If the Indian Army had to start a war with Pakistan

[Bhadra]

All right let us go back to why India fought four wars with Pakistan?

First cause was Egoitic and misguided Ledership and Generalship of Pakistan (In 1971 Indira Gandhi)

Leadership plays very important role...

Three out of the four times the cause was J&K.

So, the second cause of a war between India and Pakistan could still be Pakistan,s insatiable desire to annex J&K.

 

[ALBY]

The question is not how. The question is why will India invade Pakistan?

Invading Pakistan will be our worst blunder coz in india itself we had enough head aches.Invading Pakistan means first we had to defeat their frontline armed forces which will not be a cake walk unless they are unarmed.Evenif we some how destroyed the frontline forces completely there starts the major problem guerilla warfare by the second line troops,mujahids,civilians also foreign mercenaries around the world will be called to the lahore to thwart away infidels.Final result we will have our own vietnam.As India is not USA and Pakistan is not North Vietnam the death toll won't stop at 57000.

 

[Bhadra]

Invading Pakistan will be our worst blunder coz in india itself we had enough head aches.Invading Pakistan means first we had to defeat their frontline armed forces which will not be a cake walk unless they are unarmed.Evenif we some how destroyed the frontline forces completely there starts the major problem guerilla warfare by the second line troops,mujahids,civilians also foreign mercenaries around the world will be called to the lahore to thwart away infidels.Final result we will have our own vietnam.As India is not USA and Pakistan is not North Vietnam the death toll won't stop at 57000.

Brother, you are again getting into nitty grities of what where and how. I hope my question is clear.
What will be the compelling circumstances and reason that India would have no choice left but to attack Pakistan?
Now tell me. I have given two reasons, give me your reason.

I wish to analyse the same not for the conduct of a war but for war avoidance.

 

[Bhadra]

Can flash floods and Dam bursts in Pakistan sweeping entire Indus valley be a reason for military intervention in aid of Pakistan Pakistan ?

Can a big nuclear accident and millions of casualties be a reason for Indian military intervention in Pakistan?

Can Pakistani attack on Iran be a cause for India's declaring a war on Pakistan?

 

[Yusuf]

Can flash floods and Dam bursts in Pakistan sweeping entire Indus valley be a reason for military intervention in aid of Pakistan Pakistan ?

Can a big nuclear accident and millions of casualties be a reason for Indian military intervention in Pakistan?

Can Pakistani attack on Iran be a cause for India's declaring a war on Pakistan?

1) No why?
2) No why?
3) possible. If Iran seeks assistance.

 

[Bhadra]

1) No why?
2) No why?
3) possible. If Iran seeks assistance.

you can not remain a silent spectator. After all it is neighbourhood.

I know first they will blame it on India, then they will refuse help, but finally they will have to accept Indian help under international pressure.

But if Pakistan attacks Iran at USA behest and Iran asks India's help, can India still do it?

 

[Yusuf]

you can not remain a silent spectator. After all it is neighbourhood.

I know first they will blame it on India, then they will refuse help, but finally they will have to accept Indian help under international pressure.

But if Pakistan attacks Iran at USA behest and Iran asks India's help, can India still do it?

Seriously there cannot be a military attack in response to a humanitarian disaster.

I dont see Pakistan attacking Iran on its own accord let alone at the behest of the US. Pakistan is trying hard to develop good ties with the Iranians.

One reason India can pre empt is if there is a civil war and india faces a refugee crisis ala BD.

 

[ALBY]

But if Pakistan attacks Iran at USA behest and Iran asks India's help, can India still do it?

In the current scenario India won't help Iran as USA is a super power and a supporter of India plus supporting Iran means India had to field its armies directly against those of US. That is not gonna in even dreams. The only thing we are gonna do is to make some drama in UN along mother Russia and bhai china oh I forgot CPI(M),fwd block and CPI will call for a 24 hrs national hartal in protes against invasion of Iran .
But if this all are gonna happen in 2030 then there are chances of India rushing for help considering our status. At that time.

 

[Yusuf]

In the current scenario India won't help Iran as USA is a super power and a supporter of India plus supporting Iran means India had to field its armies directly against those of US. That is not gonna in even dreams. The only thing we are gonna do is to make some drama in UN along mother Russia and bhai china oh I forgot CPI(M),fwd block and CPI will call for a 24 hrs national hartal in protes against invasion of Iran .
But if this all are gonna happen in 2030 then there are chances of India rushing for help considering our status. At that time.

2030 is way too long a time frame. My time frame is less than a half a dozen years.

 

[Bhadra]

Mitigation of disasters is one of the major tasks of the Armed Forces and they have to plan and work for such contingencies.

These are some of the major tasks for US Navy and particularly the USAF. If USAF can plan for nuclear disaster and relief operations in Indian subcontinent, then why not IAF and IA?

In fact US relies heavily on Indian Forces to take a lead role in disaster management in South East Asia and South Asia as during Sunami.

Not war but it is a military intervention.

 

[Bhadra]

Have not we gone away from the topic - why will India attack Pakistan?
One answer is if Pakistan attacks India - obviously India will attack Pakistan? That scenario can not be denied as in Kargil !

 

[Yusuf]

Mitigation of disasters is one of the major tasks of the Armed Forces and they have to plan and work for such contingencies.

These are some of the major tasks for US Navy and particularly the USAF. If USAF can plan for nuclear disaster and relief operations in Indian subcontinent, then why not IAF and IA?

In fact US relies heavily on Indian Forces to take a lead role in disaster management in South East Asia and South Asia as during Sunami.

Not war but it is a military intervention.

But we at talking about a planned war to achieve certain goals.

 

[aerokan]

Dec 21, 2012

'TOI'let paper headlines: Top Secret strategic documents leak again: GOI calls them fakes

As per sources, leaked top secret documents reveal a major strategic shift in the Indian policy towards India's neighbours especially Pakistan. Though GOI vehemently denies them to be legitmate, analysts who are familiar with the kind of documents suggests that they can be as real as they can get.

Considering that the attacks by the next door neighbour Pakistan on Indian soil are becoming more frequent and to top it, the support of the pakistani establishment towards those attacks covertly and overtly is not seeing any changes, Indian govt decided to take the asymmetric warfare to the next level. For every attack on the Indian soil by state or sponsored 'non-state' actors, Indian govt will assasinate one major terrorist leader in the most wanted list openly roaming the streets of Pakistan, one top rung leader of the army/ISI responsible for the operations, one major political leader actively supporting the anti-Indian establishment. To top it all, Indian govt will start supporting openly/covertly one resistance movement (ala Sindh, Baloch, Pashtun freedom movements) everytime an attack happens. Based on the intensity of the attack, Indian defense forces may decide to intervene in Pakistan and grab a part of the country. Analysts predict that despite the pakistani nuclear threats, Indian govt is now confident of it's capability to defend the territory against any nuclear attacks with the missile shield. If the documents are to be believed, it will be a major strategic shift in India's outlook and also puts an enormous pressure on pakistan to not only exercise severe restraint but also the onus of stopping terror attacks from the non-state actors rests with the pakistani establishment. This will change the equations of the Asia dramatically. This can be the long delayed response of the Indian establishment to the current Pakistani strategy of 'damage by 1000 cuts'.

 

[Yusuf]

Dec 21, 2012

'TOI'let paper headlines: Top Secret strategic documents leak again: GOI calls them fakes

As per sources, leaked top secret documents reveal a major strategic shift in the Indian policy towards India's neighbours especially Pakistan. Though GOI vehemently denies them to be legitmate, analysts who are familiar with the kind of documents suggests that they can be as real as they can get.

Considering that the attacks by the next door neighbour Pakistan on Indian soil are becoming more frequent and to top it, the support of the pakistani establishment towards those attacks covertly and overtly is not seeing any changes, Indian govt decided to take the asymmetric warfare to the next level. For every attack on the Indian soil by state or sponsored 'non-state' actors, Indian govt will assasinate one major terrorist leader in the most wanted list openly roaming the streets of Pakistan, one top rung leader of the army/ISI responsible for the operations, one major political leader actively supporting the anti-Indian establishment. To top it all, Indian govt will start supporting openly/covertly one resistance movement (ala Sindh, Baloch, Pashtun freedom movements) everytime an attack happens. Based on the intensity of the attack, Indian defense forces may decide to intervene in Pakistan and grab a part of the country. Analysts predict that despite the pakistani nuclear threats, Indian govt is now confident of it's capability to defend the territory against any nuclear attacks with the missile shield. If the documents are to be believed, it will be a major strategic shift in India's outlook and also puts an enormous pressure on pakistan to not only exercise severe restraint but also the onus of stopping terror attacks from the non-state actors rests with the pakistani establishment. This will change the equations of the Asia dramatically. This can be the long delayed response of the Indian establishment to the current Pakistani strategy of 'damage by 1000 cuts'.

Music to my ears if true. Seriously the government is growing a brain and some balls??

 

[Bhadra]

Music to my ears if true. Seriously the government is growing a brain and some balls??

So far in about nine web pages we have only reached a conclusions that the heat crated by insurgencies and terrorism inside India by Pakistan will force India to apply its military might against Pakistan. The internal disturbance can be related to J&K, the Maoists (overtly and covertly helped by India) or large scale terrorist attack on cities and political establishments.

Similarily if Pakistans political and geographical existence is threatened, then she bay be pushed to wage a war.

But Can what ever is happening in NE be a cause of conflict between India and Pakistan>

 

[Yusuf]

Ok change to topic but part of a larger plan to find a military solution, what all can india to overtly/covertly to put solids pressure on Pakistan that Pakistan attacks first once again and india Just grabs the opportunity with both hands as it wanted just that.

 

[rock127]

Dec 21, 2012

'TOI'let paper headlines: Top Secret strategic documents leak again: GOI calls them fakes

As per sources, leaked top secret documents reveal a major strategic shift in the Indian policy towards India's neighbours especially Pakistan. Though GOI vehemently denies them to be legitmate, analysts who are familiar with the kind of documents suggests that they can be as real as they can get.

Considering that the attacks by the next door neighbour Pakistan on Indian soil are becoming more frequent and to top it, the support of the pakistani establishment towards those attacks covertly and overtly is not seeing any changes, Indian govt decided to take the asymmetric warfare to the next level. For every attack on the Indian soil by state or sponsored 'non-state' actors, Indian govt will assasinate one major terrorist leader in the most wanted list openly roaming the streets of Pakistan, one top rung leader of the army/ISI responsible for the operations, one major political leader actively supporting the anti-Indian establishment. To top it all, Indian govt will start supporting openly/covertly one resistance movement (ala Sindh, Baloch, Pashtun freedom movements) everytime an attack happens. Based on the intensity of the attack, Indian defense forces may decide to intervene in Pakistan and grab a part of the country. Analysts predict that despite the pakistani nuclear threats, Indian govt is now confident of it's capability to defend the territory against any nuclear attacks with the missile shield. If the documents are to be believed, it will be a major strategic shift in India's outlook and also puts an enormous pressure on pakistan to not only exercise severe restraint but also the onus of stopping terror attacks from the non-state actors rests with the pakistani establishment. This will change the equations of the Asia dramatically. This can be the long delayed response of the Indian establishment to the current Pakistani strategy of 'damage by 1000 cuts'.

Practically speaking...what option do India have to deter or counter Paki nuke attacks... has anyone even heard of any nuke shelters or our BMD is strong enough for now to destroy?

When would those terrorist leaders would be assasinated? All we know is that they are living in Pakistan lavishly for decades.

 

[Bhadra]

Ok change to topic but part of a larger plan to find a military solution, what all can india to overtly/covertly to put solids pressure on Pakistan that Pakistan attacks first once again and india Just grabs the opportunity with both hands as it wanted just that.

* Insurgencies and destabilisation of Pakistan internally will force PA to attack India militarily.
* bad or volatile situation in J&K or Punjab may be temping for Pakistan to attack India once again.
* gradual control of rivers flowing into Pakisatn may also force them to attack India.

the above is both ways ...

 

[Yusuf]

Exactly that. India could rather make it overt it's support for separatists in Pakistan and push Pakistan to the brink.

 

[Bhadra]

Exactly that. India could rather make it overt it's support for separatists in Pakistan and push Pakistan to the brink.

But let first India get ready for war - Gen VK Singh's letter refers. There is no long time stake holder here. They all are "Sanu Ki.."