The Syrian Crisis

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I will not go by his words... I believe the decision was made long back and preparations already made. I will not be surprised if even the timing was decided. And likely Russian response factored in.

US cares a damn for collateral... KSA/Qatar or the entire Persian Gulf.

What Obama mouths is just the bluster, while one by one pieces of the puzzle are being gathered together.
 

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Israeli Military Intel Chief says US has no quick fix option in Syria.

Former MI chief: U.S. must choose the 'best worst' option in Syria
Amos Yadlin's analysis of U.S. military options in response to alleged chemical attacks in Syria suggests there's no quick fix to removing Bashar Assad or stopping the bloodshed.
By Gili Cohen | Aug. 29, 2013 | 2:38 PM


Former Military Intelligence head Maj. Gen. (ret.) Amos Yadlin says there is currently no military option available to the United States that would bring an immediate end to the bloodshed occurring in Syria and force the ouster of President Bashar Assad.

In a paper published by Yadlin and Avner Golov for the Institute for National Security Studies (of which Yadlin is the director), the two wrote that none of the present options - including continued American restraint - are optimal options, and may even be bad. They claim there is no military option that could quickly remove Assad from power or guarantee a moderate democratic government for the country.

"In light of the understanding that inaction is the worst strategy, immoral, and harms American interests, there is a need to examine what is 'the best worst strategy,'" they explained.

Yadlin was also the former deputy head of the Israel Air Force and the Israel Defense Forces' military attache in Washington. Golov is a researcher at INSS.

The authors describe the concerns facing the United States before taking military action.

First, intervention in the Syrian civil war is opposed to American aspirations to put an end to the wars of the last decade in the Middle East. In addition, such actions would increase the fears of another war in a Muslim country, similar to others the Americans have fought in recent years in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yadlin and Golov say the main concern is that an American military operation would bring with it "unexpected consequences" that would expand the extent of the military operation in Syria and its duration. For example, such an operation against Assad could help strengthen the jihadist organizations fighting the regime.

"Military intervention could possibly bring Washington into direct confrontation with Moscow, and could also provoke a response from Assad's Iranian patron, and open a new front against Iran and Hezbollah, which is already involved in the fighting in Syria," they noted. The authors are of the opinion that Iran and Hezbollah are not interested in an escalation of the situation, but in containing it and preserving the momentum Assad gained after his army's victory at Al-Qusayr last June.

There are six practical possibilities available to the Americans, Yadlin and Golov believe. One does not include a military attack but simply the continued training and supplying of the rebels. The former head of MI says such a strategy would have been appropriate for the conditions that existed up to a few months ago, before the American declaration that the Assad regime used chemical weapons in its own country, and therefore "it does not provide an appropriate response at this point."

They also propose a number of limited military options. One is a pinpoint "punishment" attack, such as an aerial or cruise missile attack against the units that took part in the chemical attack; or an attack against military targets and government assets. Yadlin and Golov call this "a local act of punishment, which does not change the situation in Syria in a significant fashion." This could prevent broader use of chemical warfare, but there is great doubt as to whether it would influence Assad's considerations regarding the ongoing massacre of his own people.

Another possibility is declaring a No-Fly Zone, which could seriously compromise Assad's battle plans, the authors state. If a "No Movement" zone was added to the plan - making certain areas off bounds to all movement of tank and artillery forces - this could, possibly, significantly decrease the harm to civilians. However, the authors note setting up such restricted zones would require long-term intervention, and that would mean significant financial resources.

If the United Sates were to cooperate in the use of allied forces in such a scenario, this could significantly reduce the major disadvantage of such a scenario.

Another possibility is to declare the areas near the Syrian borders with Jordan and Turkey as demilitarized zones and to establish a "humanitarian corridor" in the area. This would allow Jordanian and Turkish troops to protect the areas along their borders.

The United States could also conduct a longer aerial operation that could include a number of attacks on Assad's forces - on air, land and sea. These forces currently enable Assad to maintain his fight against the rebels, but the authors warn that this could cause the Americans to be sucked into the civil war itself.

Another possibility - possibly the most extreme, but the most effective in eliminating the use of chemical weapons, the authors state - is to take physical control of the regime's chemical weapons stores. This would require the use of special forces and having them operate on the ground in Syria "until all the chemical materials were destroyed." However, Yadlin and Golov note, even this option doesn't eliminate the danger of the transfer of chemical weapons to other groups, and it is not clear how the United States would respond in the event of additional use of chemical weapons.

The authors say the analysis of the relevant options available to U.S. President Barack Obama suggests a strategy requiring gradual but direct American intervention. Such a strategy would "change the rules of the game in Syria," in addition to punishing and deterring Assad from additional use of chemical weapons.

The United States should also base its military operation on the broadest possible framework, the authors believe - whether through the UN Security Council or, if that isn't forthcoming, within the framework of cooperation with its allies in the region, including countries such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan and Israel. Yadlin and Golov even say there is the possibility of including Egypt in such actions in order to improve relations.
 

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China, Russia Leave Emergency Security Council Meeting On Syria | Stop NATO...Opposition to global militarism

So no deal?

Russian and Chinese representatives have left the UN Security Council session that discussed the draft resolution on Syria proposed by Great Britain
Read more: http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_...l-session-on-Syria-Al-Jazeera-3761/?from=menu

and

Russia is sending an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean, according to Russian news agency Interfax.

An armed forces source reportedly said the planned deployment was in response to the "well-known situation" - a clear reference to the conflict in Syria.
http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/syria_russia_to_send_ships_to_mediterranean
 
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In my view US is happy with the Fratricidal Shia Sunni war going on in Syria

Once US removes Assad ; the Biggest Gainer will be AL Qaeda and the
Saudi Wahabis / Salafis

What will USA GAIN ?
 

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In my view US is happy with the Fratricidal Shia Sunni war going on in Syria

Once US removes Assad ; the Biggest Gainer will be AL Qaeda and the
Saudi Wahabis / Salafis

What will USA GAIN ?
Game Changer Title
 

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UK government's Syria motion

UK opposition - Labour party's Syria amendment

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EDIT: White House to brief congress on syria
Secretary of State John Kerry and senior White House officials will convene a briefing, set for 6 p.m. ET, for leaders of the House and Senate from both parties, as well as the chairmen and ranking members of relevant congressional committees.
So irrespective of what happens in UK parliament, US congress. Tonight may not see any missile strikes???
 
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There is a Journalist Near Arikorti RAF Base in Cyprus..Tweeting about several type of Plane Landing


Reporting U2 Dragon Lady

[TWEET]373092538573664256[/TWEET]


Looks like a Russian Cargo Plane ..Does RAF hiring any Russian Planes for Transport


[tweet]373121739947253761[/tweet]
 

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I will not go by his words... I believe the decision was made long back and preparations already made. I will not be surprised if even the timing was decided. And likely Russian response factored in.

US cares a damn for collateral... KSA/Qatar or the entire Persian Gulf.

What Obama mouths is just the bluster, while one by one pieces of the puzzle are being gathered together.
 

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I wanted to know why western are planning to get their hands dirty .

Why donot they allow big bullies of gulf to get their hand dirty in it.

After all doesn`t big bullies of gulf have all their modern war toys .they have from f-15 ,f-16 ,typhoon etc to different countries.why this countries are going to use it.or its mere a show-off
 

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I will not go by his words... I believe the decision was made long back and preparations already made. I will not be surprised if even the timing was decided. And likely Russian response factored in.

US cares a damn for collateral... KSA/Qatar or the entire Persian Gulf.

What Obama mouths is just the bluster, while one by one pieces of the puzzle are being gathered together.
Whats puzzle .can elaborate more or just send pm over the topic
 

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Obama Refused to Send Gas Masks to Syrian Opposition for Over a Year - The Daily Beast

The Obama administration has refused to send gas masks and other chemical-weapons protection gear to Syrian opposition groups, despite numerous requests dating back more than a year and until the reported chemical-weapons attack that struck the Damascus suburbs August 21.

Following the harrowing attack that left more than 1,300 dead and more than 3,000 injured in East Ghouta and other Damascus suburbs, the Obama administration is contemplating a strike on the regime of Bashar al-Assad. But Syrian civilians are still trying to cope with the tragedy and treat the wounded, who include scores of children caught sleeping when the gas was dispersed. The attack zone has a fatal shortage of gas masks, chemical-weapons protection gear, and the nerve agent antidote atropine; civilians and activists have been forced to resort to crafting makeshift masks out of everyday household items.
 

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British Parliament votes against possible military action in Syria
The British Parliament Thursday rejected a proposal for military action in Syria -- while the Obama administration said it would make its own decision on a possible strike. Thursday vote was nonbinding, but Cameron's loss on even a symbolic vote likely means there will be no second-round vote next week.

Pentagon officials insist strikes are likely "within days" and that the U.S. was "past the point of no return" on the issue -- suggesting Washington was prepared to act unilaterally. U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said Thursday that his team would not leave until Saturday morning, and confirmed he had spoken to Obama about impending action.
So is it saturday night??
 

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Whats puzzle .can elaborate more or just send pm over the topic
The puzzle will be complete with installing a Saudi puppet in Iran. Syria is only a halfway house.

Russia still remains inscrutable. But maybe a central Asia deal will pacify them.
 

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I wanted to know why western are planning to get their hands dirty .

Why donot they allow big bullies of gulf to get their hand dirty in it.

After all doesn`t big bullies of gulf have all their modern war toys .they have from f-15 ,f-16 ,typhoon etc to different countries.why this countries are going to use it.or its mere a show-off
Syria project perhaps dragged on because of Western hope that GCC force may act. But looks like they are not able overcome their fear of Iran. Plus the fear of domestic trouble.
 

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