India's Interest in Lockheed F-35 Fighter

Galaxy · Dec 20, 2011

tony4562 said:
Taiwanese are 99% han chinese, i don't get why you keep bragging about their success. Taiwan once had GDP/per capital 20 times that of mainland, so the gap is now shrinking fast. Average income in shanghai is now approaching half the level of Hongkong, 20 years ago, it was not even 5%. But anyway, be it taiwan, hong kong, tokyo, shanghai, or be it korea, taiwan, china or japan, there is one thing in common, its east asian. You should hold off your guns till India actually achieves something.

How you define Han people ?? :wave:

North China were not Han people, Neither East Turmenistan, Tibet and half of the China including many parts. Even manchurian people are considered as Han. lol. read history. Han concept is based on Communist propaganda machine.

Yes, I know Shanghai per capita is close to 10,000 $. 25% Population living on east coast have high per capita and rest of 75% Chinese are living in poverty or bad condition. Do you know China wealth distribution ??

I already gave the reason why China growth is limited. It's "Middle-Class Trap". They have own limitation.

Income inequality in China is ranked the 52nd highest worldwide, with a GINI index of 41.5.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html

25% China moving upward and remaining 75% living in bad situation. What's point to have 2nd largest economy ? Even Ireland with bankruptcy is far better as they have much better standard of living and less Income equality.

Wealth gap "widely felt" in China: newspaper

[URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39546204/ns/business-world_business/t/chinas-wealth-gap-strains-social-fabric
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LETHALFORCE · Dec 20, 2011

off all the East Asian countries China still has the lowest PPP in comparision. All the wealth is more or less controlled by the communist party members.

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=67

ace009 · Dec 20, 2011

Why are we discussing India vs China again?

Guys - I suggest you read these two books -

1. The Post-American World by Farid Zakaria
2. Imagining India by Nandan Nilekani

A lot of your misconceptions, half-truths, myths and anti-China (for Indians) and anti-India (by Chinese) beliefs will be resolved.

JineshJK · Dec 21, 2011

Father of Stealth technology

Also please dont compare South Korea with Japan. Japan helped them a lot in Science and technology because of US pressure. And still South Korea is no way near to Japan and not away from China. May be China in many ways far superior to South Korea.
Samsung success is all because of their well maintained marketing and sale strategies.

p2prada · Dec 21, 2011

Huh! What's up with the topic at hand?

JineshJK · Dec 22, 2011

Please read this...
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Air-Superiority-Brief-May-2009-A.pdf

Especially page 29.

ace009 · Dec 23, 2011

JineshJK said:
Please read this...
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Air-Superiority-Brief-May-2009-A.pdf

Especially page 29.

Ohhhh Maaan -

Not Ausairpower again!!

Listen rookie - read through the forums, do a little research - we have discussed Carlo Krupp a hundred times - make that - ad nauseum and ad infinitum.

trackwhack · Dec 23, 2011

ace009 said:
Why are we discussing India vs China again?

Guys - I suggest you read these two books -

1. The Post-American World by Farid Zakaria
2. Imagining India by Nandan Nilekani

A lot of your misconceptions, half-truths, myths and anti-China (for Indians) and anti-India (by Chinese) beliefs will be resolved.

Unfortunately, one is a propoganda machine and the other is a businessman masquerading as a nation builder. Misconceptions, half truths and myths will ensure that this nation is not colonized or overrun once again. And the colonizers are pretty good at propaganda.

If there is anything, anyone on this forum must read, it is Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

ace009 · Dec 23, 2011

trackwhack said:
Unfortunately, one is a propoganda machine and the other is a businessman masquerading as a nation builder. Misconceptions, half truths and myths will ensure that this nation is not colonized or overrun once again. And the colonizers are pretty good at propaganda.

If there is anything, anyone on this forum must read, it is Noam Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

Ohhh - so you ARE a communist - you swear by Noam Chomsky and his viewpoints ... And you work for a wall street farm? LOL

I have read - Manufacturing consent, Hagemony or Survival and Necessary Illusions. I do respect Chomsky, but do not think that he is always right OR is the only prominent intellectual of our times.

Anyway, IF you read Imagining India, you would know that Nilekani NEVER claimed to be a nation builder - just claimed to be a philanthropist. As for Zakaria being a propaganda machine - hmmm - I will say the same about Chomsky too.

civfanatic · Dec 23, 2011

ace009 said:
Ohhh - so you ARE a communist - you swear by Noam Chomsky and his viewpoints ... And you work for a wall street farm? LOL

Talk about a false dilemma. How you can conclude someone is a communist because they agree with Chomsky is beyond me. As far as I know Chomsky himself in an anarcho-syndicalist and not a communist, though I doubt you know what that is.

trackwhack · Dec 23, 2011

ace009 said:
Ohhh - so you ARE a communist - you swear by Noam Chomsky and his viewpoints ... And you work for a wall street farm? LOL

I have read - Manufacturing consent, Hagemony or Survival and Necessary Illusions. I do respect Chomsky, but do not think that he is always right OR is the only prominent intellectual of our times.

Anyway, IF you read Imagining India, you would know that Nilekani NEVER claimed to be a nation builder - just claimed to be a philanthropist. As for Zakaria being a propaganda machine - hmmm - I will say the same about Chomsky too.

If you've really read Chomsky, you're response would have been very different. Keep pretending. Adios.

And yeah, calling Nilekani a philanthropist is funny, just like calling Bill Gates a philanthropist is.

ace009 · Dec 23, 2011

civfanatic said:
Talk about a false dilemma. How you can conclude someone is a communist because they agree with Chomsky is beyond me. As far as I know Chomsky himself in an anarcho-syndicalist and not a communist, though I doubt you know what that is.

Chomsky IS a Marxist - according to himself. I have read his books And I have met him in person twice. He is not a Leninist type of Marxist - but as you so parroted - an "Anarcho-Syndicalist", a la the anarchists during the Spanish civil War who lost to both the communists and the nationalists. Anyway, WHY do I not like Chomsky even though I respect him? Try this ...

Noam Chomsky: A Critical Review

ace009 · Dec 23, 2011

trackwhack said:
If you've really read Chomsky, you're response would have been very different. Keep pretending. Adios.

And yeah, calling Nilekani a philanthropist is funny, just like calling Bill Gates a philanthropist is.

Well, if Bill gates is NOT a Philanthropist in your argument - care to share who is?

As for your following Chomsky - WHY are you working for a Wall Street farm again and not working at the Occupy Wall Street movement?

trackwhack · Dec 23, 2011

ace009 said:
Well, if Bill gates is NOT a Philanthropist in your argument - care to share who is?

As for your following Chomsky - WHY are you working for a Wall Street farm again and not working at the Occupy Wall Street movement?

No, I wont care to share who is.

I never claimed to be working anywhere, you concluded that way. As to why, I am exploiting American capitalism for the good of myself and to raise enough capital to promote my own ideas of philanthropy.

But for a runaway self proclaimed researcher like you, none of this will make sense.

ace009 · Dec 23, 2011

trackwhack said:
No, I wont care to share who is.

I never claimed to be working anywhere, you concluded that way. As to why, I am exploiting American capitalism for the good of myself and to raise enough capital to promote my own ideas of philanthropy.

But for a runaway self proclaimed researcher like you, none of this will make sense.

Thank you - I take it as a compliment.

You do work for a Wall Street farm - in a proxy mode though! LOL

Do follow Chomsky as your god or mentor or whatever - put him on a pedestal - but know that I will knock him off every time I see it ...

Back on Topic - I do hate to see people here bashing PRC and Chinese with racist, ethnic and other slurs. I wonder how you get that from Chomsky?

Tshering22 · Dec 23, 2011

SHASH2K2 said:
F35 will kill our AMCA

Arey bhai, with Tejas itself there are so many issues to be sorted out.. when do you think we are going to get AMCAs up? Unless there is a drastic miracle, I doubt that ADA has even started serious work. Bureaucracy is going to kill AMCA automatically.

ace009 · Dec 23, 2011

Tshering22 said:
Arey bhai, with Tejas itself there are so many issues to be sorted out.. when do you think we are going to get AMCAs up? Unless there is a drastic miracle, I doubt that ADA has even started serious work. Bureaucracy is going to kill AMCA automatically.

I agree - look at Tejas - it is a R&D success - albeit late. but it is an industrial failure - primarily due to Politics and bureaucracy.

p2prada · Dec 24, 2011

ace009 said:
Back on Topic - I do hate to see people here bashing PRC and Chinese with racist, ethnic and other slurs. I wonder how you get that from Chomsky?

Thank you. But has nothing to do with the topic.

p2prada · Dec 24, 2011

ace009 said:
I agree - look at Tejas - it is a R&D success - albeit late. but it is an industrial failure - primarily due to Politics and bureaucracy.

Tejas is a design failure. That is the very reason why the design is being overhauled and replaced with a Mk2 model. Even if the LCA Mk1 gives no problems at all, the design does not conform to IAF ASQR. DRDO announced that Mk2 is being made to achieve ASQR.

Tejas's failure has nothing to do with politics or bureaucracy. We were simply not ready for this kind of work without prior preparation. That's what DRDO is doing from now on. They will make major progress on the technology front and only then start working on the project, when they are sure about the base technology. The recently announced Laser based defence project is proof of that. LASTEC has been doing a lot of work for the last 2 decades.

LCA project was like a group of guys bunching up together and then saying let's build a plane. Something like a typical undergraduate engineering project. None of the technology was even researched prior to the start.

ace009 · Dec 24, 2011

p2prada said:
Tejas is a design failure. That is the very reason why the design is being overhauled and replaced with a Mk2 model. Even if the LCA Mk1 gives no problems at all, the design does not conform to IAF ASQR. DRDO announced that Mk2 is being made to achieve ASQR.

Tejas's failure has nothing to do with politics or bureaucracy. We were simply not ready for this kind of work without prior preparation. That's what DRDO is doing from now on. They will make major progress on the technology front and only then start working on the project, when they are sure about the base technology. The recently announced Laser based defence project is proof of that. LASTEC has been doing a lot of work for the last 2 decades.

LCA project was like a group of guys bunching up together and then saying let's build a plane. Something like a typical undergraduate engineering project. None of the technology was even researched prior to the start.

Again we disagree. The LCA Tejas Mk1 was designed by DRDO/ ADA starting in the late 1980s early 1990s. The IAF ASQR was very different back then. IAF wanted a replacement fighter similar to the Mirage 2000, which they had fallen in love with. The DRDO./ ADA did that, albeit too late by about 15 years. By the time political and bureaucratic delays made the Tejas Mk1 possible, the IAF ASQR had changed with much more advanced requirements. Que the Mk2 version.

For AMCA, we hope that it will be less of a clusterI need to read the rules.I need to read the rules.I need to read the rules.I need to read the rules., but then again - the chances are 50-50 - isn't it?

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