JayATL
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@Mods: The person who moved my thread ( this one) into the India will grow in strategic importance: US thread- IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT....well- not in ways you assumed. This about economic zones/ China centric / ASEAN countries concern and others in the region. Yeah it sounds like that topic but it actually speaks( if you read it) to something completely different. That thread is US's wish , this thread is why India faces a risk beyond, well beyond, any border issues... Thank you.
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Continuing on- Before anyone goes nationalistic on me and gives the India is king rah rah replies - read the entire thread and quoted material. Stop think before you reply
Smart opinion says India has to ally itself with the US or lose its influence in its back yard. This based on several articles, even the recent one here posted about Australia needing to get close to India- have all unanimously agreed that china has plans to be the only dominate power in Asia. It is single mindedly after the goal to remove all US influence and military might in this region( Asia). Its building its military at break neck speed and the lethality of which is only going to get astounding.
Auz's PM Rudd for example stated that - their closeness to US is going to increase as well as military spending because of what they see as dangerous Chinese ambitions for this region. You are seeing portions of that ambition and tone in South China Sea today.
This is not just about Indo_china border but much larger play at risk. Economic zones, rights to protect indian assets ( like w/ vietnam)...the chinese ambition is to bully in those areas. Hell! you even had their ships ask an Indian ship what it was doing in " international free waters" on its way back from vietnam.
This means India has two options-
One is meet china head on, risk spending it itself into a USSR kind of situation -especially in military strength
OR
Two- ally with US and both use their influence to curtail china. Else India risks loosing on both fronts - influences to take on china diplomatically in Asia ( and world) and also in terms of military strength. I know that India cannot match China's military ambitions- so its option two clearly for me
some will say - why not try for peace with China? You see no amount of peace will stop their aspirations and single goal. That being their domination in Asia -and a military bully in the region. If India wants to relent that role to them - then fine , be in their shadow and get bullied and expect to be a dud on the international stage.
But - voila! the Indian foreign service heads don't. Every indicator from india's foreign policy office so far- is that they understand that relenting Asia to China is their death knoll. The direction India is headed is where every, I mean every, other nation in Asia that matters is going i.e. getting closer to the US to mitigate what would be the most dangerous power in this part of the world - China.[/QUOTE]
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Continuing on- Before anyone goes nationalistic on me and gives the India is king rah rah replies - read the entire thread and quoted material. Stop think before you reply
Smart opinion says India has to ally itself with the US or lose its influence in its back yard. This based on several articles, even the recent one here posted about Australia needing to get close to India- have all unanimously agreed that china has plans to be the only dominate power in Asia. It is single mindedly after the goal to remove all US influence and military might in this region( Asia). Its building its military at break neck speed and the lethality of which is only going to get astounding.
Auz's PM Rudd for example stated that - their closeness to US is going to increase as well as military spending because of what they see as dangerous Chinese ambitions for this region. You are seeing portions of that ambition and tone in South China Sea today.
This is not just about Indo_china border but much larger play at risk. Economic zones, rights to protect indian assets ( like w/ vietnam)...the chinese ambition is to bully in those areas. Hell! you even had their ships ask an Indian ship what it was doing in " international free waters" on its way back from vietnam.
This means India has two options-
One is meet china head on, risk spending it itself into a USSR kind of situation -especially in military strength
OR
Two- ally with US and both use their influence to curtail china. Else India risks loosing on both fronts - influences to take on china diplomatically in Asia ( and world) and also in terms of military strength. I know that India cannot match China's military ambitions- so its option two clearly for me
In a truly fascinating section Rudd listed what he saw as China's strategic ambitions in the next decade. Rudd cited various of China's aims, but among them was one that government ministers seldom advert to in public. Like Richardson, Rudd was admirably straightforward.
He said: "China's strategic objective is over time to reduce US military influence and, as a consequence, US alliances in East Asia and the Pacific."
Later in the speech Rudd identified a key Australian objective as maintaining and strengthening our alliance with the US. Rudd is certainly right in his analysis and he serves the cause of public debate by putting it on the record. But he also makes it clear that China's strategic objective -- diminishing US alliances and the US military presence in the region -- is in direct contradiction of Australia's strategic objectives.
In the same speech, Rudd further stated that another strategic objective of China was to "protect (its) sea lines of communication right out to the sources of China's long-term energy supply, across the Indian Ocean to the Gulf where most of its oil supplies come from, but also its land-based supply lines to various other countries in terms of delivery of natural gas as well".
This means that Rudd has concluded, rightly in my view, that China's massive military build-up is destined to go on for a long time and to reach extremely lethal capabilities to project military force over long distances.
some will say - why not try for peace with China? You see no amount of peace will stop their aspirations and single goal. That being their domination in Asia -and a military bully in the region. If India wants to relent that role to them - then fine , be in their shadow and get bullied and expect to be a dud on the international stage.
But - voila! the Indian foreign service heads don't. Every indicator from india's foreign policy office so far- is that they understand that relenting Asia to China is their death knoll. The direction India is headed is where every, I mean every, other nation in Asia that matters is going i.e. getting closer to the US to mitigate what would be the most dangerous power in this part of the world - China.[/QUOTE]
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