Xinjiang: “China’s Second Tibet”

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  1. Ray

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    While there are clear indications that things are not stable in Xinjiang, but is it close to becoming a 'second Tibet'?

    Uighurs being arrested and even killed in custody has become routine.

    But will the Uighur rise against the Han supremacy and control?

    And will the Han (Chinese Govt) not crush them, if they rise, with all the brutality and repression that will not be known to the world because the Chinese will seal off the region and then undertake a systematic genocide?

    The Pakistani trained terrorists/ will hardly be able to make any dent!
     
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    They must be and I believe it so since our worthy Chinese here are avoiding this thread as avoiding many others!
     
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    no one has sympathy over xinjing right now. for starter, we keep hear these people train in terroisrt group. the 2009 riot was clearly went overboard by the ethnic group, about 200 han chinese die. so they basically dig themself into a situation where china government has the perfect excuse to crash down hard. US or any other won't get involve cause some these people were train with al qeada
     
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    The problem of Xinjiang will not get over so quickly.

    Firstly, Muslims are not that easy to appease. especially where their religion is concerned.

    However, China having stronger rules can surely subdue them, provided there is no external help.

    As long as Pakistan harbour terrorists and so long as the Uighurs are operating off the US, things will not be that easy to bring under control.

    Well, as far as the US not joining because of AQ is a moot point.

    While it will be difficult for China to accept the Muslims to have a free hand as far as their religion goes (i.e. without State control), yet, China will finally have to accept that, if it is to be able to surmount the problems in Xinjiang.

    In Syria, the US is said to be 'encouraging' the splittists and there is also the AQ operating side by side.
     
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    That is funny. How many times I and other chinese members were arguing with you regarding "xinjing"!
     
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    Their religion? You got it wrong here again. It is not about religion but ethnic. These uyghurs have a famour agenda:"Eliminating Hui and Killing Han". Guess what religion those huis have? Muslim!

    Apparently, Chinese intellegence and those Uighrs don't agree with you.

    Based on China's history, it seems that Muslim had finally accepted that they cannot have the free hand they want.
    Yes, US also "encouraged" tibetans before 1972. Finally, they abandoned those tibetans when Chinese offer is more attractive.
    Sad part about international politics is that everyone can be bought or sold as long as you have somethng to offer. Worst of worse, the big countries like US and China, they simply have more cards to play.
     
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    I have not got it wrong. It is you who has got it wrong.

    Ethnicity sure plays a role, but then religion for Uighurs is very important.

    You will not understand that since the Chinese approach is beyond understanding religion and its influence. You cannot understand religion because religion is State controlled in China i.e. the priests are selected by the Govt and the sermon is checked by the State before given. In short, the religion that you see ion China is nothing more than, say, an official tutorial and not a free and flowing religious discourse.

    The underground Church or what is known as Home Church is what is real religion, but then it has to be conducted in secret and those who are not members obviously don't know.

    Likewise, there would be such underground mosques where the Islam is practiced.

    Religion, when it can be given freely and without fear or control, is a very potent subject and a tool. That is why China does not allow the same and instead keeps it under strict State control. That way non Govt views cannot be propagated.

    The Hui's religion requires no guessing even though you may like to guess.

    People of Hui origin can be found in most of the counties and cities throughout China, especially in the Ningxia Hui Autonomous Region and Gansu, Qinghai, Henan, Hebei, Shandong and Yunnan provinces and the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.

    According to legend, a Muhuyindeni person converted an entire village of Han with the surname Zhang to Islam. Another source for the Hui comes from Hui adopting Han children and raising them as Hui.

    Unlike the vast majority of Hui people who are of foreign Arab, Persian, and other ancestry through their male line, Hui in Gansu with the surname "Tang" 唐 and "Wang" 汪, are descended from Han Chinese who converted to Islam and married Muslim Hui or Dongxiang people, switching their ethnicity and joining the Hui and Dongxiang ethnic groups, both of which are Muslim.

    I am sure you will remember the The Dungan Revolt and Panthay revolts.

    The Huis have been Sinicised except for their religion and so they do not rise as one people against the Han.

    Chinese intelligence will play the State card.

    If the Uighurs did agree with the Chinese, then why the bombings and so on?


    It is unfortunate that you fail to understand pan Islamism because, in any case, you won't because you have not experienced what religion is. State controlled religion is no religion at all. It is merely regurgitation of State policies with a touch of religious homilies and platitudes.

    US does not abandon its plans. It merely keeps it going hot and cold till the aim is achieved. One can see what happened to USSR.

    If the Chinese offer to Tibetan was any good, then we would not have the recent Tibet Uprising or the unending self immolation, not only in Tibet, but also in Greater Tibet.
     
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    Xinjiang: “China’s Second Tibet”

    1 i fully agree with the title.....way better than 'xinjiang:'china's kashmir' or 'china's assam''aint it?? and the development of xinjiang may even be faster than tibet.....have to say prcs policy of primarily developing the west is leading to some good results here....

    2 the problem created by some uighr separists is not about religion.....they want a separist country...well......to use religion as an excuse or not cant change the simple result which is.....they wont successed.....
     
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    You are right.

    Nowhere India curbs religious or democratic rights or undertake a demographic genocide as China does!

    If India did it, then many would be in Jail as it is done in China or ensure State control of religion that makes religion, not a religion, but a subservient tool to promote State policies and brainwash people.

    We would have also had "Commitment Certificates' as the Chinese make the Muslims give in Xinjiang to show that they have renounced their religion and rites!

    For Muslims, it is RELIGION first, always and every time.

    Unless China gets that in its head, it is a goner!
     
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    well u know u cant curb u just kill......
     
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    If that was the aim, then like China, we would seal off the area, throw out the foreigners and the media, and then like China carry out GENOCIDE, as China has done in TIBET and XINJIANG.

    But then, India is not China.

    We are humane and human!
     
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    well then why chinese leaders never got killed by different revengers from different religions?

    u do then u pay??
     
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    Because they hide and never dare come out!

    The poor policemen and security personnel get killed!
     
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    The Chinese authorities yesterday blamed exiled Muslim Uighur separatists for trouble in the restive western province of Xinjiang which killed at least 156 people and injured hundreds more. But the government was in turn accused of heavy-handed repression which, according to the claim of one Uighur representative, may have left up to 400 people dead.....

    It was the second major eruption of ethnic violence in China in less than 18 months. In March last year, protests and riots flared up in the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, with authorities saying 19 people were killed and exile groups saying the real figure was 200. The latest trouble in Xinjiang also comes at an embarrassing time for the Communist Party in Beijing, just three months before it is due to celebrate the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China.....

    Xinhua said 156 people had been confirmed as killed, and the number was likely to rise. It quoted a senior security official as saying many of the bodies he had seen were Han

    156 dead as Muslim uprising hits China - Asia - World - The Independent

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    Chinese leaders lead from the rear where they have their offices that are highly protected!
     
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    I just asked you one question: when Uighur decides to raise Hui as their top enemy even above Han, how could you say this is still about religion? Do you understand what is the meaning "Eliminating Hui and Killing Han". There is religion factor in Xinjing, but that is never the main one. It is about all about "land".

    Like I always said, you read Chinese history but never understood it.

    Hui had it own problem with Han. But in the war against Uighur, they are always on the same side.

    Lets get it straight: uighur's effort to get independence can be traced back to 150 years when there is no so called state controlled religion or underground mosques. They simply want their own country. The only way they can build their country is grab the land from other ethnics. As the results, there are far more blood in Uighur's hand than Han's. This can apply to almost every minority in Xinjing. That is why every time han army comes in to crack down, other local minorities were standing with Han instead of their muslim brother-Uighur.


    Uighurs won't agree with you since most of times Pakistan is the one providing their information to China.




    I mean Chinese offer to US not tibetan, my friend.
     
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