattered exponentially in an ever widening fan, and the process really picked up speed in the 20th century, when cars, trains and airplanes began propelling genes around the planet and stretching the idea of "courting distance," which used to be only 12 miles — how far a man could ride on horseback to visit his sweetheart and return home the same day. Now it's commonplace to have children with someone from thousands of miles, even half a world, away.

Khan wasn't trying to create a world in his image; his fiercest instincts had a mind of their own, and his savage personality spurred them on. Most people don't run amok on murderous sprees, thank heavens, but history is awash with Khan-like wars and mayhem. In their wake, gene pools often change. One can only surmise that wiping out the genes of others and planting your own (what we call genocide) must come naturally to our kind, as it does to some other animals, from ants to lions.

Typically, wandering male lions attack a pride, drive off the other males and kill their offspring. Then they mate with the females, ensuring that only the invaders' genes will flourish. A colony of ants will slaughter millions of neighbors, provided they're not family (somehow they can spot or whiff geographically distant kin they haven't met before). Human history is riddled with similar dramas, but they are war's legacy, an unconscious motive, not a blueprint for action.

Except once. During World War II, Hitler and his henchmen devised an agenda, both political and genetic, that was nothing less than the Nazification of nature. The human cost is well known: the extermination of millions while, in baby farms scattered around Europe, robust SS men and blond, blue-eyed women produced thousands of babies to use as seed stock for Hitler's new master race. What's little known is that their scheme for redesigning nature didn't stop with people. The best soldiers needed to eat the best food, which Nazi biology argued could grow only from the purest of seeds. So using eugenics, a method of breeding to emphasize specific traits, the Nazis hoped to invade the genetic spirals of evolution, seize control and replace "unfit" foreign crops and livestock with pure ones.

To that end, they created an SS commando unit for botanical collection, which was ordered to raid the world's botanical gardens and institutes and steal the best specimens. Starting with Poland, they planned on using slave labor to drain about 100,000 square miles of wetlands. Draining the marshes might well have lowered the water table and created a dust bowl, and it would certainly have killed the habitat of wolves, geese, wild boar and many other native species, but despoilers rarely see downstream from events.

Elsewhere, the Nazis proposed planting forests to sweeten the climate so that it was more favorable for their own crops, and they spoke openly about reshaping the landscape to better suit Nazi ideals. That revision included people, railways, animals and land alike, even the geometry of farm fields (no acute angles below 70 degrees) and the alignment of trees and shrubs (only on north-south or east-west axes). It's bone-chilling how close they came to a feat of genetic domination that dwarfs all of Genghis Khan's exploits.

Today, though we deplore genocide, it stubbornly persists, and we may have our work cut out for us because it seems to tap a deeply rooted drive. But how about the more gradual eradication of genes, without fanfare, perhaps even driven by good motives?

We're dabbling in eugenics all the time, breeding ideal crops to replace less aesthetic or nutritious or hardy varieties; leveling forests to graze cattle or erect shopping malls and condos; planting groves of a few familiar trees that homeowners and industries prefer. On factory farms, the animals are now essentially clones. The same is true in plant nurseries. We're at a dangerous age in our evolution as a species — clever, headstrong, impulsive and far better at tampering with nature than understanding it. Who knows what vanishing life forms — and their DNA — we may one day regret losing?

When my mother teased about my being part Mongolian, she may have been right, since Genghis Khan and his clan reached into Russia, home of some of my ancestors. But I like knowing that the further back one traces any lineage the narrower the path grows, to the haunt of just a few shaggy ancestors, with luck on their side, little gizmos in their cells and a future storied with impulses and choices that will ultimately define them.
 

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Chengez khan succeded in life.

Ultimate goal of life is to spread ones genes far and wide.
 

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Chengez khan succeded in life.

Ultimate goal of life is to spread ones genes far and wide.
But at the end of the day, the Mongols adopted Buddhism and gave up barbaric violence, and all their conquests were for naught.

So Ashoka > Chengiz Khan :troll:
 

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But at the end of the day, the Mongols adopted Buddhism and gave up barbaric violence, and all their conquests were for naught.

So Ashoka > Chengiz Khan :troll:
After adopting buddhism they conquered muslim nations and converted to islam.

mongols suffered from "civilizational inferiority complex".
 

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After adopting buddhism they conquered muslim nations and converted to islam.

mongols suffered from "civilizational inferiority complex".
Mongols of Chengiz Khan's time were not Buddhist but shamanist (Tengriist). The Buddhist conversion came later, in 16th-17th centuries.

Mongols had no civilization of their own.
 

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