Agni V Missile

[Flame Thrower]

We never tested MIRV capability.....

Even through Agni 5....

I am happy with the range, but kind of skeptical about MIRV.

MIRV re-entry is really a headache. We have to develop heat shield that can withstand re-entry and hold a meaningful warhead. I believe that we had miniaturized nukes to fit in Agni series, but really skeptical.

If this is true, why release the news in first place. No one knows about our MIRV capability.

 

[Kshithij]

We never tested MIRV capability.....

Even through Agni 5....

I am happy with the range, but kind of skeptical about MIRV.

MIRV re-entry is really a headache. We have to develop heat shield that can withstand re-entry and hold a meaningful warhead. I believe that we had miniaturized nukes to fit in Agni series, but really skeptical.

If this is true, why release the news in first place. No one knows about our MIRV capability.

Missile technology is tested in satellite. Remember India launched 104 satellites which are orbiting in slightly different orbit and don't collide? That is MIRV technology. Reentry warhead is present in every missile, even north korean and pakistani missile. Without this, even Agni 1 can't exist.

Also, don't mistake MRV with MIRV. MRV is just keeping 5-6 warhead which scatters and hits the same target with some differences in landing point.

For example, a MRV of 3 warhead striking delhi will detach at the re entry stage with simple ejector springs to fall at connaught place, karol bagh and Lajpat Nagar, but striking delhi itself.

MIRV is 1 missile with warheads targeting different cities. For example, a MIRV launched from Agra towards Pakistan separates at mid air a sub missile with trajectory towards Lahore and another at a different time to hit Islamabad and a final one to Quetta. In this way 3 targets are hit

 

[mayfair]

NKs latest missile broke up upon re-entry, suggesting they have not really developed a workable re-entry system and by extension Napakis too.

Cheen not taking any chances it seems.

 

[Willy2]

Missile technology is tested in satellite. Remember India launched 104 satellites which are orbiting in slightly different orbit and don't collide? That is MIRV technology.

I think it's only 1 part of the problem , MIRV's individual warhead posses their own autonomous guidance and tracking system..otherwise they can't evade ABM ..those are MARV ...I think we still don't posses the technology or don't demonstrate it yet .

 

[Kshithij]

I think it's only 1 part of the problem , MIRV's individual warhead posses their own autonomous guidance and tracking system..otherwise they can't evade ABM ..those are MARV ...I think we still don't posses the technology or don't demonstrate it yet .

MaRV is Maneuverable Reentry Vehicle. It is a warhead with seeker. Something like cruise missile Brahmos has to track the target.

The multiple satellite technology is MIRV. MaRV is unpopular in ballistic missile as reentry is too fast to track anything.

In MIRV, a single missile carries multiple sub missile in 2nd stage instead of just 1 second stage missile.

 

[no smoking]

I am happy with the range, but kind of skeptical about MIRV.

MIRV re-entry is really a headache. We have to develop heat shield that can withstand re-entry and hold a meaningful warhead. I believe that we had miniaturized nukes to fit in Agni series, but really skeptical.

If this is true, why release the news in first place. No one knows about our MIRV capability.

The real problem is that India hasn't test a nuclear explosion device which is small enough and powerful enough to fit into a MIRV warhead.

 

[Kalki_2018]

True. Another nuclear test is due.

 

[no smoking]

Missile technology is tested in satellite. Remember India launched 104 satellites which are orbiting in slightly different orbit and don't collide? That is MIRV technology. Reentry warhead is present in every missile, even north korean and pakistani missile. Without this, even Agni 1 can't exist.

No, the multiple satellites demonstration is only part of MIRV. Remember: these satellites don't need to re-enter the atmosphere and they don't need to keep their CEP within 1000m of the target. Put this way, designing, testing a new MIRV warhead won't be much cheaper and shorter than developing a new ICBM.

 

[Kshithij]

No, the multiple satellites demonstration is only part of MIRV. Remember: these satellites don't need to re-enter the atmosphere and they don't need to keep their CEP within 1000m of the target. Put this way, designing, testing a new MIRV warhead won't be much cheaper and shorter than developing a new ICBM.

True. Details of MIRV testing is classified.

 

[Kshithij]

The real problem is that India hasn't test a nuclear explosion device which is small enough and powerful enough to fit into a MIRV warhead.

A MIRV warhead still has 200kg of weight. India did test such warheads in 1998. Though, more tests of H-bomb is needed to get better quality assurance

 

[porky_kicker]

AGNI 5 has more than 3 MIRVs together with radar/ir decoys

commissioning of the MRIS ship will allow to validate and improve upon the above during real time test fires.

 

[Kshithij]

AGNI 5 has more than 3 MIRVs together with radar/ir decoys

commissioning of the MRIS ship will allow to validate and improve upon the above during real time test fires.

Surprising, minuteman of USA has no GPS guidance but inertial guidance to avoid GPS spoofing and GPS shut down. It also has no MIRV as guidance will be difficult without relying on satellite communication.

It may have MRV though as it is just about multiple warheads for the same city

 

[AnantS]

No, the multiple satellites demonstration is only part of MIRV. Remember: these satellites don't need to re-enter the atmosphere and they don't need to keep their CEP within 1000m of the target. Put this way, designing, testing a new MIRV warhead won't be much cheaper and shorter than developing a new ICBM.

Even then India has quite considerable experience on Reentry tech, which it demonstrated amply in both defense and non defense sectors. However its granted , in case of MIRV, multiple testing would be required for fine tuning accuracy and decoy strategies.

 

[sayareakd]

The real problem is that India hasn't test a nuclear explosion device which is small enough and powerful enough to fit into MIRV warhead.

we will do that, even thermo nukes................... just to satisfy you guys.............................

 

[Kshithij]

we will do that, even thermo nukes................... just to satisfy you guys.............................

Only after oil reserves deplete and India no longer needs to rely on imports and foreign capital.

Till then, the designing of bombs, processing and stockpiling of fissile materials, tritium and deuterium will be carried out.

India has already exploded a 45kT H-bomb and hence might already have a design. Also, USA, USSR, China could make their first H-bomb detonation itself a success. There is no reason to say that India, which is capable of making nuclear reactors, even fast breeder reactor, submarine reactors can't make H-bomb. There might already have been low intensity tests which were conducted in sealed chambers to remain hidden

 

[Chinmoy]

Here's official leak on Loksabha TV about Agni-5 being MIRV with 3 war heads and true range of it being 8000 kms..............

Jingo Khus Hua......:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:

Seen this video long ago. As per it, India achieved MIRV capability with Agni IV itself. But yet has to test it.

 

[Kshithij]

Seen this video long ago. As per it, India achieved MIRV capability with Agni IV itself. But yet has to test it.

Even if tested, India won't reveal it

 

[no smoking]

A MIRV warhead still has 200kg of weight. India did test such warheads in 1998. Though, more tests of H-bomb is needed to get better quality assurance

No, the nuclear explosive device in the 1998 test picture was too big to be under 200kg. And that was a nuclear device only, if you add on other necessary sub-systems of a real warhead, the whole thing will be more than 1 ton. Besides, outside India, scientists think this test was neither H-bomb, nor successful.

 

[no smoking]

Even if tested, India won't reveal it

Considering India is adopting the same nuclear deterrent policy as China, it is quite stupid if India is trying to understate its own nuclear capability.
And that kind of test won't escape the detection of the world.

 

[Kshithij]

No, the nuclear explosive device in the 1998 test picture was too big to be under 200kg. And that was a nuclear device only, if you add on other necessary sub-systems of a real warhead, the whole thing will be more than 1 ton. Besides, outside India, scientists think this test was neither H-bomb, nor successful.

How do you know that the bombs were 1 ton in weight? Did you see them?

There were 6 tests for a reason. Different types of bombs were used. 1 bomb was H-bomb with 45kT blast. 45kT is a reasonable size for being H-bomb. This also shows miniaturization