Three Gitas ?

LurkerBaba · Oct 28, 2011

I came across the idea when reading this article:
The Gita Becomes The Battlefield For The Great Sectarian War | Nirmukta

This is also mentioned here
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/secretcode.asp

The Bhagavad Gita is not just a dry and esoteric document elucidating ancient Indian philosophy. It is a dynamic text which brims with conflict, energy and practical wisdom. One can discern a battle of wits between two groups holding diametrically opposite views. Without examining and understanding the historical context in some detail, it is well nigh impossible to properly reconcile all the contradictions glaringly evident in the text of the Bhagavad Gita as it exists today.

As a result of interpolations into its text by various later authors, we can find embedded in the Bhagavad Gita three distinct Gitas promoting three pairs of distinct doctrines. They are:

1. The Brahmanic Gita promoting the doctrines of the Gunas and Karma (3:5, 27, 33; 18:59-60).

2. The Upanishadic Gita promoting the doctrines of Knowledge of Atman and Buddhiyoga (2:39-40).

3. The Bhagavatha Gita promoting the doctrines of Lord Krishna as the avatar of the Supreme Lord and Bhaktiyoga (18:64-66).
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i.e What we know as the The Gita is actually a collection of verses written by three different ideological groups !

Iamanidiot · Oct 28, 2011

The mahabharat itself was not written by one individuals as the tampons would like us to believe

Zebra · Oct 28, 2011

Iamanidiot said:
The mahabharat itself was not written by one individuals as the tampons would like us to believe

any link please .

niharjhatn · Oct 28, 2011

Dwarka said:
any link please .

It is highly improbable given the epic nature of the poem and the story-within-another story that it was composed of one person alone. It is possible, that a specific individual collaborated various stories together.

Evidence of such will be hard to come by. It is virtually impossible to find damning evidence, all you have is different peoples postulates (read - opinions). If they agree with yours, you accept them... if they don't, you deny them.

Zebra · Oct 29, 2011

niharjhatn said:
It is highly improbable given the epic nature of the poem and the story-within-another story that it was composed of one person alone. It is possible, that a specific individual collaborated various stories together.

Evidence of such will be hard to come by. It is virtually impossible to find damning evidence, all you have is different peoples postulates (read - opinions). If they agree with yours, you accept them... if they don't, you deny them.

I think it is impossible for any common man , to write this kind of scripture .

So I believe - avatar of lord and that is Vyasa is the author of the Mahabharata .

Ganesha wrote down as Vyasa's dictation .

The Messiah · Oct 29, 2011

Iamanidiot said:
The mahabharat itself was not written by one individuals as the tampons would like us to believe

Please give us your views on the matter then.

Known_Unknown · Oct 29, 2011

Blasphemers! Of course there are three Gitas. One each written by the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost!

Now bow to the glory of Jesus Christ! :laugh:

pmaitra · Oct 29, 2011

Wait a second.

Mahabharata is not a narration of a story, but prediction by a sage called Ved Vyas. He foresaw whatever was going to happen as per the past actions of the entire lineage of persons in the epic, which started with cow stealing by a group of persons who were cursed to be born on earth and suffer the consequences. Hence, the prediction, as recited by Ved Vyas, was documented by Ganesha. So, it is a prediction. It was told before it actually happened.

Depiction at Angkor Wat of Vyasa narrating the Mahabharata to Ganesha, his scribe.

Zebra · Oct 29, 2011

By the mercy of VyÄsa, I have heard these most confidential talks directly from the master of all mysticism, KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a, who was speaking personally to Arjuna. ( The Gita , verse : 18-75 .)

VyÄsa was the spiritual master of SaÃ±jaya, and SaÃ±jaya admits that it was by VyÄsa's mercy that he could understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead .
Bhagavad-gita As It Is Chapter 18 Verse 75

NÄrada is the direct disciple of KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a and the spiritual master of VyÄsa. Therefore VyÄsa is as bona fide as Arjuna because he comes in the disciplic succession, and SaÃ±jaya is the direct disciple of VyÄsa. Therefore by the grace of VyÄsa, SaÃ±jaya's senses were purified, and he could see and hear KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a directly. One who directly hears KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a can understand this confidential knowledge. If one does not come to the disciplic succession, he cannot hear KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a; therefore his knowledge is always imperfect, at least as far as understanding Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ is concerned.

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So the point is if it was told before it actually happened who come Sanjay become the direct disciple of Vyasa.

pmaitra · Oct 29, 2011

Dwarka said:
By the mercy of VyÄsa, I have heard these most confidential talks directly from the master of all mysticism, KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a, who was speaking personally to Arjuna. ( The Gita , verse : 18-75 .)

VyÄsa was the spiritual master of SaÃ±jaya, and SaÃ±jaya admits that it was by VyÄsa's mercy that he could understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead .
Bhagavad-gita As It Is Chapter 18 Verse 75

NÄrada is the direct disciple of KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a and the spiritual master of VyÄsa. Therefore VyÄsa is as bona fide as Arjuna because he comes in the disciplic succession, and SaÃ±jaya is the direct disciple of VyÄsa. Therefore by the grace of VyÄsa, SaÃ±jaya's senses were purified, and he could see and hear KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a directly. One who directly hears KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a can understand this confidential knowledge. If one does not come to the disciplic succession, he cannot hear KrÌ£sÌ£nÌ£a; therefore his knowledge is always imperfect, at least as far as understanding Bhagavad-gÄ«tÄ is concerned.

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So the point is if it was told before it actually happened who come Sanjay become the direct disciple of Vyasa.

Sanjay became the disciple by virtue of the fact that Ved Vyas lived during the lifetime of the Pandavas and Kauravas. Ved Vyas saw with his own eyes what he had predicted. He even advised the Pandavas what to do because he knew that the wax palace they were going to stay in was about to be set on fire. He could not have given such a life saving advise if he didn't know what was about to come. Ved Vyas was an Oracle.

Known_Unknown · Oct 29, 2011

^^Let us not confuse mythology with factual history. If Ganesha wrote the Mahabharata, I'd like to hear it from him. He should be still around to confirm, right?

Zebra · Oct 29, 2011

In Hinduism, atma-jnana (self-realization) is the key to obtaining moksha. The Hindu is one who practices one or more forms of Yoga - Bhakti, Karma, Jnana, Raja - knowing that God is unlimited and exists in many different forms, both personal and impersonal.

There are believed to be four Yogas (disciplines) or margas (paths) for the attainment of moksha. These are: working for the Supreme (Karma Yoga), realizing the Supreme (Jnana Yoga), meditating on the Supreme (Raja Yoga) and serving the Supreme in loving devotion (Bhakti Yoga). Different schools of Hinduism place varying emphasis on one path or other, some of the most famous being the tantric and yogic practices developed in Hinduism.
(Source wiki )

There is only one Gita , which covers the three basic path of getting Moksh .
In Gita Krishna covers all of them , how can one get Moksha by the path of Karma Yoga or Gyan Yoga or by Bhakti Yoga .

pmaitra · Oct 29, 2011

Known_Unknown said:
^^Let us not confuse mythology with factual history. If Ganesha wrote the Mahabharata, I'd like to hear it from him. He should be still around to confirm, right?

Did Mahabharata really happen? We do not know. Perhaps something similar happened, but got modified over the ages. Perhaps Ganesha was just a person but became a god over a period of time. What I wrote is what I know about Mahabharata. Did it really happen? I do not know.

Zebra · Oct 29, 2011

[video]http://www.saraswatifilms.org/movies.php[/video]

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A documentary which shows the proof of Mahabharata with exact year of Kurukshetra war - 3067 BC.

Vyom · Oct 29, 2011

When you are able to realize the knowledge behind these ancient texts, sensory evidences would subside to being merely a benefactor.

pmaitra · Oct 29, 2011

That is the reason why science and faith should not be confused with each other. Mythology plays its part in our lives. This is not science, so obviously, one should not take things in the literal sense, because they do not make sense. Interpretation is the key.

Known_Unknown · Oct 29, 2011

Dwarka said:
[video]http://www.saraswatifilms.org/movies.php[/video]

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A documentary which shows the proof of Mahabharata with exact year of Kurukshetra war - 3067 BC.

Really? So why did it take more than 2,500 years after the war for the first stories of the Mahabharata to appear in writing? There's absolutely ZERO mention of Mahabharata, or even of Krishna for that matter in any Hindu texts before around 500 BC.

sesha_maruthi27 · Oct 29, 2011

pmaitra said:
Did Mahabharata really happen? We do not know. Perhaps something similar happened, but got modified over the ages. Perhaps Ganesha was just a person but became a god over a period of time. What I wrote is what I know about Mahabharata. Did it really happen? I do not know.

I hope u know that the city of DWARAKA was found in the sea near Gujarat. It was the Archeological Department of India who found this and they dated it also. So, if Dwaraka is real then Mahabarata is real.

Known_Unknown · Oct 29, 2011

pmaitra said:
That is the reason why science and faith should not be confused with each other. Mythology plays its part in our lives. This is not science, so obviously, one should not take things in the literal sense, because they do not make sense. Interpretation is the key.

That's exactly why we should stick to only the historically documented writings of Mahabharata, and not some mythology about Vyas predicting it and a God faithfully writing it down. The first stories of the Mahabharata started appearing around 500 BC, so that must have been the time around which the war took place. Not 3000 BC or 10,000 BC as some would like to claim.

sesha_maruthi27 · Oct 29, 2011

pmaitra said:
Did Mahabharata really happen? We do not know. Perhaps something similar happened, but got modified over the ages. Perhaps Ganesha was just a person but became a god over a period of time. What I wrote is what I know about Mahabharata. Did it really happen? I do not know.

I hope u know that the city of DWARAKA was found in the sea near Gujarat. It was the Archeological Department of India who found this and they dated it also. So, if Dwaraka is real then Mahabarata is real.

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