UAE warns Pakistan of 'heavy price for ambiguous stand' on Yemen

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^^
Also I heard that the Arab soldiers are lazy , has no discipline and very incompetent.
Tried to find articles to support it
but could only dig this up as direct support





Why is it that Arab soldiers are so woefully incompetent while Arab insurgents have been extremely effective? : Military

This could be another reason why the UAE wants its paid thugs, the PA.
I think the problem is more deliberate then accidental. The Arab nations are ruled by dynasties and kings, so to remain in power, they deliberately get timid generals to the top so that they dont get overthrown by them. If they start promoting the hawkish generals they would end up like Pakistan or Egypt. Timid Generals and army is their key to remaining in power !. After all what are the chances of an eminent external threat, once or maybe twice in a century.... military overthrow? once in every 5 years, so keeping timid generals is a safer bet!
 
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Any brilliant take from our inhouse pampered anti India commentary @genius?
 
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Pakistan was offered $10 billion financial aid from Saudi Arabia - Tehran Times





By Hassan Hanizadeh

Many political analysts have described the Pakistani government's rejection of a call by Riyadh to dispatch troops to Saudi Arabia, in line with the kingdom's efforts to crush the Yemeni people, as the last nail on the Saudi regime's coffin.

Saudi Arabia, which initiated its aggression against Yemen's Houthis solely on religious motivations, has been trying to create a mass Islamic-Arab front against them and conducted long discussions with officials from Egypt, Sudan, Jordan, Indonesia, Turkey, and Pakistan in this regard.

To participate in the offensive, Egypt asked Saudis a massive financial aid, a requested that was rejected by Riyadh as the sum proposed by Egypt was too much.

Indonesia and Sudan also refrained from participating in the coalition while Turkey also revised its policy concerning dispatching troops to Saudi Arabia after a recent trip by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to Tehran.

Negotiations between Iranian President Hassan Rouhani and his Turkish counterpart helped Turkey realize the dangerous consequences of a military intervention alongside Saudi troops; therefore, Turkish troops were never dispatched to Saudi Arabia.

Moreover, Pakistan, which was initially offered to receive a $10 billion financial aid from Saudi Arabia, revised its decision after a trip by Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif to Islamabad.

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who holds amicable ties with Saudi Arabia, also threw the ball into the court of the parliament. The parliament then drafted a bill, forbidding Islamabad to send troops to Saudi Arabia to help it crack down on the Yemeni people.

Diplomatically thus, the Saudi regime faced a heavy defeat, which was the fruit of the Islamic Republic of Iran's dynamic and successful policy.

Although the Saudi regime had previously faced yet another political defeat regarding the nuclear negotiations between Iran and the 5+1 group of major world powers, its latest defeat brought it military failure in Yemen as well.

In the course of talks between Iran and the 5+1 group, the Saudi regime formed an Arab-Hebrew front to sabotage the negotiations. Its plot, however, failed thanks to Iran's successful diplomacy.

For the first three weeks after the start of the Yemeni crisis, Saudi Arabia tried to exterminate the Yemeni Ansarullah movement through airstrikes in close coordination with Israel. The airstrikes; nevertheless, victimized Yemeni children and women more than damaging the Ansarullah movement.

Saudi Arabia, which had deployed six infantry and armored divisions to the Yemeni borders, had awaited the entry of Turkish, Egyptian, and Pakistani troops for a final assault on the Yemeni soil. However, due to the collapse of the envisioned Islamic-Arab coalition against Yemen, it could not enter the Yemeni soil on its own and faced a total defeat. Saudi troops are still stationed along the Yemeni border for their fear of engaging into a guerilla war with Yemen's Ansarullah revolutionaries.




Therefore, regional military and political experts hold the idea that the Saudi regime has faced a grave defeat in the Yemeni crisis both politically and militarily. Besides, the regime's airstrikes against the innocent civilians of Yemen has added to the global resentment of the regime.

tehran times : Saudis' political and military defeat in Yemen
 

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That was then...This is now..China has more leverage when funding anti US coalitions for cheap oil.
No, China is buying oil at fare price which is lots higher than what US, European paid. And you also don't realise that the oil from Saudi Arab is lot cheaper and better than China gets from Iran.

Funding PAk nuke program is something thats not much of China's interest economically when compared with the oil resource it can tap from Iran.
That is not China's problem. Pak has been relying on Saudi's money for decades, now Saudi asks the pay back.
 

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No, China is buying oil at fare price which is lots higher than what US, European paid. And you also don't realise that the oil from Saudi Arab is lot cheaper and better than .
that's why I always champion healthy competition - like this btwn Shia and Sunni powers. cheaper oil, and eventually we'll see who may get the upper hand and chip in in due course.

Pakistan wisely takes an "ambiguous" stand - good for them and for us. Pakistan and Iran will embark on Chinese initiated "Silk Route Belt" program together.

~Tapa talks: Orange is the new black.~
 

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that's why I always champion healthy competition - like this btwn Shia and Sunni powers. cheaper oil, and eventually we'll see who may get the upper hand and chip in in due course.
It's all well and good, until they start to bomb each other and burn all the oil:rolleyes:
 

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So the Pakistani PMs brother the powerful Shahbaz Sharif was send to KSA to placate them.

He seems to have been given some strong message from Riyadh. Immediately on his arrival there was an emergency meeting Chaired by the PM, and was attended by the three service chiefs.

Shahbaz Sharif briefs civil, military leadership on Saudi visit - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

some of the comments on this article reflect the mood in Pakistan

what a country in world...where whole world is thinking about growth and this country is bother about Yemen...Look at India where modi is busy to bring business in India and here in Pak we are busy to bring more terriost....New campaign Make Terriost in Pak
Ambiguity on Yemen or any foreign policy issue doesn't suit anyone and directly affects Pakistan's stature among friends and foes alike. U can't separate any aspect of good governance internal or external.We failed to define "neutrality" and ended up being considered favoring the Iranian line not only but the Arabs but the entire world media. Nawaz Sharif has come across as a weak decision maker succumbing to PTI objections to his personal relation with Saudis and Imran Khan looked more anti Nawaz than pro Pakistan. Let our political and military leadership including opposition parties forget internal differences and take a decision in the best national interests.
The unanimous resolution of joint parliamentary session carries no weight. Nawaz Sharif will keep holding meetings until he finds a loop hole to attack Yemenites to please Saudia. Today his brother leads delegation and tomorrow his other relative will spearhead. This is a family businrss.
 

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UPDATE 1-China's 2014 Iran crude oil imports up 28 pct -customs
Last year, China lifted 27.5 million tonnes of Iranian crude and condensate, an increase of 28.3 percent over 2013, the customs data showed. That put its daily average at 549,250 bpd, almost even with the 555,000 bpd imported in 2011 before the United States and the European Union tightened sanctions.
UPDATE 1-China's 2014 Iran crude oil imports up 28 pct -customs | Reuters
China's crude imports from top exporter Saudi Arabia were down 7.9 percent in 2014 from the previous year to 993,320 bpd..
 
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China Gets Cheaper Iran Oil as U.S. Pays for Hormuz Patrols

Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) -- China stands to be the biggest beneficiary of U.S. and European plans for sanctions on Iran's oil sales in an effort to pressure the regime to abandon its nuclear program.

As European Union members negotiate an Iranian oil embargo and the U.S. begins work on imposing sanctions to complicate global payments for Iranian oil, Chinese refiners already may be taking advantage of the mounting pressure. China is demanding discounts and better terms on Iranian crude, oil analysts and sanctions advocates said in interviews.

"The sanctions against Iran strengthen the Chinese hand at the negotiating table," Michael Wittner, head of oil-market research for Societe Generale SA in New York, said in a phone interview. While there are no confirmed numbers, Chinese refiners are likely to win discounts on Iranian crude contracts as buyers from other nations halt or reduce their purchases of Iranian oil to avoid being penalized under U.S. and European sanctions, he said
China Gets Cheaper Iran Oil as U.S. Pays for Hormuz Patrols - Bloomberg Business
 

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Pakistan's Neutrality in the Yemen Crisis: Brought to You by China

As the weather changes in Saudi-Pakistani relations, Pakistan will look to its "all-weather" partner China.


Last week, Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Pakistan to a warm welcome. He left having signed scores of agreements that commit, over several years, billions in Chinese financing and support for various Pakistani infrastructure projects. Beset with a range of problems, Pakistan lacks the indigenous capacity to invest adequately in its own power and infrastructure needs, despite facing major shortfalls in these areas. China and Pakistan enjoy a special relationship by their own admission: they refer to their partnership as an "all weather" one and Xi, prior to arriving in Islamabad, remarked that he felt as if he was "going to visit the home of [his] own brother."

Still, despite the warm rhetoric toward China and years of positive ties between the two countries, when it came to backing Pakistan, both financially and politically, Islamabad had always found support flowing in from the Arabian peninsula to its west. Arab states, most notably Saudi Arabia, have long supported Pakistan at times when it found itself isolated by the international community. Pakistan, in turn, maintains close ties with the Arab world. With Saudi Arabia in particular, Pakistan enjoys a close security relationship. From the early Cold War years through the 1990s, Pakistani military assistance was somewhat taken for granted by Saudi Arabia. Last year, Riyadh gave Pakistan $1.5 billion in an "unconditional grant" to shore up its foreign exchange reserve to service its debts. Additionally, after Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was ousted in a coup in 1999, Riyadh hosted him during his years of exile.

It was Sharif who oversaw Xi's visit to Pakistan last week, and it was Sharif who complied with the Pakistani parliament's decision to stay out of Saudi Arabia's "Operation Decisive Storm" — an air campaign launched in late March against the Houthi rebels in Yemen, led by Saudi Arabia with a coalition of Arab states and the United States backing it. Pakistan's decision to stay out of the conflict stunned observers on the Arabian peninsula. Anwar Gargash, the United Arab Emirates' minister of state for foreign affairs, condemned what he saw as Pakistan's "contradictory and dangerous" move.

Of course, Pakistani policymakers had to have been aware of potential blowback. Maintaining neutrality on the Yemen issue is a major move for Islamabad and one that will surely cause the Saudis and other Arab states flush with cash to reconsider their financial commitments to Islamabad in the future. Fortunately, with the commitments Beijing set out last week, this might now be less of an issue for Pakistan.

A report published Monday in Pakistan's Express Tribune makes the case that the impending Chinese financing buoyed Islamabad's conviction in standing neutral while the Saudi-led coalition bombed Yemen. The billions in investment announced during Xi's visit overshot what any of Pakistan's Arab allies could offer. Certainly, it is preferable for China if its ally and beneficiary stays away from foreign entanglements when it faces a major security threat at home from extremist groups. Shortly after Xi's departure, Pakistan announced that it would create a security force comprising nine army battalions and six wings into civilian security forces to protect Chinese workers in the country. Islamabad appeared to be doubling down its commitment to China over its Arab benefactors.

As The Diplomat recently reported, the reason Xi's trip to Pakistan was announced at the eleventh hour after being delayed beyond its original late-March time line was due to Saudi Arabia's decision to launch Operation Decisive Storm. Xi was originally slated to also visit the Middle East, reportedly including stops in Cairo and Riyadh, in a single trip. Had Islamabad chosen to participate in Saudi Arabia's campaign, Xi's visit could have been delayed further. Additionally, as Mu Chunshan wrote last week, Chinese financing for the Iran-Pakistan pipeline entailed that Pakistan couldn't stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Saudi Arabia in what was widely seen as a proxy conflict between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia (Pakistan itself is a Sunni majority state).

Pakistan acquiesced to these Chinese concerns. In return, Xi reportedly told Sharif, in the words of the Express Tribune, that China "would stand behind Islamabad in the event of unraveling of its ties with the Arab world." The report adds:

The Chinese leader even suggested Pakistan realized its true potential and pointed out that if Islamabad maintained unity in their ranks and implemented the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, then it would not have to look up to outside help either from the West or Arab countries.:rofl:

To be sure, Pakistan hasn't left Arab states behind altogether — at least not yet. It remains to be seen if the fallout from Pakistan's neutrality over Yemen will affect the broader relationship between Islamabad and Riyadh. Additionally, there is reason to view last week's agreements between China and Pakistan with some skepticism. Despite optimistic headlines touting amounts in the billions, there is a considerable gap between what China has promised Pakistan in the past and what it has actually delivered. One study found that just six percent of what China promised Pakistan in terms of aid, assistance, and investment between 2001 and 2011 was delivered ($66 billion was pledged in total). Things may be different this time, given Xi Jinping's personal interest in developing Pakistan as the linchpin of his One Belt, One Road initiative, but China's track record in Pakistan leaves much to be desired.

Pakistan's decisions over the past month could spark a longer-term recalibration in Riyadh and other Arab capitals. Despite what Saudi Arabia may have told Islamabad, its financial backing over the years was far from "unconditional" for Pakistan. It was a down payment for Pakistani support for Saudi policies in the region — the money came with a heap of strings attached. After saying no to Saudi Arabia, Pakistan will have to look to China to keep it afloat. Time will tell if Beijing can hold up its end of the "all-weather" partnership and deliver on what it has promised.


Pakistan's Neutrality in the Yemen Crisis: Brought to You by China | The Diplomat


In return, Xi reportedly told Sharif, in the words of the Express Tribune, that China "would stand behind Islamabad in the event of unraveling of its ties with the Arab world."

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The Chinese leader even suggested Pakistan realized its true potential and pointed out that if Islamabad maintained unity in their ranks and implemented the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, then it would not have to look up to outside help either from the West or Arab countries
Another hermit kingdom in the making? like NoKo? This time Pakistan.

Bonus: .Nawas can have his own merry making team :kinky:

Note on diplomacy:
No two countries should be hyper overtly public about relationships like "Iron brothers" ,"deeper than deepest you know what" cuz its stupidity of highest order in an ever changing world where political dynamics change every few hours and minutes.

Be friend to all and enemy to none. Strong be your kungfu and elegant be your dance. :India:
@Ray, @pmaitra, @sgarg , @Rashna, @Prometheus, @sob et al
 
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Even pakistanis don't believe this investment from China is going to come through!

Sarcastic TV anchor and guest.

 
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As pointed in the article above the Chinese track record in Pakistan has not been exemplary. The case of the sub standard Chinese Railway engines comes to the forefront immediately.

Chinese investment in Africa and the change in public perception of the local population after some years is an important factor which the Pakistani's will have to keep in mind.
 

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In simple terms China wants to move their COAL power plants to Pakistan and make money also use it as an energy corridor.

A few power plants projects must have started in this regard

China puts the deal..Pakis approves

China makes plant
Paki protects the plant
China sells coal
China makes electricity
China sells electricity


In Short . All Paki bases are belong to China..Kinda sensed it when the media quoted XI saying "The Chinese leader even suggested Pakistan realized its true potential and pointed out that if Islamabad maintained unity in their ranks and implemented the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, then it would not have to look up to outside help either from the West or Arab countries"


Well..what they say..Neo-colonialism?

Neocolonialism (also Neo-colonialism or Neo-imperialism) is the geopolitical practice of using capitalism, business globalization, and cultural imperialism to influence a country, in lieu of either direct military control or indirect political control, i.e. imperialism and hegemony.
For a failed country like Pak..it has no much choice anyway.
 

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They are accused of colonialism in Africa too.

China Takes Wary Steps Into New Africa Deals - WSJ

In simple terms China wants to move their COAL power plants to Pakistan and make money also use it as an energy corridor.

A few power plants projects must have started in this regard

China puts the deal..Pakis approves

China makes plant
Paki protects the plant
China sells coal
China makes electricity
China sells electricity


In Short . All Paki bases are belong to China..Kinda sensed it when the media quoted XI saying "The Chinese leader even suggested Pakistan realized its true potential and pointed out that if Islamabad maintained unity in their ranks and implemented the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor project, then it would not have to look up to outside help either from the West or Arab countries"


Well..what they say..Neo-colonialism?



For a failed country like Pak..it has no much choice anyway.
 

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