Z++ security for Rs 1,900 crore Shivaji statue

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  1. Peter

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    Z++ security for Rs 1,900 crore Shivaji statue

    Z++ security for Rs 1,900 crore Shivaji statue - The Times of India
     
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    Everyone in India knows the courageous and brave Shivaji and his struggle against the bigoted Aurangzeb. He was a great hero for the Indian people who have always wanted a free and egalitarian society that respects all religions. One should definitely honour such great men.

    However is it necessary to build a 1900 crore statue in a state with one of the highest farmer suicide rates in India? Even people like Mayawati,Gandhi,Nehru have grandiose statues. I think it would have been better if a school/hospital had been built in his honour.
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    This penchant for statues gets more ridiculous by the day.

    But then it appears that we Indians require assurance of their glorious past to dissolve their whining present.

    I an't help but feel that we suffer from a national insecurity, wherein we have to deify leaders and other icons, past and even present.
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    TBH, imo govt spending on statues on our past is a much better way to spend the govt money instead of spending on useless subsidies. Atleast these statues would become tourist spots and generate revenue and will be part of our natural heritage and culture and it would make us proud.

    SO I am very much in favor of these statues

    Example- statue of liberty, Eiffel tower, Gate way of India, and the thousand other land marks and tourist spots across the globe
     
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    Its about time we got to know atleast something about our heroes like Shivaji and something honouring them.

    Really, there is nothing about the greatness of our Maratha empire in our history books nor is there anything on the Chola empire. Instead we are forced to read about bastards like Aurangzeb's musical skills and shit in our books. Thats not History.

    If statue like these help create awareness about these great people and our past history, then its well worth it.

    I am actually kind of surprised that Fiberal bastards have not made Shivaji into a communal icon since he fought against secular Aurangzeb
     
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    Subsidies for poor are not useless IMO. However I would leave that out in this thread.
    The tourism that will be generated by the statues will help the govt in recovering the cost. However it will take a lot of time to break even.

    Also statue of liberty was built by France and gifted to the USA. France and USA had been allies during the American Revolution. The French monarchy was known for its extravagance. It was this extravagance that led to the French revolution and the ultimate execution of the French king ad queen.

    After all when there was a famine in France this is what Marie Antoinette,the French queen said,"Qu'ils mangent de la brioche."(Let them eat cake.)

    Statue of Liberty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    My point is that govt should not spend so much money on statues.
     
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    Tourism is a good industry and the returns multiply!

    India has the potential to attract more number of tourists from all over the world. The statue is a tourist spot !
     
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    Bjp should stop this 'statue' nonsense. Built university or hostpital in his name.

    It would earn much more goodwill for bjp!

    Ps- bjp should ask marthi people,they will tell u which they will prefer!
     
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    The statue idea is good IMO.

    It is a very much needed sign of pride of marathas in their heritage. The statue doesn't only honours Shivaji, but portrays the achievements of Marathas themselves.

    Provided, the current Govt. do tackle the issues of drought and farmer suicides before the work in the statue begins. The honor in one's heritage is important, but no more than food in the belly and children's future.
     
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    I am guessing you haven't spent much time in Mumbai / Maharashtra.
     
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    Somehow I am not so comfortable with this statue idea. I agree with the point some are making, that it could result in tourism revenue. However, considering the state of our tourism departments, I feel there are slim chances that the sarkari baboons there will be able to get so much tourist inflow.

    I do agree 100% with @Mad Indian that Indian kids need to learn about the Chola empire, Maratha empire, Hemu, the Travancore maharajas, Kittur Rani Chennama, The kakatiyas, the vijayanagara empire, the fierce rajput warriors, and many many more. And seriously - empires like the Cholas were real badasses. They have been reduced to mere footnotes in our history textbooks. This dichotomy needs to be corrected. But I am not sure if the statue is a good way to do it. The cost-benefit ratio of this statue (in terms of spreading awareness of our badass empires) seems to be minimal.

    By the way, speaking about great empires and the distortion of history in our textbooks, I want everyone on DFI to read this blog post. Its awesome, it will take only 10 minutes, and it worth every second. Guys, please read this - it is a national need: The Kaipullai's Vetti Thoughts : The outer playground of my inner devil | The greatest Heist in Indian history..How Indian History was changed and we didn’t even notice. Part 1:The lost eon 6th Century B.C to 1174 A.D

    I have plugged this blog several times in the past, I know - but it needs to be done.
     
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    that's why i asked,get a ground report before going ahead!
     
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    THIS.

    What good is a statue going to do? And I don't want to hear any of this "inspire the youth" nonsense.

    Think of how much good this sum of money could do if invested in the above infrastructure (schools, clinics and hospitals) the number of people positively affected would be MANY times more than some statue.



    And these security precautions are just absurd FOR A STATUE. Have such security for important infrastructure around India and vulnerable civilian targets.
     
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    Then in that case.
    F.y.i in Maharashtra Shivaji Maharaj is considered closer to God than a king. I have never seen such a devotion at that scale in any other states to their kings. It is very rare for any thing to celebrate Shivaji to be objected to in Maharashtra.
     
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    @abingdonboy @ezsasa ,my view this money can be better used by honouring shivaji by creating university or hospital.

    Ps- namo talked abt railway uni,cinematography uni during rallies.
     
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    Maharashtra has sufficient colleges, hospitals , train stations, airports in name of shivaji. i belong to the school of thought that we lived in socialistic ideology for far too long, it is time splurge a little on our selves. People of mumbai deserve this for them selves. i think it is time for a image make over for our country. i am in favour of anything that increases the visibility of the country.

    If you take empire state building and golden gate bridge in U.S, both these massive monuments were built during the great depression. if some socialist at that time stopped them from being built world would have been deprived for such monuments, if they had chosen to spend on socialistic causes like schools and hospitals they wouldn't be creating the money they are creating today. same things were said about the buddha statue in hyderabad at that time, now it is a city landmark and it generates revenue as a tourist spot and would have in all probability would have recovered the cost and earned money ten times over what they would have initially spent.

    India needs a image makeover and such monuments help the cause.and more over 1900 crores is nothing compared to Mumbai's GDP.
     
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    Awesome post. Could not have said it better :hail:
     
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    @abingdonboy @sasi and others who think this is a bad idea citing university and other reasons,

    When are we going to get our own national monuments then on the lines of Eifel tower, Statue of Liberty etc? We should forever revel only on our past glory and past monuments like Taj Mahal and should never create our own now?

    Remember that poverty is a relative term and that no nation can ever get rid of poverty(socialists will move the goal post on the def of poverty every single time. For ex, if we are to judge poverty rate in India based on the scale used to define it in 1947, we would have a poverty rate of <1%). Universities and schools can be built and run by private players but such monuments on such a massive scale can never be built by private players, atleast not in the present India.

    One last thing, should we chasitise Ashoka for creating massive stupas and pillars all over India(which we consider to be a big part of our heritage nonetheless) when he could have used that money to build better hospitals for poor? He must have been an horrible king wouldn't he, if we are to judge him by the socialist standards?
     
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    "relative term" my bloody a$$, 30% of India lives in abject poverty i.e. they can't even afford to eat or have a house above their heads. THIS should be the priority of India, building national monuments can come later, if these men who have statues being built in their name were alive to today and were as great as they are proclaimed to be then don't you think they would want the children of India to be cared for, fed and educated in their name long before a bloody intimate object is erected IN THEIR NAME.

    I can't follow this kind of flawed thinking at all.


    Even your idol Modi feels the same- he was (rightfully) appalled when he heard about the "Modi shrine" or whatever and asked that the money for these sort of things be spent on making India a better place. BS does a statue make India a better place.
     
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    Except a bridge and a building actually serve a purpose, a statue does literally NOTHING.

    I would have no issue if a bridge was being built in Shivaji's name, that actually does some good.


    What good does a statue and idol worship do?



    "india needs a makeover" true, building a statue = a makeover? Not true. Why not spend it on the roads, on infrastructure, on the buses?
     
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