YouTube allowed to show anti-Islam film 'Innocence of Muslims'

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  1. Rashna

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    YouTube allowed to show anti-Islam film 'Innocence of Muslims'



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    A three-judge panel had ordered Google to remove the controversial film 'Innocence of Muslims.' Billed as a trailer, it triggered anti-American sentiment among Muslims in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere in 2012.

    SAN FRANCISCO: Google should not have to remove an anti-Islamic film from its YouTube website because a woman complained that she was duped into performing in the film that depicted the Prophet Mohammed as a paedophile, a US appeals court ruled on Monday.

    In a case widely followed for its potential impact on the entertainment industry, an 11-judge panel of the 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco said an injunction prohibiting Google from broadcasting the film should be lifted.

    A three-judge panel had ordered Google to remove the controversial film 'Innocence of Muslims.' Billed as a trailer, it triggered anti-American sentiment among Muslims in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere in 2012.

    For many Muslims, any depiction of the prophet is considered blasphemous.

    Protests over the film coincided with an attack on US diplomatic facilities in Benghazi that left four Americans dead, including the US ambassador to Libya.

    The court said in its ruling that, "The film, featuring a crude production, depicts the Prophet Mohammed as, among other things, a murderer, paedophile, and homosexual."

    The plaintiff, actress Cindy Lee Garcia, objected to the film after learning it incorporated a clip she made for a different movie. According to the ruling, "Film producers dubbed over Garcia's lines and replaced them with a voice asking, 'Is your Mohammed a child molester?'"

    The case raised questions about whether actors may, in certain circumstances, have an independent copyright on their individual performances.

    The 9th Circuit said Garcia's argument "would enable any contributor from a costume designer to an extra to claim copyright in random bits and pieces" of a movie.

    Garcia said she had received death threats due to the film, and while the court sympathized with her position it found that her copyright claims were weak.

    "In this case, a heartfelt plea for personal protection is juxtaposed with the limits of copyright law and fundamental principles of free speech," the court wrote.

    Garcia's attorney, M Cris Armenta, said in an emailed statement, "The decision short changes the threats on the life of Cindy Lee Garcia who did not voluntarily participate in the hateful message that the controversial trailer about the Prophet Mohammed espoused around the world."

    Armenta said it was "unlikely" Garcia would appeal to the US Supreme Court.

    Google said it had "long believed that the previous ruling was a misapplication of copyright law."

    Twitter, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and others had urged the 9th Circuit to side with Google. Twitter argued that copyright law does not require service providers to monitor for all possible infringements. The ACLU said the case involved the public's right to access and view a video central to a political debate.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...Innocence-of-Muslims/articleshow/47338410.cms
     
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  3. Rashna

    Rashna Senior Member Senior Member

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    In India we had a movie called PK which grossed 600 crores and did not get attacked or banned for being anti hindu. My rant against PK isn't that PK focused on fake practices and godmen, in fact that is a good thing but what got my goat was that it glossed over the problems in Islam and Christianity just because that would have meant fatwas.

    Raju Hirani and Aamir khan had it too easy sitting in judgement of hindus while turning a blind eye towards other religions. This film on YOUTUBE got banned in the US (surprise surprise) but PK ran to packed houses in India. In other words our secular credentials are better than the US?
     
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    @Rashna
    Both US and India make fun of their majority religion, i've seen many US shows were they mock jesus and also Indian gods and same here in India for hindus because the followers of these religion are mostly secular and mostly educated to be secular, but you'd see some protests from these groups as well in their respective country which generally goes unnoticed because of their small scale and less violent in nature.

    Large portion of Muslims are poor and uneducated and take refuge in religion(applicable for all religion), so they are more vocal about it. Tolerance increases with wealth and proper education, emphasis on proper secular education because without it, they would look something like arabs.

    So its not hypocritical, rather sensible to gloss over it. These things change with time and through subtle education through media if not school.
     
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    In principle i agree with whatever you say.... but in the US or for that matter in the case of Charlie Hebdo there was a backlash and one that was very evident..... nothing of that sort happened in India, (what happened was very limited and the normally rabid shiv sena chief was seen rubbing shoulders with Aamir Khan when PK released)

    The producers also got the support of right wingers to make it seem like all was well and there wasn't any reason for Hindus to feel insulted that the film actually shows Lord Shiva in a bad light. All the right noises were made and the film ran unobstructed and grossed over 600 crores.

    Therefore our secularism works only for Hindus and leaves out the rest..... Look what happens to salman rushdie in India, and Taslima Nasreen. Would a charlie hebdo be allowed in India? But a PK is which is also guilty of caricaturing a hindu god has an uninterrupted run.... Maybe that we lack violence and the passion to defend our faith?

     
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    One thing that puzzles me about some knee-jerk reactions like this is that they come from people who call themselves atheists/agnostics. If you care about defending your faith are you really a non-believer? Atheists with a christian background may complain that islam gets treated with kid gloves but they won't talk about defending their faith, presumably because they have none. They don't protest against making fun of Christianity just because Islam isn't made fun of too.
     
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    @Rashna
    We have to look at the bigger picture here, nobody cared for our secularism because we were insignificant up untill now, now we are country which can't be ignored, India is exposed to western media so we tend to compare our society to theirs which is understanble. Our own media hasn't penetrated the west market because it content are rather made for Indian market or controlled by larger foreign conglomerate. This needs to be chaged if we are to transcend into a great power.

    About Charlie Hebdo incident is not a good example because he or they made fun of all religion alike, we shouldn't stop introspecting our own religion because we fell judged or feel singled out, Europe went through this phase, now its our time, the only difference is when they did it, nobody was more powerful than them at that time.

    We need change but it shouldn't be sudden, it has to be gradual, otherwise others will look to sabotage it. Let west lecture us, take it quitely today cause its not our time yet. There will be more Salmaan Rushide and Tasleema one day, but we have to cross this phase standing on a tight rope.
     
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    I hope we do because i have no issues with addressing the evil in religion but i want to see it done all across the board... If we ever reach a stage where we can start treating everyone equally then a lot of our other issues would get resolved too.
    Right now our version of secularism means one that is to be followed only by the majority.

     
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    Yes this needs to change, but only through education and making sure this education is penetrated through the population, which is a great challenge, which can be only fulfilled if a lot of citizens and govt. actively participate in a way which is appealing to all tastes, and not with outbursts of hindutva and seem to be coming directly.
     
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    Hindutva forces in our country are regressive... I do not agree with the version of hinduism they are trying to float.... I like the fact that hinduism has no pope or mullah who dictates to me about what i should be doing.... that defines hinduism for me, the freedom to choose my way. These guys are country cousins of mullahs and pontiffs.. no better and no less.

     
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    As long as we compete for wests approval , we will always second grade..............................
     
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    What else can we do under the circumstances? We are brainwashed in to believing that equality is a sin.
     
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    explain..................................................
     
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    Oh come on now. Grow a spine and call a spade a spade. When Hindus do something retarded related to caste system its because of the stupid caste system . when xtians do something retarded relating to their religion, its because of their religion (at least in xtian majority countries). But when muslins do it, its because of their poverty and shit and what not.


    Seriously grow a fffing pair. It can't hurt to to have guts to call out crap and you don't have to do mental gymnastics and provide cover for fundamentalist nutcases driven by their death cult.


    By giving this bogus defence of poverty, illiteracy and other such shit, people like you are actually making it difficult for islam to be reformed. And here is a fun fact which many of you forget- almost all of the terrorists come from wealthy family/middle class family. Most of the terror attacks require some level of sophistication in engineering to pull off and hence are not illiterates either. If anything illiterate poor Muslims care more about their food and shelter than about their religion unlike their well fed fundamentalist middle class nutcases.


    And again I can't stress this enough- grow a spine
     
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    And Hindus of this country are not all tatas and birlas and I don't see them running around killing blasphemers so why should poor Muslims even if your bogus argument is to be taken at face value?
     
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    Not exactly, we banned Wendy Doniger's book for fear of Hindu sentiments. We may be better in some aspects while opposite in some other. There is an attempt from some fringe elements to Indianise our system, culture, education etc by RSS, VHP who would not even know what our faith or culture is.
     
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    And the classic equal equal. While some of the hindutva vadis are dumb- valentines day thuggery and such, they are nowhere crazy as the islamist thugs who chant terrorist names and give bounty on the head of blasphemers. I don't know what to call this equal equal non sense other than self hatred or oikophobia
     
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    Mad Indian Proud Bigot Veteran Member Senior Member

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    And what's wrong with indianisation? Is that supposed to be a negative jab at Hindutva? Oikophobic cultural Marxists :frusty:
     
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    Fact check: We did not ban, her publishers pulled out her book.

    She would have lost the court case given inconsistencies in her book.
     
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    Govt. did not ban the book. The case was ongoing in the court and the Publisher reached an out of court settlement with the Plaintiff, Dinanath Batra.
     
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    @Mad Indian ... see this hindu hater troll ...... We are indians and we will not be subverted by marxist shiet
     

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