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2 previous 2 poster HMG and Landi Jeep Asli Jatt solution to refugee 'problem'.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59741Oh. I was all this time wandering where was the post button. Never mind. I will write a piece when I am done fighting my RL.
Thanks.
The answer is simple.Just 3 questions:
1. How you can keep this disintegration going through peacefully without a civil war?
No problem there.2. How you can prevent this civil war from spreading into India?
Why should refugees come?3. How you handle the massive refugee group coming to your country?
Nice comment Sir. Thanks.
Yusuf,
An interesting article.
Your connection of the hadith and the Pakistani and Pakistani Army psyche was indeed an eyeopener since it brought sense to the irrational death wish that Pakistan displays by going to war with India repeatedly.
You are right that India should strike at the root of the Pakistani malaise - its psyche invigorated by religious extracts. Indeed Psyops is the answer since wars are but a waste of time and effort causing unproductive loss in men, material, finances et al and causing deeper schism between the two countries which appears an absurdity in an era of globalisation.
Never underestimate yourself.Nice comment Sir. Thanks.
When I wrote that article, I was thinking I will be called a lunatic. Gotten more favorable response than what I thought.
I fail to understand how much more a psyche can be attacked when it has already conceded defeat. You really cannot push a man from a great height to his death, if he is already down in the ditch."We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people. They should fire at us and it would all be over. They have acted so badly toward us; they have been so mean. We should teach them a lesson. It would teach all of us a lesson. There is no future here, and we need to start over. So many people think this. Have you been to the villages of Pakistan, the interior? There is nothing but dire poverty and pain. The children have no education; there is nothing to look forward to. Go into the villages, see the poverty. There is no drinking water. Small children without shoes walk miles for a drink of water. I go to the villages and I want to cry. My children have no future. None of the children of Pakistan have a future. We are surrounded by nothing but war and suffering. Millions should die away."
It was wrong because it was never our job to keep Pakistan safe. Esp. if Pakistanis themselves do not want to keep themselves safe. Which I believe even the writer knows when he quotes somebody else while being in agreement:For quite long, Indian politicians right at the highest level have maintained that a united, stable and secure Pakistan is in India's best interests. It is a myth as a united, stable and secure Pakistan will keep plotting the next war (conventional or unconventional) against India in its quest to keep the ideological battle against India going.
So when the final conclusion states:Christine Fair argues in her book that for the Pakistan Army, defeat does not lie in its failure to win Kashmir despite its numerous unsuccessful attempts; defeat will be the point when it stops trying. Therefore, failed attempts are just "honourable and brave Muslims" fighting against "meek, pusillanimous and treacherous Hindus".
This fact has to be understood by India very clearly that no matter how good intention it has towards Pakistan, it will never be able to stop Pakistan from acting against India's interests. Pakistan will not desist from anti India activities even if it is given Kashmir on a platter by India as it is in an ideological battle with India. Over the years, this ideological battle has got ingrained very deeply in the psyche of the nation. There are many proponent of the "Gazwa-e-Hind" story which is based on an alleged hadith which allegedly predicts a final battle in India and as a result, a conquest of the whole of Indian sub-continent by Muslim warriors. Pakistan Army's lower and younger ranks are getting even more radicalised than its older generation and it readily accepts this "hadith" as their "destiny" to achieve. These younger generations will lead the Pakistani Army very soon.
It sounds forced and unnatural. Because again it was never our job to see it fail. Our job is to keep us safe. If we have failed to counter their unnatural urges by dividing them once what makes some of us think that more divisions would do any better. All we will in the end get by a division of Pakistan into 4 entities is a pissed out Pakjab and a reasonable shanti/peace with Sindh, Balochistan and Pashtunitan. Not that we should not be sympathetic to the needs of Sindh, Balochistan and Pashtunitan. But with these 3 we need a policy of engagement and with Pakjab we need a policy of disengagement (Gita-leave them to their fate). These can be achieved with or without dividing Pakistan. For example during the recent Indus floods what was the level of cohesion between Pakjab ellites and Pakjab aam abdul. I would guess it was Nil. So there again is available an opening to engage the Pakjab aam abdul too. So the way I see it is that we have to convince almost the whole of Pakistan, gradually off course, that it is the Pakjabi elite that is the real cause of their current state of existence. And I would guess it is not difficult considering the fact they already agree that they are down. We only need to give them a true target. A target which when killed by them will actually deliver them for their internal subjugation by Pakjabis.The only way India is going to get peace is to use every means possible to help Pakistani state disintegrate into four separate states of Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and Pashtunistan busting the Citadel of Islam myth of Pakistan.
Politics.@Yusuf
Nice ariticle
Just wnated to ask one qiestion to you and @Ray sir
We all know that is worth not taking to paksitan on terrorism and other issues may be because there are multiple power center or even if its single power center pakistan administration is going to oppose India ....
What i want to ask this thing must have now been noted by defense/strategic/MEA/RAW experts and central gov PM , home ministry and there sectaries...
So why like parrot they keeping vomiting that we need to keep talking with pakistan , ask them to stop corss border terrorism
Inch inch by year by year our policy makers gave what pakistan requires but donot gain anything on return
Are they fools and or they are in some kind of pressure specially from big power to maintain status quo in the region
Um the only parts of north muslims really controlled were former bhuddist ones like w punjab and bengal.The problem of Pakistan I think is historical narrative which to some extent is true though there are evidence to the contrary history bears testimony that during medieval times whenever assailed by a determined opponent medieval northern Indian kingdoms failed . Pakistan claims itself that it is the direct descendent of all the Islamic Invaders that invaded medieval India ( Though India didn't exist then as it is a recent British construct ) , since these rulers ruled over significant parts of Northern India over 550 years which makes them superior to the local Hindu populace ( Completely ignoring India's 6000 year old History ) narrative is being built .
Like the medieval kingdoms of norther India fell to Islamic Invasions though not easily as invasions started in 650 AD invaders could only rule over Delhi from 1193 after Tarain-2 battle .
Pakistan thinks that it was done overnight presenting a faulty history and a narrative is built where the superior Islamic civilization ruled over heathen kuffar Hindu Northern Indian decadent civilization for near 6 centuries not 1000 years as proclaimed by Pakistan .
So the weak inferior Hindu India will fall in front of superior Islamic Pakistan narrative has been built . This is the reason why we see a lot of Pakistani weapons systems having names of Islamic warriors like Ghauri , khalid etc . They actually teach Jihad in Pakistan's military academy and on a conservative estimate over 80 % of Pakistani officer class subscribes to jihad and destruction of India .
Pakistan will never give up on Kashmir or India it will be India's only perpetual enemy , China in future will become India's friend but never Pakistan like ever . It is a sacred duty of all Islamic Ghazi warriors to destroy heathen India , the war must continue for ever .
I agree, but I also think long term we should look to change the demographics from 99% muslim to 99% hindu/sikh it is only way to be sure.Great article @Yusuf. Very good conclusion, and I concur, that Pakistan's disintegration is what benefits India. The longer it remains united, the more it will drag India down, or at least attempt to. Moreover, a united Pakistan, which is often under military dictatorship, offers a single window opportunity for foreign powers to keep India in check.