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Antony orders dismissal of Navy officer guilty of having illicit relations with superior's wife - Indian Express[/url]
read about this case a few months ago... apparently the woman left her husband and eloped with this Lt commander and later married him....adultery in whatever form is strictly not tolerated in the military and the person found to be doing it is thrown out.When i used to live in banglore,there was a similar case which happened in my neighborhood...the person was dismissed without pension and lost his rank too....
 
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India’s sea-based nuclear deterrent soon, says Shyam Saran | idrw.org

India's nuclear deterrent is based on a credible nuclear doctrine and is sustained by a "systematic drive to operationalize" its various delivery components, including a sea-based one by 2015-16, Shyam Saran, chairman of the National Security Advisory Board, said in Delhi on Wednesday.

Countering critics of India's nuclear weapons programme that it was driven by notions of prestige rather than considerations of national security, Saran, also a former foreign secetary who was closely connected with the negotiation of the Indo-US civil nuclear deal, said India's nuclear doctrine is based on the current geopolitical environment, especially with Pakistan actively building up its nuclear arsenal and keeping its aggressive actions and strategies against India in mind.

Giving a talk on "Is India's nuclear deterrent credible?", at the India Habitat Centre, Saran said: "India does have a credible theory of how its nuclear weapons may be used and that is spelt out in its nuclear doctrine."

He said India's nuclear doctrine, which was formally adopted at a meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in Jan 4, 2003, and the regular checks that are held have strengthened the level of confidence in India's nuclear deterrent.

While further reforms would be required "to make our deterrent more robust, it is unhelpful to peddle the impression that it is dysfunctional or worse that it is non-existent", he said at the lecture, held in collaboration with the Subbu Forum and the Society for Policy Studies (SPS).

He said since the May 1998 nuclear tests, India has demonstrated "quite clearly a sustained and systematic drive to operationalize the various components of the nuclear deterrent in a manner best suited to India's security environment. This is not the record of a state which considers nuclear weapons an instrument of national pride and propaganda".

"It is expected that a modest sea-based deterrence will be in place by 2015 or 2016," Saran said and termed the development of the "third leg of the triad (of nuclear delivery systems) which is submarine based" as "work in progress".

He said Pakistan has given the excuse of the Indo-US civil nuclear deal as the reason for the "relentless build up of its nuclear arsenal", its refusal to allow the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva to undertake multilateral negotiations on a Fissile Material Cut-Off Treaty (FMCT) as well as its threat to deploy theatre nuclear weapons to meet a so-called conventional Indian armed thrust across the border.

"The votaries of non-proliferation in the West have criticised the Indo-US civil nucear agreement as having allowed exceptionalism in favour of India, which has encouraged a nuclear arms race between India and Pakistan," Saran said.

The exception provided to India in clinching the deal "rests on India's universally acknowledged and exceptional record as a responsible nuclear state as contrasted with Pakistan's equally exceptional record as a source of serial proliferation and in possession of a nuclear programme born in deceit and deception", he said.

"There is no moral equivalence in this respect between the two countries and this point must be driven home every time Pakistan claims parity. We should not allow such an insiduous campaign to affect our proposed membership of the NSG (Nuclear Suppliers Group) and the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime)".

Saran said Pakistan's nuclear weapons are focused in large part on the threat from India, real or imagined.

In the buildup of its nuclear arsenal, "what Pakistan is signalling to India and to the world is that India should not contemplate retaliation even if there is another Mumbai because Pakistan has lowered the threshold of nuclear use to the theatre level".

This he said, is "nothing short of nuclear blackmail, no different from the irresponsible behaviour one witnesses in North Korea" and deserves condemnation by the international community as it is a threat not just to India but to international peace and security".

Saran said Pakistan's nuclear build-up is "driven by a mind-set which seeks parity with and even overtaking India, irrespective of the cost this entails".

Islamabad is also driven by the fear that the US may carry out an operation, like the top secret one to kill Osama bin Laden in Abbotabad, "to disable, destroy or confiscate, its nuclear weapons".

Saran added that "in the current world scenario of multiple nuclear actors, there is pervasive uncertainty about how the nuclear dynamics will play itself out even if a nuclear exchange commenced with only two actors".

Saran said the "mostly self-serving and misconceived notions" about India's nuclear deterrent "have much to do with the failure on the part of both the state as well as India's strategic community to confront and to refute them".

He termed the "motivated assessments" and "speculative judgments" as "deeply troubling".

He blamed it on an "information vacum" and hoped the government makes public its nuclear doctrine and releases data regularly on what steps have been taken and are being taken to put the requirements of the doctrine in place.

"It is not necessary to share operational details but an overall survey, such as an annual Strategic Posture Review, should be shared with the citizens of the country who, after all, pay for the security which the deterrent is supposed to provide to them.

Another welcome step would be to hold an "informed and vigorous debate based on accurate and factual information". The people of the country also need to be taken into confidence about the risks and benefits of maintaining a nuclear deterrent.
 

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Budget allocation of Indian Navy for 2013-14 is Rs. 34,212.33 crores: Antony
New Delhi, Apr. 29 (ANI): Defence Minister A.K. Antony on Monday said the budget allocation of Indian Navy for 2013-14 is Rs. 34,212.33 crores out of which Rs. 22738.70 crores is earmarked for modernization.
Antony said modernisation of the Indian Navy is an ongoing process keeping in view the prevailing security environment, threat perceptions, emerging technologies and capabilities to be achieved.
"The budget allocation of Indian Navy for 2013-14 is Rs. 34212.33 crores out of which Rs. 22738.70 crores is earmarked for modernization purpose." he said in a written reply to Dr. M. Thambidurai in the Lok Sabha. (ANI)
Budget allocation of Indian Navy for 2013-14 is Rs. 34,212.33 crores: Antony
 

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what happened to kolkatta class ships,17a frigate,nothing going in navy favour
 

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Kolkata Class built already. Waiting for Barak 8 MRSAM integration.



Actually Navy is probably the only service where comparatively things are going at a steady pace.

Compare it to Tejas, Rafale, AMCA etc of IAF and ARs, BPJ, Night vision, Howitzers, MBTs, LTs, FICV etc of IA... Navy is much better placed.

what happened to kolkatta class ships,17a frigate,nothing going in navy favour
 
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Indian Navy aiming for technological self-reliance: Admiral Soni

The Indian Navy is committed to promoting self-reliance in military technology to help sustain the country's economic growth, a top naval commander said here Friday."The momentous economic growth of the nation has to be sustained by suitable security measures. Accordingly, the Maritime Capabilities Perspective Plan lays down a force level of 200 ships, 600 aircraft and about 20 submarines apart from shore based assets and infrastructure," said Vice Admiral Satish Soni, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief, Southern Naval Command, inaugurating a seminar organised by Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL).

While lauding BEL for its customer engagement initiative, Vice Admiral Soni sought good waterfront support infrastructure backed by a sound fault finding and repair system as well as adequate spares inventory.

India is heavily dependent on sea-borne trade, as 90 percent of its total trade by volume is transported through waterways. It also has to keep track of its vast Economic Exclusive Zone (EEZ), slated to go up to 2.54 million sq km from the present two million sq km, apart from off-shore oil and gas assets.

BEL chairman and managing director Anil Kumar, who delivered the keynote address at the seminar, said his organisation was proud to partner the Indian Navy's blue water aspirations.

"Three new SBUs for missiles, satellites and communication systems have been set up. Coastal Surveillance System project by BEL has already been commissioned in Kerala, Gujarat, Maharashtra and Andhra. BEL is also involved in setting up similar infrastructure at Mauritius and the Seychelles. Product support Centre for NPOL, Cochin Shipyard and Naval Ship Repair Yard Kochi is already functioning from here," said Kumar.

Blue-water navy refers to a maritime force capable of sustained operation across open oceans, project power from the home country and usually includes one or more aircraft carriers.

The Indian Navy is bolstering its blue water capabilities, strategically positioning itself to realise the country's stated aspiration to command a dominant role in the Indian Ocean.

Vice Admiral Soni later opened an exhibition showcasing various BEL products such as communication equipment, night vision devices, modern commando information systems and other electronics intensive hardware.
 

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ACCORDING TO THIS OLD REPORT FROM 2010

The Indo-Israeli Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM) was successfully test fired in Israel last fortnight. "The 70-km missile was fired at an electronic target and met with its initial objectives," DRDO chief Dr Vijay Saraswat said in an exclusive interview with India Today.

The second test of the missile will be held in India sometime later this year. The missile will be integrated by Indian technicians. The LR-SAM area defence missile is being jointly developed by India and Israel under a Rs.2500 crore project which began in 2006. The missile, also called the Barak-2 are to equip the three guided missile destroyers of the Project 15A class. The three destroyers are to join the Indian navy in one year intervals beginning in 2012.

"We will deliver the system to the armed forces in 2013. I am very confident it will be an astounding success," Dr Saraswat said. A second variant, called the Medium Range SAM (MR-SAM) is being developed for the Indian Air Force under a Rs.10,000 crore project signed in 2009. The MR-SAM is to replace all the IAF's ageing Soviet-made Pechora SAM missiles. According to naval officials, a 100-km range theatre defence version called the Extended Range SAM is being developed for the four Project 15B destroyers.

Indo-Israeli missile successfully test-fired: DRDO chief : Latest Headlines, News - India Today

So what went wrong and what i am missing
 

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Kolkata Class built already. Waiting for Barak 8 MRSAM integration.



Actually Navy is probably the only service where comparatively things are going at a steady pace.

Compare it to Tejas, Rafale, AMCA etc of IAF and ARs, BPJ, Night vision, Howitzers, MBTs, LTs, FICV etc of IA... Navy is much better placed.
my concern is after launching they are idle for many years,they can go ahead with current weapons and they can add the under development weapons in 15 b or they can add 3 more to kolkatta class itself
 

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In January 2011, the Cabinet Committee on Security gave approval for four more destroyers under Project 15B, which will be upgraded Project 15A ships. Even though Type 15B retains the hull form of Kolkata class destroyers, there will be changes in the superstructure that will improve stealth and include better sound and infrared suppression systems. Project 15B differs from Project 15A because of the flush deck. The flush deck improves stealth as it is smoother with less angles and corners. The displacement of each Project 15B will be approximately 8,000 tonnes. As with most Indian designed ships, they will operate two helicopters.

The Project 15B will be armed with the Nirbhay land attack cruise missile (1,000 km range), the hypersonic Brahmos-2 anti-ship cruise missile (300 km range) and Extended Range Surface to Air Missile (ER-SAM) also known as Barak 8ER (120 km range).
Kolkata-class destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Govt okays construction of 4 more stealth destroyers : Latest Headlines, News - India Today

my concern is after launching they are idle for many years,they can go ahead with current weapons and they can add the under development weapons in 15 b or they can add 3 more to kolkatta class itself
 

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like natarajan said if we are missing Waiting for Barak 8 MRSAM integration just use the Shtil-1 missile system, since we are already using them on shivalik class and later go for upgrade which is a simple issue but there is something more can some Seniors throw some light
 

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I am a lay man, AFAIK, Barak 8 has very unconventional and compact launcher and FCS. Fitting another type of SAM system in it's place I guess is not feasible.

The launcher of Barak SAM system utilizes a compact vertical launching system, with an 8-cell module weighing 1,700 kg. Fire control is provided by an equally compact C3I system that weighs 1,300 kg, which can either operate independently or in conjunction with other onboard sensors.
Barak 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

like natarajan said if we are missing Waiting for Barak 8 MRSAM integration just use the Shtil-1 missile system, since we are already using them on shivalik class and later go for upgrade which is a simple issue but there is something more can some Seniors throw some light
 

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I am a lay man, AFAIK, Barak 8 has very unconventional and compact launcher and FCS. Fitting another type of SAM system in it's place I guess is not feasible.



Barak 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I heard that the Barak-8 has stirred some controversy and that the IAF and IN aren't happy with the Israelis?? Maybe we could go with the Barak-1 and later update/upgrade to the Barak-8. Its pointless to have three ships ready for trials but lying idle.:sad:
 

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