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If this is gonna be the new chinese baby.. I must say it looks impressive & deadly... Looks even better than the PAK-FA...
J20 Stealth Fighter
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Mods close this thread please....
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listen guys !!just don't make a ho halla about chinese J20 whatever, this more lika photoshoped than real. Before chinese test anything ,they need a basic powerplant ,and avonics to make it powerplant. Chinese aerospace nt much depend on RnD But copying and pasting . Russia with so much vast experience with 4 and 4.5 generation aircraft they finally arvived to 5th gen in 2001 ,remember before that they tested their avonics,powerplant,landing gear,stealth features and finaly internal weapon bay on various aircrafts like Su 35BM ,Su 47berkat ,Mig 1.44TD,Su 30mki for TVC.. Just look at the list ,do you think chinese tested anything anywhere,! Do they have platform other than j10B or J 7 to test ?? Do they have experience to develop 2engine aircrafts like europe,russia and USA ??
Yes,powerplant is still a secret.But I cann't tell whether the latest pic is PSed or not.
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Some rumors said WS-15 (engine) is under developing, it will be finished around 2015, after that J20 will have the ability of super sonic cruise. In fact eyewitnesses said the sound of engine of J-20 is different from J10's enginge sound (using AL31 or WS10), J-20's sound is much lower tones.
Hundreds of common people went to the site and saw J-20 these days, it slides on runway 3 or 5 times every day. The photo is real, no photoshoped at all, but taking photo is still forbidden, so very few photos at present.
J11b (based on Su27) almost is a new fighter, new materials, new avionics, new radar.
The research of J-20 started from 20 years ago.
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Is This China's First Stealth Fighter?
They could be the products of a Chinese government misinformation campaign. They could be clever Photoshop jobs by Chinese aviation fanboys. Or they could be the real thing: the first hard evidence of the long-rumored Chengdu J-20, China's first stealth-fighter prototype.
The above photo and several others surfaced over the Christmas weekend on Chinese Internet forums, catching the eye of Aviation Week fighter guru Bill Sweetman. Sweetman, a noted skeptic in the sometimes enthusiastic world of fast-jet journalism, stressed that the pics might be fakes. Fantastical Photoshop art is a hallmark of Chinese military-themed Websites. See the giant, flying "heli-carrier," or the submarine flattop — both creations of over-excited Chinese Photoshoppers.
But there are hints that the J-20 photos are for real — and that much clearer shots exist, somewhere. "Rumor has it that better shots have put in transient appearances on Chinese Websites before being zapped by the censor," Sweetman wrote. That those rumored photos were yanked is itself perhaps proof that Beijing really does have a new fighter. "In China's military fan Web culture, the rapid intervention of the censors is always a boost for the credibility of the poster," aviation journalist Rick Fisher told Sweetman.
Most convincingly, the airplane depicted in the snapshots apparently has many of the right characteristics for a fifth-generation stealth-fighter prototype: a chiseled front-section, triangular wings, all-moving tailplanes. In fact, the supposed J-20 seems to combine the front fuselage of the U.S. Air Force's F-22 with the back half of Russia's T-50 stealth prototype, which appeared a little less than a year ago.
If it's real — and that's a big if — the J-20's appearance could signal a big step forward for the Chinese air force, which to date relies mostly on airplanes bought from Russia or reverse-engineered from Russian or Israeli designs. Panicky Western air-power advocates, who a year ago claimed America would be "less safe" if the Pentagon pressed forward with plans to end production of the F-22 stealth fighter at 187 copies, might just announce the end of America's 50-year dominance of the skies. Alarmists made similar claims when the Russia's new T-50 fighter first flew, despite that plane's many non-stealthy attributes and dubious production prospects.
The Pentagon hasn't had a chance to comment on the J-20 photos, but is likely to remain sanguine. In deliberations over the F-22, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates acknowledged that the Chinese were working on a stealth fighter, but insisted the Communist country would have "no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020," while the U.S. would have more than a thousand F-22s and F-35s. In the year-and-a-half since Gates made that claim, the Pentagon has delayed F-35 production and China has apparently accelerated its own stealth development — alleged J-20 photos aside — but the spirit of Gates' assertion remains valid.
Even if the photos are real and the J-20 exists as more than blueprints, there's probably no cause for alarm. The U.S. flew its first stealth prototypes — the YF-22 and rival YF-23 — in 1990; the J-20 hasn't even flown yet. It took 15 years for the F-22 to enter front-line service; considering China's quality-control problems with high technology, it could take a decade or more for the J-20 to appear in numbers that make any difference in the Pacific balance of power. Gates might have been slightly off in his assessment of the Chinese air force, but probably not by much.
And that's all assuming Beijing's Christmas stealth-fighter surprise isn't all just Photoshop magic. With so little good information on military hardware coming out of China, fighter fakery is a real prospect. In which case, we'll keep waiting for China's first stealth fighter to make its true debut.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/is-this-chinas-first-stealth-fighter/
They could be the products of a Chinese government misinformation campaign. They could be clever Photoshop jobs by Chinese aviation fanboys. Or they could be the real thing: the first hard evidence of the long-rumored Chengdu J-20, China's first stealth-fighter prototype.
The above photo and several others surfaced over the Christmas weekend on Chinese Internet forums, catching the eye of Aviation Week fighter guru Bill Sweetman. Sweetman, a noted skeptic in the sometimes enthusiastic world of fast-jet journalism, stressed that the pics might be fakes. Fantastical Photoshop art is a hallmark of Chinese military-themed Websites. See the giant, flying "heli-carrier," or the submarine flattop — both creations of over-excited Chinese Photoshoppers.
But there are hints that the J-20 photos are for real — and that much clearer shots exist, somewhere. "Rumor has it that better shots have put in transient appearances on Chinese Websites before being zapped by the censor," Sweetman wrote. That those rumored photos were yanked is itself perhaps proof that Beijing really does have a new fighter. "In China's military fan Web culture, the rapid intervention of the censors is always a boost for the credibility of the poster," aviation journalist Rick Fisher told Sweetman.
Most convincingly, the airplane depicted in the snapshots apparently has many of the right characteristics for a fifth-generation stealth-fighter prototype: a chiseled front-section, triangular wings, all-moving tailplanes. In fact, the supposed J-20 seems to combine the front fuselage of the U.S. Air Force's F-22 with the back half of Russia's T-50 stealth prototype, which appeared a little less than a year ago.
If it's real — and that's a big if — the J-20's appearance could signal a big step forward for the Chinese air force, which to date relies mostly on airplanes bought from Russia or reverse-engineered from Russian or Israeli designs. Panicky Western air-power advocates, who a year ago claimed America would be "less safe" if the Pentagon pressed forward with plans to end production of the F-22 stealth fighter at 187 copies, might just announce the end of America's 50-year dominance of the skies. Alarmists made similar claims when the Russia's new T-50 fighter first flew, despite that plane's many non-stealthy attributes and dubious production prospects.
The Pentagon hasn't had a chance to comment on the J-20 photos, but is likely to remain sanguine. In deliberations over the F-22, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates acknowledged that the Chinese were working on a stealth fighter, but insisted the Communist country would have "no fifth-generation aircraft by 2020," while the U.S. would have more than a thousand F-22s and F-35s. In the year-and-a-half since Gates made that claim, the Pentagon has delayed F-35 production and China has apparently accelerated its own stealth development — alleged J-20 photos aside — but the spirit of Gates' assertion remains valid.
Even if the photos are real and the J-20 exists as more than blueprints, there's probably no cause for alarm. The U.S. flew its first stealth prototypes — the YF-22 and rival YF-23 — in 1990; the J-20 hasn't even flown yet. It took 15 years for the F-22 to enter front-line service; considering China's quality-control problems with high technology, it could take a decade or more for the J-20 to appear in numbers that make any difference in the Pacific balance of power. Gates might have been slightly off in his assessment of the Chinese air force, but probably not by much.
And that's all assuming Beijing's Christmas stealth-fighter surprise isn't all just Photoshop magic. With so little good information on military hardware coming out of China, fighter fakery is a real prospect. In which case, we'll keep waiting for China's first stealth fighter to make its true debut.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/12/is-this-chinas-first-stealth-fighter/
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Give me a break mate! You mean your airports are withot walls ,where you do all research and development of J20 ? If no then how the heck labourers and workers watching a top secret plane doing taxing ?? WS15 Not ready,even if its ready you mean its directly used to such a precious,secret projects like j20 without using on exsiting platform like j10B or su27 as j11 still takes her sweet time to induct. Where the heck you testing this then hope nt a martian craft lol..? Mate an engine need atleast 3years to mature or 2000hrs. If j20 is using unmatured WS 15 ,then bingo its nt a 5thgen aircraft .
Now,I think it was not a PSed photo.But what engine it used?
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That is not a very secret military airport, everyone can stay around it, but soldiers will stop people taking photos, this means J-20 is almost declassified.
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from pinko of keypublish:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105427&page=10
Jane's Editor Robert Hewson wrote on 20-Dec that the new J-20 will tentatively be powered by Russian's 117S engine
Jane's Defence Weekly
Window on China
Robert Hewson, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor, London
...Jane's has learnt that China is using Russian-sourced -117S engines (a heavily modified AL-31F) to power its fifth-generation design - at least as far as prototype and development aircraft are concerned. This engine powers Russia's own fifth-generation fighter, the Sukhoi T-50. Despite attempts to replicate previous generations of Russian fighter engines for its own aircraft, China's industry has failed to do so reliably. Its dependence on foreign technology, and specifically Russian engines, particularly as it embarks on its next generation of designs is a hurdle for China's designers and a major obstacle to building a truly indigenous military aircraft industry. Russia is now dealing with a Chinese request to acquire an unknown number of -117S engines upon which Chengdu will rely for some time to come.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=105427&page=10
Jane's Editor Robert Hewson wrote on 20-Dec that the new J-20 will tentatively be powered by Russian's 117S engine
Jane's Defence Weekly
Window on China
Robert Hewson, Jane's Air-Launched Weapons Editor, London
...Jane's has learnt that China is using Russian-sourced -117S engines (a heavily modified AL-31F) to power its fifth-generation design - at least as far as prototype and development aircraft are concerned. This engine powers Russia's own fifth-generation fighter, the Sukhoi T-50. Despite attempts to replicate previous generations of Russian fighter engines for its own aircraft, China's industry has failed to do so reliably. Its dependence on foreign technology, and specifically Russian engines, particularly as it embarks on its next generation of designs is a hurdle for China's designers and a major obstacle to building a truly indigenous military aircraft industry. Russia is now dealing with a Chinese request to acquire an unknown number of -117S engines upon which Chengdu will rely for some time to come.
You are right. Both sides had better calm down. Though I trend to believe these pictures are real, the J-xx is still taxing, which may take 5 to 10 years to serve PLAAF. India may have time to catch up while the failure of WS 15 may delay the service of J-xx in China.
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ws-10 has enough thrust for a fifth generation fighter?? It is suppose to be inferior compared to an AL-31 on an Su-27???
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I don't understand but if its a prototype then why there's an insignia at the fin of the plane. I mean is it a finished work prototype?
And also if someone can take a picture then why not a video to add more substance.
And also if someone can take a picture then why not a video to add more substance.
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Looks like another fake. PLAAF's insignia is not the same on Vertical stabilizers, it is more like that of PLA. Another photochop picture.It doese not look like j-10 to me for sure, what do you think Armand?
PLAAF Insignia
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