Ukraine postpones 'trade suicide', halts talks with EU

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Putin victorious as Ukraine postpones 'trade suicide', halts talks with EU

Facing its most important economic crosswords since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Kiev has aligned itself closer to Russia, and has suspended preparations to sign an EU trade deal.

Russia has warned a step west towards Ukraine would be "trade suicide" and result in billions in lost trade revenue and that joining the Russia-led Customs Union is more beneficial.

Ukraine will "restore an active dialogue" with the Customs Union and the CIS, as economic and foreign ministers proposed Ukraine, Russia, and the EU create a tri-party commission to improve and strengthen trade relations.

President's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russia welcomed Ukraine's decision to actively develop ties with Moscow, and Putin added he wasn't completely against Ukraine's association with EU.

Putin said he supports the idea of trilateral trade talks, but only up until Ukraine signs an association agreement with the EU.
More @Source: http://rt.com/business/ukraine-eu-deal-suspended-088/ also Ukraine Ditches Plans for EU Deal, Turns to Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti

I think Ukraine is making the right move here. Joining the EU will not be good for Ukraina in the long term.
 

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US 'Disappointed' in Ukraine's Stalled EU Deal

The United States on Thursday expressed disappointment with Ukraine's decision to abandon the planned signing of landmark agreements with the EU at a summit in Lithuania next week, deals that could have weakened Kiev's ties with Russia.
"If the decision is the Ukrainian government's final decision before Vilnius, we're disappointed," US State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told a news briefing. "We believe there was ample time to resolve all remaining obstacles to signing the association agreement in Vilnius with sufficient effort and commitment."
Ukraine's government announced Thursday that it was halting plans to sign association agreements and free trade deals with the EU at the two-day summit in Vilnius that kicks off November 28, citing a need to consolidate economic ties with Russia and members of the Kremlin-led Customs Union trade bloc.
US 'Disappointed' in Ukraine's Stalled EU Deal | Russia | RIA Novosti

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Putin victorious as Ukraine postpones 'trade suicide', halts talks with EU



More @Source: http://rt.com/business/ukraine-eu-deal-suspended-088/ also Ukraine Ditches Plans for EU Deal, Turns to Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti

I think Ukraine is making the right move here. Joining the EU will not be good for Ukraina in the long term.
Yours is certainly one way of looking at it.

But to my mind, whichever decision Ukraine takes was always going to be the wrong one. They have been far too fickle, switching from ine side to the other at the drop of a hat.

Thats not the way to conduct foreign policy. Both the EU & Russia led CIS have been lef with a bad taste in their mouths, and neither will forget this amateur behaviour of Ukranian politicians.
 

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Yours is certainly one way of looking at it.

But to my mind, whichever decision Ukraine takes was always going to be the wrong one. They have been far too fickle, switching from ine side to the other at the drop of a hat.

Thats not the way to conduct foreign policy. Both the EU & Russia led CIS have been lef with a bad taste in their mouths, and neither will forget this amateur behaviour of Ukranian politicians.
Agreed. Ukrainian politicians have proved inept at handling foreign policy and economy (during Soviet times Ukraina was the second largest economy among soviet states, now it's one of the poorest among post-Soviet states).
But I think it would be better for them to move forward with the Customs Union rather than with the EU (which is a pos, anyway).
 
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Facing Russian Threat, Ukraine Halts Plans for Deals with E.U.

NY times Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/w...ader-raising-concerns-over-eu-talks.html?_r=0

Notice the twisted wording of the NY times article. :tsk:
Yes Russia did pressure Ukraina to join the Russian led Customs Union, just like the EU pressured Ukraine to make deals with them (EU) or face repercussions.
Ukraine shares a lot in common with Russia (culturally and economy-wise), which would be one reason to choose the Customs Union.
And another major reason Ukraine is moving away from the EU, is unwanted meddling in internal affairs (tymoshenko) by the EU and the US.
 
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according to BBC News - Former Soviet republics: Winners and losers it's shocking to note it hasn't recovered from the trauma up to date. GDP per capita (constant 2000 US$) of Ukraine in 2010 was lower than 1990! it's understandable to a degree. Soviet Union had a big internal market like present-day EU, in which some republics were agri oriented, some heavy industry, some perhaps energy (Kazakh alike), thus interdependent. the fundamentals havent changed much as Ukr still relies on Russia gas - http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/29/us-russia-ukraine-gas-idUSBRE99S16420131029 - Russia can strangle Ukr any time! no wonder Ukr. has to back off from EU talks.

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according to BBC News - Former Soviet republics: Winners and losers it's shocking to note it hasn't recovered from the trauma up to date. GDP per capita (constant 2000 US$) of Ukraine in 2010 was lower than 1990! it's understandable to a degree. Soviet Union had a big internal market like present-day EU, in which some republics were agri oriented, some heavy industry, some perhaps energy (Kazakh alike), thus interdependent. the fundamentals havent changed much as Ukr still relies on Russia gas - ......
As I said, the collapse of the Soviet union has been a disaster (at least economy-wise) for most Soviet states, esp. Ukraina.
Also yup Russians will not sit quietly when Ukraine, which is the birthplace of Russia, is taken away from Russia's influence.
 

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Russia has been emboldened to wield the energy card WESTWARD thanks to big deals striken with EASTERN buyers. now u see Russia even attempts brokering 2 Koreas for a pipeline through the peninsula. quite a "rebalancing" in the double headed eagle's calculus.

hard power is the source of soft power.

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Ukraine PM Says His Country Not Seeking Entry to Customs Union

KIEV, November 23 (RIA Novosti) – Ukraine's prime minister said late Friday that his country's snap decision not to pursue closer economic ties with Europe did not mean it would instead seek entry into the Moscow-led Customs Union trade bloc.
Ukraine's government stunned European officials this week by announcing that it was suspending preparations for EU association agreements that had been due to be concluded in a matter of days in favor of reviving the relationship with Russia.
Ukraine PM Says His Country Not Seeking Entry to Customs Union | World | RIA Novosti
 

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EU Presidency Says Ukraine Admits Moscow Derailed Trade Deals

VILNIUS, November 22 (RIA Novosti) – A top aide to Lithuania's president said Friday that Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych admitted Kiev backed off this week from signing landmark trade deals with the EU under pressure from Russia.
Ukraine sent shockwaves through Europe on Thursday when it announced a halt to preparations for association agreements with the European Union, a move that would have weakened the former Soviet state's economic ties with its neighbor Russia.
Jovita Neliupsiene, an advisor to the president of Lithuania, which currently holds the EU's rotating presidency, cited Yanukovych as saying his country acted in the face of economic intimidation from Moscow.
Yanukovych told Lithuanian President Dalia Grybauskaite that Russia threatened to limit the import of Ukrainian goods, particularly from the eastern regions that constitute the Ukrainian president's support base, Neliupsiene said.
Such a Russian move would have cost Ukraine heavy financial losses and caused the closure of companies where thousands of people work, Yanukovych said, according to Neliupsiene.
EU Presidency Says Ukraine Admits Moscow Derailed Trade Deals | Russia | RIA Novosti

Duh, why should Russia help a nation that tries to sign agreements with a union that works to undermine Russia.

Good move Russia, and good decision by Ukraine to stay away from the EU.
 

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Putin: EU blackmailing Ukraine over halt in trade deal

Russian President Vladimir Putin has accused the EU of "blackmailing" and "pressuring" Ukraine over its decision to suspend preparations for a trade pact with the bloc. He added that Ukraine's decision will be clear in the next few days.

"When we heard (I just found out yesterday) that Ukraine has suspended – not canceled but suspended – negotiations with the EU and wants to review everything, we heard a threat from the EU to Ukraine up to the point of holding mass protests. This is pressure and blackmail," Putin said at a joint press conference with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in St. Petersburg.

Putin reiterated Russia's readiness to hold three-way talks with the EU and Ukraine on trade and the economy.

"President Yanukovych suggested that we should have three-way talks on these problems," Putin said. "We are ready to participate in such talks, and this is in a way a test of how serious our European partners' intentions are. It's a test of how ready our European friends are to conduct negotiations on an equal basis, or the absence of such readiness."

Putin added that there "shouldn't be any politicizing" of the situation, adding that Turkey has a "big experience of negotiating with the EU" and Russia will ask the advice of Ankara on how to behave in this situation.

Erdogan smiled, and said it "was a not a joke," as Turkey has 50 years' experience of trade talks with the EU.

Ukraine's integration with the EU is not a political issue, but an economic one, Putin added.

At one point in the press conference, Putin lightened the mood with a joke – at America's expense.

A Russian journalist brought up the question of a phone call between Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and his Lithuanian counterpart, Dalia Grybauskaite. Grybauskaite's aide, Jovita Neliupšienė, claimed that Moscow had warned Kiev off the EU deal, the journalist said.

Putin replied he had no information about what was said in the call, but added, smiling, that maybe the question should be asked instead to the United States.

"I do not know what the president of Ukraine and the president of Lithuania were talking about. Maybe we can ask our American friends and they can tell us. But they haven't said anything to us yet," Putin said, apparently referring to the latest scandal with the US National Security Agency's surveillance program and their tapping of EU leaders' phones. :pound: :pound:

Ukraine's government signed a degree Thursday suspending preparations for the association agreement between Ukraine and the EU. Lawmakers said that the decision was taken after Kiev considered the effects of the association on its trade relations with Moscow.

Russia welcomed Kiev's desire to rekindle ties with Moscow, and Putin said that he wasn't completely against Ukraine's association with the EU. The Ukrainian president however said that his country would continue its efforts towards European integration, despite the "difficulties."

Putin said Friday that after Ukraine's decision, the two countries now have a free trade zone agreement.

"It means that in many product groups, very sensitive to both countries, we have zero export and import tariffs. The level of customs protection of our territory in relations with EU partners is very different. We have achieved this status as a result of negotiations within the framework of the World Trade Organization, which were carried out over the past 17 years."

If Ukraine signs a trade pact with the EU resetting its trade tariffs, then this would automatically affect Russia if it keeps its free trade zone with Ukraine, Putin said, adding that this could destroy entire sectors of the Russian economy.

Putin said that the competitiveness of Russian agriculture and a number of other industries had not yet met the European Union's requirements. If Ukraine went ahead with its Euro-integration deal, Russia would be forced to cancel preferential tariffs with Kiev, he said.
Source: http://rt.com/news/putin-eu-ukraine-blackmail-151/
 

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Agreed. Ukrainian politicians have proved inept at handling foreign policy and economy (during Soviet times Ukraina was the second largest economy among soviet states, now it's one of the poorest among post-Soviet states).
Ukraine, still the second largest economy in the CIS. Certainly, it is impossible to compare the economy of Ukraine with the economy UkrSSR, but it is not a poor country.
 

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What good help it does to pre ussr states to become member of europe block

And those states which have become member has their fortune changed
 

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Ukraine third of turnover accounted for the Customs Union, a third to Europe and third to other countries. If Ukraine will sign an association, the Customs Union will introduce new tax barriers that have a negative impact on the industry of the southeast of the country. And the that part of the country produces ll engineering. From harvesters up to spaceships. Europe, Ukraine refused to help offset the financial losses and move on to the European standards, therefore President Yanukovych signed't the association.
 

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"I do not know what the president of Ukraine and the president of Lithuania were talking about. Maybe we can ask our American friends and they can tell us. But they haven't said anything to us yet," Putin said, apparently referring to the latest scandal with the US National Security Agency's surveillance program and their tapping of EU leaders' phones.
epic man Putin at his best
 

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Protests Swell in Ukraine, Rioters Clash With Police


Hooligan attacking the police.


Unidentified hooligans break the door of the Kiev City Hall building


Hooligans doing BS.
KIEV, December 1 (RIA Novosti) – Police and protesters engaged in running street battles Sunday in front of Ukraine's presidential administration in the capital as anger grows at a government decision to pull back from signing a deal for closer relations with the EU.
Nearby in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev, hundreds of thousands of people, many of them waving national flags, gathered in a separate peaceful demonstration on Independence Square.
Discontent at the reversal over the conclusion of a series of EU deals that had been due to be signed last week is increasingly escalating into calls for the resignation of President Viktor Yanukovych.
Protests have been taking place for more than a week in Kiev, but took a sour turn Saturday morning when police violently cleared Independence Square, which served as the focal point of the Orange Revolution in the winter of 2004.
The violence continued for a second day running Sunday as a group of people attempted to storm the presidential administration building.
A group of protesters used a bulldozer to break through police cordons surrounding the presidential administration.
Opposition deputies arrived at the scene and appealed to people not to storm the building after protesters threw rocks at police, who responded by deploying tear gas and stun grenades.
Government opponent and businessman Petro Poroshenko said the people attempting to storm the presidential administration had nothing to do with the broader protest movement and called their actions a provocation.
The Interior Ministry said 100 officers had been injured in the clashes. Officials had said earlier in the day that two policemen were injured by the bulldozer. The city government said 22 protesters had sought treatment for injuries sustained during clashes.
Ukrainian and Russian TV channels reported that protesters had managed to enter the city administration building, and showed footage of activists sitting in the building's main meeting hall.
Opposition politician Vitali Klitschko called on protesters to refrain from illegal activities.
"If anyone incites you to go and storm state institutions, it could be very dangerous. Don't be fooled by provocateurs," Klitschko said at the rally on Independence Square on Sunday.
Another group of young people broke into the trade union headquarters in the center of Kiev, the UNIAN news agency reported.
Protests began in Kiev and other Ukrainian cities after the country unexpectedly announced on November 21 that it was postponing preparations for the signing of agreements with the EU that it had been expected to sign at a summit that ended Friday.
Ukraine's government said it would instead focus on strengthening its ties with its neighbor Russia, which had threatened Ukraine with stricter customs rules if it went ahead with the EU pact.
On Saturday, riot police violently dispersed the protest on Independence Square, eliciting condemnation from politicians and the public both inside and outside the former Soviet state.
The crackdown appears to have poured fuel on the flames of the protest movement.
Protests Swell in Ukraine, Rioters Clash With Police | World | RIA Novosti

Either these people are crazy or Western money is being used very efficiently for fueling these protests.

In any case these hooligans need to be put in place. Maybe they'll send in the Berkut.
 

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@Akim
What re your thoughts. Should Ukraina go forge closer ties with Russia or with the so called "European Union" ?
Please share your personal views, if you re comfortable with it. Otherwise ignore this message.

Thanks.
 
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@<a href="http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/member.php?u=11405" target="_blank">Akim</a>
What re your thoughts. Should Ukraina go forge closer ties with Russia or with the so called "European Union" ?
Please share your personal views, if you re comfortable with it. Otherwise ignore this message.

Thanks.
I do not know how to answer. Events developing rapidly. If Ukraine will sign an association agreement in this variant, the country will become the European sales market cheap goods, and its industry will die. South-east of the country almost protest. Only small rallies against the violent dispersal of a peaceful meeting police. But no one there to overthrow the government encourages.
Here is the beginning of the dispersal a rally. In the police flying stones, bottles, burning wood. To someone was beneficial to provoke Berkut (spetsnaz Ukrainian police) on the use of force.
 
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