China Tests Midcourse Missile Interception

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The 2006 test by India was not THAAD, India has not acquired THAAD even the X band radar given to Israel is operated only by US personnel. I have given links for mid course interception conducted by other countries before China's test and I have give links for exo atmospheric tests done by India. People can choose to believe the things they want to believe but the facts remain the same. The link you gave is from 2007 and mid course interception is mentioned there.
 

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The missile test India conducted in 2006 was a THAAD, not a mid-course interceptor. Note that THAAD should have lower exo-atmosphere capability.

From South Asia Monitor: A Perspective on the Region:
That is correct.


The claim that only the U.S. tested true mid-course interception before China is correct.
That is not.

"The A-35 anti-ballistic missile system, or A-35 Aldan, was a Soviet military battle management radar complex deployed around Moscow to intercept enemy missiles targeting the city or its surrounding areas. In development since the 1960s and in operation from 1971 [1] until the 1990s, It featured the nuclear-tipped exoatmospheric interceptor ABM-1 Galosh. The missile was the first Soviet ABM in operation."

The system has been tested five times at the Sary Shagan Launch Facility: one each in 1971, 1976, and 1977, and two more tests during 1993 and 1999.
ABM-1 Galosh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The A-35 system was followed by the A-135.

The integrated system is composed of:

* 'Hen House' radars at Mishelevka (Irkutsk), Olenegorsk, Sary Shagan, Kamchatka and Abalakova, near Krasnoyarsk.

* The Pushkino Don-2NP (NATO reporting name : 'Pill Box') large battle-management phased-array radar with 360º coverage for the long-range interceptors supplementing the 'Dog House' and 'Cat House' radars.(56°10′30″N 37°45′54″E / 56.175°N 37.765°E / 56.175; 37.765 )

* Two Daryal-type (NATO: 'Pechora') bistatic phased-array early warning radars, deployed at Pechora and Qabala radar in Qabala, Azerbaijan (40°52′14.6″N 47°48′09.6″E / 40.870722°N 47.802667°E / 40.870722; 47.802667) Five other Daryal sites have never been completed.

* The ABM-3 phased-array short-range battle management radar, replacing the 'Try Add' radars.

* 16 launchers of long-range SH-11 'Gorgon' exoatmospheric interceptor missiles at two launch sites with eight missiles each (56°14′55.40″N 38°35′13.18″E / 56.248722°N 38.5869944°E / 56.248722; 38.5869944 and 55°20′49.70″N 36°28′59.08″E / 55.347139°N 36.4830778°E / 55.347139; 36.4830778), originally designed with nuclear warheads. Comparable to LIM-49A Spartan (at least in function).

* 68 launchers of short-range SH-08 'Gazelle' endoatmospheric interceptor missiles at five launch sites with 12 or 16 missiles each, though designed originally with nuclear warheads. Designed by NPO Novator, similar to US Sprint missile.

* Command, communications and intelligence services
A-135 anti-ballistic missile system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Gorgon (SH-11/ABM-4), also known by its Russian designation, 51T6, is a long-range interceptor missile designed and manufactured by the Soviet Union.(1) At present, 32 Gorgon interceptors are deployed around Moscow as part of System A-135.


In 1978, the Soviet Union decided to build a new anti-ballistic missile system around Moscow. System A-135 was designed with two tiers of defense: (1) long-range exoatmospheric interceptors and (2) short-range endoatmospheric interceptors. The long-range 51T6 interceptor, developed and manufactured by the Fakel Machine Building Design Bureau, was an upgraded version of the Galosh (SH-04/ABM-1) missile deployed at System A-35, the predecessor to System A-135.(2)


By 1988, a total of 32 Gorgon interceptors had been deployed in four underground launch sites around Moscow containing eight interceptors each.(3) Including the 68 short-range Gazelle (SH-08/ABM-3) interceptors, System A-135 was technically compliant with the 1972 ABM Treaty, which allowed a total of 100 missiles. However, a loophole in the treaty allowed the Soviet missiles to protect both the capital city as well as nearby ICBM bases, thus maximizing System A-135’s functionality. Had the U.S. gone ahead with a similar system, for instance, it would have had to choose between defending either Washington, DC, or the ICBM silos in North Dakota: not both.


State acceptance tests of System A-135 were completed by the end of 1989. That same year, the Soviets decided to modernize the system even further to improve its combat performance. Thus, work continued on the new system during its period of experimental use, which lasted until the middle of 1994. At that point, the Gorgons were placed on full combat alert.(4)


As the exoatmospheric tier of System A-135, the Gorgon was designed to detonate a 1-megaton nuclear warhead just outside the Earth’s atmosphere and destroy any incoming ballistic missiles descending upon Moscow. In the event of an attack on Moscow, the idea was that the Gorgons would serve as a first line of defense and, if any warheads managed to evade them, the short-range Gazelle interceptors would provide a second layer of protection.(5)


The Gorgon was constructed with three liquid-fueled boosters, giving it a vertical range of approximately 350 kilometers. Special emphasis was given to radiation hardening, since it was presumed that the Gorgon would be operating in an environment of frequent nuclear explosions, whether from incoming re-entry vehicles or other Gorgon and Gazelle interceptor missiles. Due to its long-range capability, the Gorgon also had a limited anti-satellite capability against targets in low earth orbit.(6)


In early 1998, Russia announced that, in the interest of safety, it had removed the original nuclear warheads from its Gorgon interceptors replaced them with conventional high explosive warheads. Many had warned that if the Gazelle’s 1-megaton nuclear warhead was actually detonated above Moscow, its electromagnetic pulse would create havoc below, severely damaging all non-hardened electronic equipment. For instance, a blast at an altitude of 50 miles would affect a 500-mile radius, while a blast at 100 miles would affect a 900-mile radius. It is unclear, however, whether all of the Gorgons currently carry conventional warheads, or if some are still armed with 1-megaton nuclear warheads.(7)


In recent years, many in the U.S. and elsewhere have pointed out that, while the Gorgon and Gazelle interceptors might be effective against a single warhead attack, they would be quickly overwhelmed in the event of a multi-warhead strike.(8) Others have claimed that the interceptor missiles would have a difficult time distinguishing between warheads and other objects, a factor that severely limits the effectiveness of System A-135 in the present age of sophisticated decoys and countermeasures.(9)


In 2002, Anatoliy Sokolov, former commander of Russia’s missile and space defense army, confirmed U.S. suspicions that the Gorgon and Gazelle interceptors had become obsolete: “It makes no sense to maintain a dying system, as the existing antimissile defense is unable to provide efficient protection of the area, let alone the entire country.”(10)
MissileThreat :: Gorgon (SH-11/ABM-4)

However, I hasten to add that while the A-135's range was not impressive in comparison to US or perhaps even chinese interceptors, it nevertheless employed kinetic kill interceptors that destroyed incoming missiles in exoatmosphere.

If the S-400, as Almaz/Antei Concern of Air Defence (PVO Konsern) and Fakel claim, is intended to intercept and destroy airborne targets at distances of up to 400 km., and given that the apogee of most ICBM's is at approximately 1,200 km, then the S-400 Triumf will intercept missiles in the mid-course decent phase.

People here seem not to understand what the mid-course phase is:

The following diagaram from Stratfor will help:



The mid-course phase is anywhere prior to reentry and post boost - burnout. In other words, the mid-course phase is the contiguous stage in the flight envelope, prior to re-entry and post boost-phase, with the mid-course ascent, occuring before apogee, and mid-course descent, occurring after apogee.

Any intercept occurring during this 'coast' phase, which for typical ICBM's ends at over 100 km., is a mid-course intercept. Ofcourse, the higher the better, to minimize debris and fallout.

Interception altitudes, then are simply a function of boost-vehicle trajectory & range, (in the case of EKV;s) kinematic energy & related dissipation rates, and radar detection ranges.
 

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If China and Russia exchange KKV and big plane engine, it would be a win-win.
KKV will be important for deterrenting outer space bombers and scouts.
China demand big plane for civil and military purpose.
 
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If China and Russia exchange KKV and big plane technology, it would be a win-win.
Then China will not have any defense against the Russian ICBM's this is reported to block?? It will not work against the TOPOLS anyway or Bullovas.
 

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Then China will not have any defense against the Russian ICBM's this is reported to block?? It will not work against the TOPOLS anyway or Bullovas.
So called NMD is unrealistic, it is a high-tech weapon for missile from N.Korea or Iran, but can't defense many ICBMs (from U.S. Russia China).

If one country wants be protected by NMD, it will spend very huge money, no one can afford it. IIRC, U.S. has only deployed about 20 GMD missiles.

And space superpower (as Russia and U.S., maybe China is a half) can easily broke the system. It's a very unsymmetrical competition.

But in this era, KKV is a great capability for deterrenting outer space bombers and scouts, and China will not do such threat to Russia in a long time.
 

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space base, plane base and land base lasers will be perfected in coming years, that will make these interceptors are obsolete.
We should now put more thrust on the laser weapons to take out ICBM and other ballistic missiles.......
 

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space base, plane base and land base lasers will be perfected in coming years, that will make these interceptors are obsolete.
We should now put more thrust on the laser weapons to take out ICBM and other ballistic missiles.......
 
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So called NMD is unrealistic, it is a high-tech weapon for N.Korea or Iran, but can't defense many ICBMs (from U.S. Russia China).

If one country wants be protected by NMD, it will spend very huge money, no one can afford it. IIRC, U.S. has only deployed about 20 GMD missiles.

And space superpower (as Russia and U.S., maybe China is a half) can easily broke the system. It's a very unsymmetrical competition.

But in this era, KKV is a great capability for deterrenting outer space bombers and scouts, and China will not do such threat to Russia in a long time.
How does Russia know that when this test was done the Chinese said it will block all the Russian ICBM's , so the Chinese still view the Russians in an adversierial role, it is also visible in many chinese members posts, What makes people think Russia has not developed something that they are waiting to release??
 

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How does Russia know that when this test was done the Chinese said it will block all the Russian ICBM's , so the Chinese still view the Russians in an adversierial role, it is also visible in many chinese members posts, What makes people think Russia has not developed something that they are waiting to release??
I didn't say it will block all Russian ICBM, I said KKV can't intercept Russia's ICBM!

The fact is China has done two successful KKV test, Russia hasn't.
And China is also developing big plane engine, exchange is a short path for both country.
 
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I didn't say it will block all Russian ICBM, I said KKV can't intercept Russia's ICBM!

The fact is China has done two successful KKV test, Russia hasn't.
And China is also developing big plane engine, exchange is a short path for both country.
it seems like a one sided exchange a strategic asset for a stupid engine.
 

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If the exchange is stupid, then plus some oil or something else.

Big plane is a dream for Chinese.

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Share some photographs before I sleep to our members.
Many people in western of China saw these flash ball on the night, people thought it was UFO until news reported it was an interception test.



 

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WTH is that? Looks like a damn nuclear blast if someone took that with a regular camera. They did say the test was exoatmosphere?
that should be the broken wreckages of the missle intercepted during the mid-course interception.

those broken wreckages dropped into atmosphere and got burned like meteors
 

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that should be the broken wreckages of the missle intercepted during the mid-course interception.

those broken wreckages dropped into atmosphere and got burned like meteors
WOW even extra large meteors wont glow that much :animals_horse::coffee_spray:
 

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WTH is that? Looks like a damn nuclear blast if someone took that with a regular camera. They did say the test was exoatmosphere?
Nuclear blast will cause interruption of satellite communication, this didn't happen.

Witnesses said it was a silent blast, so it must be exoatmosphere.
 

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Nuclear blast will cause interruption of satellite communication, this didn't happen.

Witnesses said it was a silent blast, so it must be exoatmosphere.
The picture that was posted by badguy was of an exoatmospheric nuclear detonation, not a KKV.
 

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