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this report also has a meaning that its mainly Orthodox, Hindus and Jewish who are running US's government. as, if you fall in higher income group then you pay much more tax than the lower income group. in australia, the tax rate is hardly 15% for upto $35,000 while its 47% for every dollar over $110,000????? this means, population of Hindus and Jewish might be just 1% and 1.7% respectively of total US's population but altogther they might be paying at least 15% to 20% of the total tax, the US government receive, which they waste in different Social Security+Medical program for locals, which accounts for around 46% of total US's Budget Expenditure, which itself is around -9.0% of its GDP till last year......:usa:

while its also true that this 1% Indian population is made of High Qualified professionals, Doctors etc, the cleamy layer of USA, which might have generated employment for over 10% of local labors, helping US run their industries and have high technologies. meaning of high end educated people of much more than the amount of tax they pay.and we would look on it in a different way. this 1.0% Hindu population of US are high qualified professionals/doctors etc and if they back to India, they may develop the same type of technologies which they developed for US.....:india:

this report also gives a message to the Blacks and Hispanics that being Christian is palying a major role in keeping them poorest in US, as, even if they may convert into Muslims, they may improve the number to twice to 14% :troll:
Only Those Get Success Who Believe in Themselves:

I discussed this topic one time, even if we dont consider the economic order till the 19th century when India and China were the top two largest economies, why Philippines is so poor country of ASEAN region as compare to Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, China etc, of non-Christian background countries. Philippines, which has more immigrants in US/Australia/Canada than even China, India type 10 times bigger countries, with full support from the Western nations for industrialization due to its Christian background, then why still they are so poor? like the per capita income ranking as below:
(Note: GDP on PPP of India was already around $5.16trillions by 2006 by Old Method, and this way Indian per capita income would be 1.5 times to Philippines by 2012, by considring Old Method of measuring GDP on PPP. with already around 350mil Upper Middle Class itself, as per my post #32 of this thread.)

https://www.cia.gov/library/publica...nes&countryCode=rp&regionCode=eas&rank=162#rp

here we concluded that even if we dont consider the economic order till 19th century when India and China shared the top two spots, we still find only those countries getting success who believe in themselves. no matter how much techlogical access Western nations gave to Philippines to get industrialized on its Christian religious background, with almost free entry to US/Canada/Australia, but still it couldn't improve their status as compare to other ASEAN states, including China also, even if we dont consider Buddhist background Japan.......
 
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Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes
02.24.09

The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The over-representation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. :tsk: 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110. :ranger:

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in! :thumb:


Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes.com
 
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Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes
02.24.09

The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The over-representation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings.

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites.

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. :tsk: 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110. :coffee:

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country.

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in! :tup:


Jason Richwine is a National Research Initiative fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington.

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes.com
We have 3 main exam on the international level to measure competency of different nationals, which may then help them get scholarship from the top institutes of world, mainly from US's and British institutes. its GRE for engineering, GMAT for Management and one for medicines..... but I would rank GMAT scores as the main exam as even engineers/doctors try hard for it as it may then help them get entry in the top Business Institutes and then they may get one of the highest payments after a MBA degree from there.... :thumb:

=> We have QS ranking of the Management Institutes as below. here we may compare average GMAT scores by Indian institutes with rest of the world. (to check IQ, as mentioned in this article.)
Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (Asia)

(here, GMAT score for IIM Calcutta was '760' in 2009 which is incorrectly written here for 2010 as 500 only. Minimum GMAT score required for admission in IIM Calcutta is "700", as per in "Admissions Requirements" section of this website.)
Indian Institute of Management Calcutta | TOPMBA (IIMC)

as below, few US's institutes have average 700+ score due to international students only otherwise compare yourselves with European shiits, only French ANSEAD could have on average above 700 GMAT score :tdown:. while British Management Institutes have more than 70% international students only. now you will get to know, how Indians of average 780 marks have raised US's overall score to above 700 for its top management institutes, helping the Americans performing high in business side by their talent, similarly how Indian professionals are back boon of US's technological firms.

Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (North America)

Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (Europe)

Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (Latin and Central America)


=> here, this ranking below is based on the level of infrastructure of Universities, not on the quality of students.

QS World University Rankings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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I would not get too excited over averages, immigrants especially from India, they are usually young males with degrees. When you compare that with the average your are compareing with childrens, retirees, ect. If w compared americans that immigrated to India, we would prob see they have ten times the indian income and education. Figures dont lie but liars figure
Not true, even in that spelling bee contest Indian kids win most of the time. It just shows even the ones born there do well in education.
 

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I would not get too excited over averages, immigrants especially from India, they are usually young males with degrees. When you compare that with the average your are compareing with childrens, retirees, ect. If w compared americans that immigrated to India, we would prob see they have ten times the indian income and education. Figures dont lie but liars figure
That's what you'd like to think, but reality is that these same statistics show that while Indians make up less than 1% of US's population, they make up a 13% enrollment rate in top American universities. That's a huge leap in proportionality and it goes to show that it's just not emigrated Indians with degrees who are doing well, but their kids as well.
 

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Kind of doubt that can you show me where Indians make up 13 percent of the enrollmen in US universities.
 

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There are about 100,000 students from India out of 5.4 million college students in the USA , where do you all come up with all these weird numbers, like NASA employes or the number of Indian doctors in the USA
 

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That's what you'd like to think, but reality is that these same statistics show that while Indians make up less than 1% of US's population, they make up a 13% enrollment rate in top American universities. That's a huge leap in proportionality and it goes to show that it's just not emigrated Indians with degrees who are doing well, but their kids as well.
Western Pig Class, a 'Characteristic' Hand to Mouth Generation

sir I would tell you a basic thing in this regard, when a kid of an Australian goes for date with his/her partner even since schooling, they proud to say that now their kids are also dating, like how they have changed with 20+ in their own life. and this way, the time Indian youth spent for very hard work to get something done in life/career, that certain time is spent by the Western kids in enjoying life with fullest..........

when I was doing my part time MBA in Sydney, we used to have discussions about the 'competent' products, to have 'competitive advantage', while we find only one competition in the Australian schools, that is, who can have how good bodies to impress girls and have sex with more and more girls. this does help them performing good on the side of sports, but a labor is only a labor, a certain 'Hand to Mouth' Category person, and this is what the Western Rulers have done with their society...............

but I saw a very special 'Character' in this Hand to Mouth Class of West, the Western Pig Class I have defined, which I estimated around 70% of total population of Australia, 80% of UK and around 80% of US too, i guessed..... when too many attacks were going on with the International students in Australia in 2009/10, few were sent to me to discuss, how those under class 6th/7th passed local Australians then became superior to the International students doing Master level engineering/medicines/management this way? and I passed my message to Australian politicians that time, that, "Bluff of Superiority, based of publicity of greatness, without any credibility or proper educational background....."

and the same I saw in the Work Shop of the companies I worked, that local whites were intended to prove that there is one way, why they are superior to the person sitting on the top floor in my cabin, that is because of their racial/western feeling with religious touch, while working in behalf of their rulers :tsk:

and this is the certain "Western Pig Class" I have discussed before, who usually work for 3-4 days for hardly $16 to $20/hour casual jobs and spend all on weekends, and involved in discussing different War Politics, in terms of racial war/political war/ culture war/ religious war/ economical war/trade war etc. and I did notice a 'right' reason for that, that is, people like Tony Blair, John Howard, Tony Blair, G.W.Bush and other retired president and PMs of Western Nations have clearly understood that their new generation may only be used for different types of Wars, based on "Hate Crimes", only........ :facepalm:

I used to get a clear information in Australia, while sitting in my cabin on top floor and keep watching people making horns on the streets from my window, that, Mr Rudd, Ms Gillard, Mr Howard type people do know that if their coming generation want to work to feed themselves only and spend all on weekends, without any career or direction in life, then their free time can only be utilized for organizing 'Hates' for high qualified migrants....


=> after doing my BE in Mechanical Engineering from a government college in India, I did my Master of Engineering and Master of Engineering Management from University of Technology Sydney, which is ranked around 25th/26th in among the Technical Institutes of world by QS Global, when we shortlist only their 5 Star Rating technical institutes. then it was more intended to do higher studies from a college whose degrees is more recognized than any of the Indian technical institute, as in 2002, when I visited there. UTS is located in the heart of Sydney City, the only city university, the 3rd ranked financial center of Asia Pacific in 2002, after Tokyo and Singapore, then it was more intended to have the best recruitment after completion of my Masters. and with my Master of Engineering, I first did my Master of Engineering Management as I was first willing to have engineering experience and then move to Management positions in an engineering firms, the 'plan' I had in 2002 before moving to Sydney. and when I joined Sydney University again in 2009 for part time MBA in Project Management then it was mainly to have one more degree in projects management areas as I had gained around 4 years of Projects Engineering experience till 2009 in Australia itself.......... and from here, now compare my professional life with a common Western civilian, how much they plan for their career??????

I do remember that Western Media had finally defined it as "Hate Crimes" in 2009/10 :wave:
 
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Kind of doubt that can you show me where Indians make up 13 percent of the enrollmen in US universities.
There is no survey on this i guess but there are more people working in successful institutions like NASA or places like that in proportion to indian population in US. If Indian population is 1% of US then about 5% to 10% of scientists or doctors would be Indian Hindus.

For example in this google science fair most of the creative kids ended up being Hindu and the top 2 out of 3 where Hindu and this is disproportional to the US indian population of 1%, these where kids born in US. Not to mention the kids in spelling be who won 21 times in a row where all indians. These are all born in US kids who just had a better culture and up-bringing.


The only reason India is poor now is because of invaders who did not allow us to establish our way and practice it and also because Indian culture is softer and more peaceful than the invaders it was over powered. India was the richest nation that is why right from Columbus to everyone else wanted to find and do trade or invade. Everyone in India owned a lot of gold and india is still the largest consumer of gold. This attracted loads of invaders to plunder it.
 
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Bluffs of Oscars, Nobel prices:

we always find Nobel, Oscar type awards just 'fakes'. Nobel is about, someone from a developing country does the work and a western national is awarded. or in few cases like Oscars, these awards are just do publicity of greatness of Western nations, by doing publicity of wrong about developing nations, based on lies, to fulfill different geo-political goals........ for example I give of 'SlumDog millionaire' movie, which got 5-6 Oscars but no credibility in that movie which was based on lies about India..... at the same time many told us that these Nobel awards are given to the 'bosses', for the works of those migrant engineers/scientists who work under them.

because of successfully winning over India in 1818, WW1 and WW2, UK/US/West then came in a better position to bring talent of other countries, mainly Indians who worked for British and hence those techs then transferred to US also this way during 19th and 20th centuries. and the way Asia is again in the position to recover its economic ranking it had till 19th century, we again find different environment of wars....... even during WW2, it were mainly the Indian Military which became the Back Boon of Britain to help them win WW2..... and again we find a new war organized every year, in terms of 'Sectarian Wars'. it was Libya in 2010, then it switched to Syria since 2011, ongoing war in Afghanistan with including different growing Secterian Wars in developing countries like Shia-Sunni etc. and with that the continuous efforts to convert Afghans into Christianity, along with different political wars organised on the international platform............

=> Slum Dog Millionaire: in my most of the posts, i first fcuk the Western Politicians and then talk as they generally organize different talks based on lies 'only'. only 'publicity' of lies is their main arm, and then they try to find out 'truths' this way :toilet:

when I saw Slum Dog Millionaire in 2008, I had said just after the movie that its not an Indian movie, but very likely a British movie. as British government is involved in manipulating India's data for a very long, mainly since 2006. and this type of wrong publicity must have a British mind, backed by British Royal Family including British government, along with their followers based in US/Australia/Canad. why? I said few points as below:

1st, English of Indians is good but its of Middle Class only, not of the poor who live in slums, they are mostly uneducated and speak their native languages, like hindi/tamil/bengali etc. ask Prince Charles, do Bihari labor pass IELTS/TOFEL test before going to Delhi/Mumbai, similar to other poor of India who go to Mumbai for a better income amd live in Slum????? even literacy rate of India is hardly 70%, leaving 90% of 350mil poor uneducated, without primary education also?????

2nd, Hence, first this 30% poor/lower class of India, living in Slum, aren't educated enough to work in a Call Centre like the Hero of this movie. and second, I knew that till 2003, people of early 20s used to work in Call Centers while doing studies in Delhi, most of them were belonging to Upper Middle Class families and to earn pocket money and improve English also at the same time in Delhi...... this movie was made by someone who thinks, "people in India live in Slum, speak 'good' english and work in Call Centre.", and this is the 'only' "General Knowledge", the British government provided to its people, till mid last decade.

3rd, this movie had a certain type of 'Mentality' which confirm that British Royal Family/British Government and their followers based in US/Australia/Canada were behind making of that movie. the mentality was, "in this movie, a man said over 10 very bad things about India, which might be rarely happening now days, like taking out eyes and put the person for begging........ and after making the whole India, a Slum Dog, this man had been made a Millionaire, as a 'Reward' :rofl:."

and the way British Shiiits were behind manipulating India's datas for so long, mainly since 2006, it was then just a "Common Sense" for me that British Government/British Origins funded and gave enough publicity to that movie, like so many Oscar's for this movie also, just to do wrong publicity of India....

there can't be a better example to prove that all these Nobel, Oscar awards are just fakes, to feed mentality of Western War Champions ...:wave:
 
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Kind of doubt that can you show me where Indians make up 13 percent of the enrollmen in US universities.
This is a very long and interesting article looking at Asian college admissions in the US and their status as the 'new Jews' (in terms of college admission, and emphasis on education).
The Myth of American Meritocracy | The American Conservative


Here is one graphic you may find interesting:


And another:


Obviously not ENTIRELY relevant to the 13% quoted by tronic. Remember this study looked at Asian-American college admissions, which include all spectrums of Asia not just India. But increasing numbers of asian applicants are identifying race as "other" due to stigma of being Asian (which the article argues skilfully). But given the proportion of Indians making up the 'Asian-American' populace I wouldn't be surprised if the number was close to what Tronic suggested.

Edit.
Wiki has further info...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_American#Socioeconomic

According to the 2010 U.S. Census, Indian Americans had the highest household income of all ethnic groups in the United States.
According to the American Association of Physicians of Indian Origin, there are close to 35,000 Indian American doctors.[29]
Among Indian Americans, 72.3% participate in the U.S. work force, of which 57.7% are employed in managerial and professional specialties.[30] As of 2010 66.3% of Indian Americans are employed in select professional and managerial specialties compared with the national average of 35.9%.[31]
I don't know how you can't be somewhat impressed by those numbers. I think they depict without a doubt an exodus of top-tier talent to the US, unfortunately at the expense of the rest of us.
 
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College enrollment in the USA pretty well follows the demographics of the american population even though there is a large number of foreign students.
 

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That's what you'd like to think, but reality is that these same statistics show that while Indians make up less than 1% of US's population, they make up a 13% enrollment rate in top American universities. That's a huge leap in proportionality and it goes to show that it's just not emigrated Indians with degrees who are doing well, but their kids as well.
This has more to do with socioeconomics than ethnicity. Children born into affluent upper middle class families with highly educated parents who can afford to provide them with the best schooling are bound to be well represented in higher education. This is ubiquitous for members of all the ethnic groups fall which into this socioeconomic category even black and Hispanics.
 
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Quick note on the Indian community in the United States. We are NOT representative of the Indian community at large by any stretch of the imagination. When you take the "best of the best" from any country and put them in highly developed nation like the United States, of course they will do well. But this fact in of itself isn't conclusive of anything.

As one of the articles in the beginning of the thread rightly points out, the Indian community in the US emanates largely from upper class (usually Hindu) backgrounds where they had the opportunity to receive a good education in the English language and hence their success shouldn't really come as a surprise.

If anything the total contribution of the Indian community to the American society at large is still not comprehensive. Yes, many scientists, engineers, finance professionals (most of whom are now unemployed) and medical professionals come to the US from India and do very well for themselves. But a society doesn't just run on select high profile- high earning professionals. Police men, firemen, plumbers, electricians, nurses, teachers and members of all the other arduous professions have just as much if not a greater impact upon the day to day lives of a society, and in this regard the contribution of the Indian community in the US still falls short.

The success of highly educated Indians in the United States or other migratory destinations in the developed world isn't proof of the "greatness of Indian culture" or anything of that sort. It is merely a testament to two facts of life- 1) When provided with the appropriate tools and opportunity anyone will work hard and do well. and 2) children born into upper middle class families where they have the resources to obtain the best education are bound to do well later in life.

If there is any lesson to be learned here from solely an Indian point of view it's this... there is conclusive evidence suggesting that if there was a cultural and structural reformation in India where useless archaic beliefs were abandoned and instead replaced with progressive ideals and intelligent public policies which enable opportunities for everyone and creates a conducive environment for productivity, the nation would do very, very well.

(And this is just an opinion) Also, people of Indian descent who claim to have an affinity for their heritage ought to do their best to proliferate the above mentioned ideas so that the countless unfortunate Indians who did not have parents who could migrate to a country like the United States also get to enjoy the benefits of progressiveness, liberty and prosperity. Sure beats the generic act of going to India and trying to impress everyone with your latest apple gadgets.
 
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Most of these "Hindu" Americans have no interest in their religion. To differentiate
on a religious basis is kind of silly.
 

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Most of these "Hindu" Americans have no interest in their religion. To differentiate
on a religious basis is kind of silly.
I agree with the second part of your assertion. However the first part isn't true. A significant number of Hindus in the United States seem to be deeply religious. Furthermore the level of orthodoxy and nationalism is always tends to be higher in migrants than the inhabitants of a country and this is very much the case for Indian immigrants (actually this website is a good indicator).

As a side note, it is very disappointing to see that in spite of the high level of wealth among the religious members of the Hindu community in the United States there is very little philanthropy or social work dedicated toward the American society as a whole (not just other Indians or Hindus).
 

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We have 3 main exam on the international level to measure competency of different nationals, which may then help them get scholarship from the top institutes of world, mainly from US's and British institutes. :usa: :uk: its GRE for engineering, GMAT for Management and one for medicines..... but I would rank GMAT scores as the main exam as even engineers/doctors try hard for it as it may then help them get entry in the top Business Institutes and then they may get one of the highest payments after a MBA degree from there.... :thumb:

=> We have QS ranking of the Management Institutes as below. here we may compare average GMAT scores by Indian institutes with rest of the world. (to check IQ, as mentioned in this article.)
Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (Asia)

(here, GMAT score for IIM Calcutta was '760' in 2009 which is incorrectly written here for 2010 as 500 only. Minimum GMAT score required for admission in IIM Calcutta is "700", as per in "Admissions Requirements" section of this website.)
Indian Institute of Management Calcutta | TOPMBA (IIMC)

as below, few US's institutes have average 700+ score due to international students only otherwise compare yourselves with European shiits, only French ANSEAD could have on average above 700 GMAT score :toilet:. while British Management Institutes have more than 70% international students only. now you will get to know, how Indians of average 780 marks have raised US's overall score to above 700 for its top management institutes, helping the Americans performing high in business side by their talent, similarly how Indian professionals are back boon of US's technological firms.

Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (North America)

Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (Europe)

Global 200 Top Business Schools 2010 by Region | TOPMBA (Latin and Central America)


=> here, this ranking below is based on the level of infrastructure of Universities, not on the quality of students.

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Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished

BANGALORE: It is students from IIM-Bangalore, not from Harvard or Stanford or even MIT, who excel at GMAT, the entrance test for the creme de la creme of B-schools across the world.

According to the QS Global 200 Business Schools report, Indian MBA candidates are the world's most academically distinguished, with students of the IIM-B, scoring the highest average of 780. IIM-B students are ahead of the leading US institution Stanford and INSEAD in Europe, the survey said.

While the average GMAT score of Stanford is 730, INSEAD lies at 704. Second to IIM-B students in GMAT score are their counterparts from IIM, Ahmedabad with 767. :india:

The survey says, "IIM Ahmedabad is notable for the extraordinarily high average GMAT scores of its students, with its figure of 767 exceeded only by fellow Indian institution, IIM Bangalore (780). This places the two ahead of any North American or European school for the academic quality of their student intake. The fact that students enrolled at both schools have an average of just two years of professional experience underlines the tendency for academically gifted students to move quickly on to the MBA qualification at the outset of their careers, rather than using it to up-skill at mid career, as is more common in Europe and North America."

IIM-B also appears in the survey as one of the emerging global business schools across the world, overtaking Melbourne Business School.

"It is the testimony to high quality talent that our country has. It is no surprise that Indian students have outscored others from across the globe. What is needed now is the establishment of premier institutes like Harvard and Stanford in India as well, so that these young minds could express their intelligence in best possible manner. This is possible only when full autonomy is provided to the universities," said T V Mohandas Pai, chairman, Manipal Global Education Services.

"At the time of independence, our universities at Mumbai, Chennai, Calcutta, Mysore and Baroda were among the top 200 in the world. Today, they do not fare in any ranking at all. This is the result of bad government policy. Full autonomy, independent board of governors and focus on research are the factors crucial for a good university," said Pai.

The colleges were also judged on different subjects under their programme. In corporate social responsibility, IIM-B ranked 21 among the top 50 business colleges across the globe, whereas IIM-A grabbed 19th rank.

When it comes to emphasis on start-ups and small businesses to kick-start private sector growth ( entrepreneurship), IIM-B ranked 25 and IIM-A ranked 17. Under 'innovation', IIM-B was placed at 17th with a score of 90.6, whereas IIM-A ranked 13, with a score of 97.4 out of 100.

QS is an online and offline meeting place for aspiring managers, B-schools and businesses for career and educational -related decisions.

Many leaders in India

For the leadership development programme, four colleges from India feature among top 50 universities. They are: IIM-A, IIM-B, IIM-C and Indian School of Business (ISB).:thumb:

Highlights of the survey

Schools ranked for employer reputation in 10 subject specializations. Harvard tops the table in three subjects, ahead of Stanford and MIT with two apiece. Wharton is number one for finance

Three Asian schools make the Elite global category: INSEAD Singapore, IIM-A and NUS Business School, National University of Singapore

No Elite Global schools in either Africa and Middle East, or Latin America :toilet:

Indian MBA students world’s most academically distinguished: Survey - The Times of India
 
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How Immigration Has Impoverished Britain: 75% of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Children "Live in Poverty"

Claims that immigration is economically beneficial for Britain have been destroyed by news that three-quarters of Pakistani and Bangladeshi children in the UK are being brought up in families that are living on poverty-level income.

The report, issued by Millennium Cohort Study, which is tracking children born between 2000 and 2002, has found that 73 per cent of the Pakistani and Bangladeshi seven-year olds were in families estimated to be living on less than 60 per cent of the average national household income.

Just over half of the black children (51 percent) in the Millennium cohort were in such low-income families, compared with one in four white (26 percent) and Indian (25percent) children, said an official press release.

"Predictably, low income was strongly linked to joblessness among parents, say researchers at the Institute of Education, University of London, who collected information from almost 14,000 families in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland in 2008/9."

According to the report, among fathers, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis had the highest unemployment rate (15 percent) – well above the UK average of 6 per cent. Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11 percent) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4 percent) than whites (5.5 percent).

Almost two-thirds (64 percent) of white and Indian mothers had jobs, compared with half (52 percent) of black mothers and only 17 per cent of Pakistani and Bangladeshi mothers.

A much higher proportion of children in lone-parent families (63 percent) were living below the study's poverty line than those with married (16percent) or cohabiting (30 percent) parents. :tsk: :facepalm:

"The incidence of income poverty for the Millennium cohort families has not changed appreciably over the first seven years of the children's lives," says Professor Heather Joshi, the study's director.

"Despite government efforts to eradicate child poverty almost three in 10 children are still in poor families at age 7. It's particularly disappointing that around one in five seven-year-olds is in severe poverty – on incomes below half the national average."

The findings appear in a report published today by the Institute of Education's Centre for Longitudinal Studies: Millennium Cohort Study, Fourth Survey: A User's Guide to Initial Findings. Copies of the report can be downloaded here.

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Income inequality growing faster in UK than any other rich country

Top 10% have incomes 12 times greater than bottom 10%, up from eight times greater in 1985, thinktank's study reveals

Income inequality among working-age people has risen faster in Britain than in any other rich nation since the mid-1970s, according to a report by the OECD.

The thinktank says the gap has come about due to the rise of a financial services elite who, through education and marriage, have concentrated wealth into the hands of a tiny minority.

Economists from the group, which is funded by developed-world taxpayers, say the annual average income in the UK of the top 10% in 2008 was just under £55,000, about 12 times higher than that of the bottom 10%, who had an average income of £4,700.

This is up from a ratio of eight to one in 1985 and significantly higher than the average income gap in developed nations of nine to one.

However, the report makes clear that even in countries viewed as "fairer" – such as Germany, Denmark and Sweden – this pay gap between rich and poor is expanding: from five to one in the 1980s to six to one today. In the rising powers of Brazil, Russia, India and China, the ratio is an alarming 50 to one.

The OECD warned about the rise of the top 1% in rich societies and the falling share of income going to poorer people.

This trend is especially pronounced in Britain, where the dramatic rise in inequality has been fuelled by the creation of a super-rich class. The share of the top 1% of income earners increased from 7.1% in 1970 to 14.3% in 2005.

Just prior to the global recession, the OECD says the very top of British society – the 0.1% of highest earners – accounted for a remarkable 5% of total pre-tax income, a level of wealth hoarding not seen since the second world war.

At the same time as accumulating great wealth, the rich have seen tax rates fall. The top marginal income tax rate dropped from 60% in the 1980s to 40% in the 2000s, before its recent increase to 50%.

The buildup of riches was partly economic: the higher-paid worked longer. Since the mid-1980s, annual hours of low-wage workers remained stable at around 1,050, while those of high-wage workers rose almost 10% to 2,450 hours.

But the concentration of resources in the highest rungs of Britain's society was also a social phenomenon. Unlike in many other nations, the earnings gap between the wives of rich and poor husbands in Britain has grown from £3,900 in 1987 to £10,200 in 2004.

Although the OECD figures stop just before the recession, experts say the trend continued into the downturn.

Paul Johnson of the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that in the UK "2009-10 incomes went up incredibly fast (at the top end) possibly because the new top rate of tax was coming in".

He pointed out that the growth in the City and bankers' bonuses had played a large part in creating this divide. "If you look at who is racing away, then half the top 1% of high earners work in financial services," he said.

He cited the research of Mark Stewart, a professor of economics at Warwick University, who has shown that "almost all the increase in inequality has come from financial services" in the past 12 years.

Such disparities, the thinktank said, could not be blamed on globalisation but a trend in labour and social policies in rich nations that had helped the wealthy.

Although spending on public services in Britain had gone up in the past decade, at the same time benefits to the poor were worth less and taxes were less redistributive.

The effect has been a dramatic weakening in the state's ability to spread wealth throughout society. From the mid-70s to mid-80s, the tax-benefit system offset more than 50% of the rise in income inequality. It now manages just 20%.

The OECD warned of sweeping consequences for rich societies – and pointed to the rash of occupations and protests, especially by young people, around the world. "Youths who see no future for themselves feel increasingly disenfranchised. They have now been joined by protesters who believe they are bearing the brunt of a crisis for which they have no responsibility, while people on higher incomes appeared to be spared," the OECD said.

It was a paradox, said the OECD, that such moves had not been grounded in popular support. Michael Förster, author of the OECD's Divided We Stand report, said: "In almost all countries apart from the US and Japan, more than 50% of people say that inequality is too high. In the UK, it is 65% so I think everyone agrees it is a problem."

To rebalance society "for the 99%", the authors call for a series of measures focusing on job creation, "increased redistributive effects" and "freely accessible and high-quality public services in education, health and family care".

When it was pointed out that British government plans would instead lead to public sector job cuts of 710,000, more child poverty and a hike in university fees, the OECD's authors said debt was an issue for governments but urged them "not to cut social investments".

Monika Queisser, the head of OECD's social policy division, said: "The OECD agreed that fiscal consolidation was important. We want to governments to see social expenditures as investment so we would want to see, say, early years [funding] rising."

Income inequality growing faster in UK than any other rich country, says OECD | Society | The Guardian
 
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