Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant

SPIEZ · Feb 28, 2012

nitesh said:
They used illegal means (money), only if government could have applied proper pressure to sort out the issue, this could not have been mothballed in such big level

proper pressure issues to sort out this issue. illegal means. :lol:

They have enough of both, and apply it against each other. They refering to the ruling & opposition party.

nitesh · Feb 28, 2012

SPIEZ said:
I was asking DMK/ADMK...
For the second part of it
Q:Who runs the govt?
Aoliticians.
Q: what do politicians do?
A; play fair.

So the politics is being played by politicians instead of concentrating on sorting out of the issues

nitesh · Feb 28, 2012

SPIEZ said:
proper pressure issues to sort out this issue. illegal means.
They have enough of both, and apply it against each other. They refering to the ruling & opposition party.

So you agree that the government is doing nothing

SPIEZ · Feb 28, 2012

nitesh said:
So the politics is being played by politicians instead of concentrating on sorting out of the issues

nitesh said:
So you agree that the government is doing nothing

When have the government done much for the public ????

nitesh · Feb 28, 2012

SPIEZ said:
When have the government done much for the public ????

Isn't the same point I am saying, that government is playing politics instead of sorting out the issue, and you were trying to bully me saying I am non Tamilian so should not comment on the issue

SPIEZ · Feb 28, 2012

nitesh said:
Isn't the same point I am saying, that government is playing politics instead of sroting out the issue, and you were trying to bully me saying I am non Tamilian so should not comment on the issue

All governments play politics, that's their job.
JJ has to power up TN, that's her only game plan, so def KKNP will start with it's activity, delay cannot be solely blamed on JJ alone.
I said you didn't know much about TN or it's politics(don't know how it can be bullying), but it's true from your perception.

nitesh · Feb 28, 2012

SPIEZ said:
All governments play politics, that's their job.
JJ has to power up TN, that's her only game plan, so def KKNP will start with it's activity, delay cannot be solely blamed on JJ alone.
I said you didn't know much about TN or it's politics(don't know how it can be bullying), but it's true from your perception.

No it's not government's job to play politics

. But sad to see this is happening and causing massive losses due to petty politics in the process,
Good to see, you agree that state government is playing politics instead of helping to sort out the issue

SPIEZ · Feb 28, 2012

nitesh said:
No it's not government's job to play politics . But sad to see this is happening and causing massive losses due to petty politics in the process,
Good to see, you agree that state government is playing politics instead of helping to sort out the issue

Tell me which govt plays by the book, govt under UPA, BJP ? Boy you should have seen how MK would have handled it. He woul;d have bought in caste, bashed the Brahmins, said KKNP is Aryan etc. It's a good thing JJ's here.

Sad you still don't agree on the fact that you don't know much of TN& Tn politics.

End of Arguement. Let's get back to topic.

nitesh · Feb 28, 2012

SPIEZ said:
Tell me which govt plays by the book, govt under UPA, BJP ? Boy you should have seen how MK would have handled it. He woul;d have bought in caste, bashed the Brahmins, said KKNP is Aryan etc. It's a good thing JJ's here.

Sad you still don't agree on the fact that you don't know much of TN& Tn politics.

End of Arguement. Let's get back to topic.

So still JJ worship is going on in spite of her petty politics causing massive damage, sad to see such attitude.
The bottom line is her government's inept handling is causing massive damage.

SPIEZ · Feb 28, 2012

nitesh said:
So still JJ worship is going on in spite of her petty politics causing massive damage, sad to see such attitude.
The bottom line is her government's inept handling is causing massive damage.

Guess who brought development Foriegn investment and modernised TN ??????
I ll give you a clue, you hate her :lol:

nitesh · Feb 28, 2012

SPIEZ said:
Guess who brought development Foriegn investment and modernised TN ??????
I ll give you a clue, you hate her

So how does this explains the inept handling of KNPP related issue

nrj · Feb 29, 2012

Govt cracks down on four NGOs

WITHIN days of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blaming foreign-funded NGOs for instigating anti-nuclear protests in Koodankulam, the government today booked four NGOs for violation of the Foreign Contribution Regulation Act and deported one German national for reportedly helping the protestors.

Home Secretary R K Singh told reporters that the bank accounts of these four NGOs were frozen after it was found that they had been diverting money received from their donors abroad into funding the protests at Koodankulam. He said cases for violation of FCRA provisions had been registered, but did not name the NGOs. Cases have been registered by the Crime Branch of Tamil Nadu police as well as the CBI, he said.

Meanwhile, a German national, 49-year-old Sonnteg Reiner Hermann, was deported this morning after being charged with helping the protestors. Hermann, who was in India on a tourist visa, was found to be "roaming" around the plant site for the last few days. He was picked up by the Tamil Nadu police from Nagercoil and asked to leave the country immediately.

Govt cracks down on four NGOs - Indian Express

KS · Feb 29, 2012

Crackdown on anti-nuke NGOs begins - Indian Express

KS · Feb 29, 2012

nitesh said:
Uh so every body is wrong, there is no responsibility of state government in terms of law and order.

Right to protest does not means they can create anarchy, stopping them from creating anarchy is state government's job in which it has failed miserably

Dont be so thick. There has been no reported cases of violence,manhandling or destruction of public property serious enough to warrant a crackdown on the protestors. Or is that you are imagining such things and projecting them as reality ?

nitesh said:
How does management issues find a place in this thread?

To make you understand running a state is not like running an online forum. YOu cannot run a state at your whims and fancies.

nitesh said:
Because you don't see reason, I can see that

YOu dont know what you are talking and is too proud to accept that. As simple as that.

nitesh said:
What those people were doing till the plant came up and about to start the operation, sleeping? It raises this question, the people are for the plant or against the plant.

Do you read English or not ? Read my previous posts why the protests started again after being peaceful for long time.

nitesh said:
How did they able to stop the workers from going to plant for the work then? Or the workers said they didn't want to go. You are lying. They did used force to stop the work and created ruckus.

Oh my GOD ! they formed human chains, staged road rokos etc to prevent the workers from reaching there. Perfectly acceptable form of protests.

Police said the protesters, numbering more than 5,000, including 2000 women have blocked all roads leading to the plant

- From TOI.

This is why I said you know sh!t about the protests and is just ranting here about how everyone is wrong and only you are correct.

nitesh said:
They used communal card too. And you are saying that state government has not duty to stop all this nonsense. Truly amazing

I am saying as long as the protestors do not indulge in vandalism (which they have not till now) and the organizations that support the protest are legal (which they were till now) the state govt cant do anything to stifle the protests. Democracy for noobs 101.

trackwhack · Feb 29, 2012

Karthic Sri said:
Dont be so thick. There has been no reported cases of violence,manhandling or destruction of public property serious enough to warrant a crackdown on the protestors. Or is that you are imagining such things and projecting them as reality ?

Karthic, stop the bull, there have been accumalated losses running into hundreds of crores as a result of this stupid drama. That in anyones book qualifies as destruction of public property. Who is being thick?

To make you understand running a state is not like running an online forum. YOu cannot run a state at your whims and fancies.

YOu dont know what you are talking and is too proud to accept that. As simple as that.

Stop your self righteous tirade. You are one of the least read, 'I know it all' Suppandi's on this forum who is opinionated and argumentative of any and every subject despite your obvious lack of knowledge. Your defence of a weak populist moron of a CM on this thread is apt proof. Anyone with half a brain called Jaya's bluff when she did nothing 6 months back and now she (and you as her defence) has shit on her face.

Do you read English or not ? Read my previous posts why the protests started again after being peaceful for long time.

Oh my GOD ! they formed human chains, staged road rokos etc to prevent the workers from reaching there. Perfectly acceptable form of protests.

- From TOI.

This is why I said you know sh!t about the protests and is just ranting here about how everyone is wrong and only you are correct.

I am saying as long as the protestors do not indulge in vandalism (which they have not till now) and the organizations that support the protest are legal (which they were till now) the state govt cant do anything to stifle the protests. Democracy for noobs 101.

Of course the state government can take action. It is the hard earned money of the people of our nation that was put into this project. A few retarded monkeys with vested interests cannot hold a project like this hostage.

If your whole point is that Jaya taking action would be political suicide, then make that point clear and simple instead of beating around the bush an painting a halo around her head. Mad Indian on the other hand openly said so - That it would be a political disaster if she did anything and hence she took it slow. In other words, what she did was selfish and expected of any politician. But what she did was not righteous and worth defending unless you are a paid stooge

Give it a rest man. You sound like a retarded parrot that keeps repeating the same line over and over again

nitesh, seriously not worth it man. let it go. You can take a horse to the water....

parijataka · Feb 29, 2012

Chrurch role in Kudankulam

Seems like Church authorities as well as NGOs were in on the Kudankulam agitation.

Church role in Kudankulam protests merits wider probe

The crackdown on four non-governmental organisations on the charge that they diverted foreign funds intended for social development activities to the anti-nuclear protests in Kudankulam has focussed the spotlight on the activities of church-based NGOs in southern Tamil Nadu. On Tuesday, the Union Home Secretary announced that the bank accounts of four NGOs had been frozen after it was found that they had been diverting funds received from overseas donors to the anti-nuclear protests. Two of the cases have been registered by the CBI, and the two others by the Crime Branch of the Tamil Nadu police. The crackdown comes barely days after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh went public with the charge that US non-governmental organisations were behind the agitation, which has stalled work on the nuclear plant in power-starved Tamil Nadu.

The 'hand of God' is intervening in the Kudankulam project. Although Singh did not mention the faith-based affiliation of these NGOs, it is an open secret that church groups based in the coastal districts of Tamil Nadu, which receive crores of rupees in donations from overseas, have been active in backing the anti-nuclear protest. The NGOs that are at the centre of the latest action haven't been named, but they are believed to be those associated with Bishop Yvon Ambroise, the Tuticorin church leader, who has been active in mobilising popular support for the protests at Kudankulam.

Two of the NGOs associated with Ambroise – the Tuticorin Diocese Association (TDA) and the Tuticorin Multipurpose Social Service Society (TMSSS) – have been working in the area of fishermen's livelihood, and their support for the anti-nuclear agitation draws on the fears to the fisherfolks' livelihood from the nuclear power plant. The church-based NGOs along the southern coast of Tamil Nadu have done exemplary work to restore the livelihood of fishermen in the wake of the December 2004 tsunami, which devastated large areas of South East Asia and southern India. But even there, their attempts to "harvest souls" and proselytise aid beneficiaries at a time of supreme grief came in for criticism. And although similar attempts at proselytisation of tsunami victims in Indonesia drew protests from the government there, the church groups received no such pushback from Indian authorities.In fact, even in Kudankulam, although the protest against the nuclear project began as a secular movement intended to raise awareness about the hazards of nuclear plants, the agitation has in recent months been appropriated by the church.

The role of the church in the Dravidian politics of southern India has been clinically analysed by Rajiv Malhotra and Aravida Neelakandan in their book Breaking India: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines. Malhotra, an IT entrepreneur and founder of the Infitinity Foundation, and Neelakandan, a social science researcher who has worked with an NGO in Tamil Nadu, argue that US and European churches, in particular, are working actively to foster separatist tendencies among the Dravidian and Dalit communities on the basis of identity. The authors trace the money trail from Western churches and their affiliates – which are on the surface well-intended, being offered for "education" and "empowerment" and "leadership training". But they effectively go to fund programmes that are intended to instigate a sense of anomie that persuades the youth, in particular, to renounce their Indian identity.

The Dravidian-Christian project, the authors argue, is founded on the misappropriation and misrepresentation of Tamil culture and literature in order to create an 'identity vacuum' that can then be filled by the Christian missionary agenda.One part of that agenda is to implicate India in human rights abuses and to line it up in front of international forums as an offender. The Dravidian identity, writes Malhotra, is now being increasingly Christianised. "A new religion called 'Dravidian Christianity' has been invented through a sudden upsurge of writings designed to 'discover' the existence of quasi-Christianity in Tamil history prior to the coming of the 'Aryan' Brahmins. The project is to co-opt Tamil culture, language and literature and systematically cleanse them of Hinduism. Christian interpretations and substitutes are being injected into the most cherished symbols, artifacts and literary works of Tamil Hindu culture." The notion of 'Dravidian Christianity', Malhotra points out, has penetrated high places. For instance, Marvin Olasky, an adviser to President George W. Bush, declared that "the two major denominations of Hinduism — Vishnu-followers and Shiva-followers — arose not from early Hinduism but from early Christian churches probably planted by the apostle Thomas in India from AD 52 to 68." Olasky goes on to explain to his American readers how Christianity brought many key notions into Hinduism.

For far too long, politicians in Tamil Nadu have been wary of speaking out against the activities of church groups in the State for fear of losing out on a well-entrenched voter base. To the extent that the church's encroachment in the arena of the politics of nuclear energy has compelled even Manmohan Singh to speak out, it opens up the space for a broader investigation of the church's activities in southern Tamil Nadu (and indeed elsewhere in India).

Mad Indian · Feb 29, 2012

trackwhack said:
Of course the state government can take action. It is the hard earned money of the people of our nation that was put into this project. A few retarded monkeys with vested interests cannot hold a project like this hostage.

If your whole point is that Jaya taking action would be political suicide, then make that point clear and simple instead of beating around the bush an painting a halo around her head. Mad Indian on the other hand openly said so - That it would be a political disaster if she did anything and hence she took it slow. In other words, what she did was selfish and expected of any politician. But what she did was not righteous and worth defending unless you are a paid stooge

Give it a rest man. You sound like a retarded parrot that keeps repeating the same line over and over again

nitesh, seriously not worth it man. let it go. You can take a horse to the water....

Look dudes we know that the protesters should have had their nuts cracked for the very first time they agitated... But seriously, we are in India(democracy) and not in China(autocracy)...... If you want get elected here and handle the issue in your own way and lets see what happens to you in the next election...

Mad Indian · Feb 29, 2012

nitesh said:
What is the great knowledge needed to comment on this issue, can you enlighten me please.

Why this kolaveri di

These are three points you guys have raised:

The last government was thrown out because of power issues right? Or power issues was not a major factor in the state? So people must be waiting for these woes to be over, in this scenario, when a bunch of people try to sabotage a solution, then state government should have full backing of people along with media. Or I am missing something here, are you guys trying to say that TN people (including you all) don't want nuclear energy, they want this complete project to be shut down, hence the state government sensing the mood of population is doing nothing to stop the protest, and in fact want this whole project to be scrapped.

Seriously???? This is the best answer you can come up with???? Let me explain why this wont work in Tamil Nadu.....

1. Most Tamilians are [edited]

2, There is a stupid news network called Sun Network..... Those pigs will even make the poison look like jaggery to the Tamil [edited] masses..

3. This is the most important... The KNPP did not have this much popular support as many of you think ....!!!!!!(thats why we say know our politics before posting) many people were unsure about the reaction to the protests... Do you know how many were skeptic about the plant before???? Only because of carefull politics about it, by increasing the power cuts(particularly targetting my dist- we had 10-12hrs when rest of TN had only 8hrs of power cut), then making up a team of central and state personnel on its safety did the popular support swing in its favour.... Also the recent reports about the funding for the protests added to the popular support in favour of KNPP(which was the responsibility of the central govt as i said before and hence my stance that Center had more responsbility here).... So ONLY NOW is the support in favour of KNPP strong in TN.... Its not lke what you think- everyone did not support the plant from starting......!!!!

Now what would have happened if the state govt had cracked down on the protesters

1. there would have been a media frenzy on this issue, with Sun, Bun, Fun networks making a case against the Autocratic leadership by you( :lol:

) and you would have been the talk of the decade...

2. You would have provided power to the TN meaning less hours of power cuts meaning no Tamil(since they are mostly [edited]) would have understood the necessity of the KNPP.... :sad:

,.... Hence popular opinion wll be that you are an anti democratic anti people leader...:thumb:

3. hence the popular sentiment would have been against the KNPP and not in favour of it as many of you think here, and you would be THROWN out of power in the next election thanks to the Sun network.... :wave:

In conclusion, your steps to help people would have partially succeeded and would have misfired seriously and you would be out of power in the next election... So your answer failed in all three aspects.... This is what would have happened in TN if JJ handled it in her old style.... Ask anyone who knows politics of TN... They will agree...

You have any more questions now?????

[MOD Edit: Please watch your words.]

Mad Indian · Feb 29, 2012

Tshering22 said:
Music to my ears!! These corporate-political-funded-NGOs need to be scrapped first for development. Can't believe this government actually did something good for once. I hope Human Rights terrorists are next.

The center did not take action as it was being turned into a big communal card... Most of these NGOs were also invloved in missonary activites in my District....... and i dont think the UPA is very keen on projecting itself as a anti christian government(it was being threatened to move in that direction)........ Hope you catch my meaning????

Even the local people who were protesting for the opening up of the plants were being targetted as Hindu groups and not as Pro nuclear group....(yep the same suckular Leperal media :laugh:

)... UI am a local here and i know what they were reportng about the incident while my direct sources from the place gave a different version of the protests... :namaste:

pmaitra · Feb 29, 2012

Please don't get carried away. Also, it is NOT OK to call an entire ethnic group names. Please maintain civility!

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