Xinjiang - a Chechnya in the making

[Ray]

You just dont seem to understand self preservation very well. The situation in China is any land they view as belonging to their people they vigorously pursue and anyone trying to divide their nation is heavy handedly put down.

They dont nor do any self respecting people divide their land into integral or not integral. This categorization only tells people youre expecting to part with your land and identifying what youll part with if they press you hard enough. Every inch of your land should be sacred and as important as your capital and your own house to you. I wonder if our ancestors deemed kabul and kandahar not integral or if they decided that the indus river west punjab and sindh were not integral. From the history it seems indians only found their home state integral and that mindset kept india in slavery for over 1100 years..do you want to it to keep going that way?


China believes as does the west in assimilating everyone into their national identity and language. it creates peace stability and prosperity being able to relate and communicate to your other country men and women. If india has respect for their native cultures why cant her people choose one of her languages like hindi bengali or tamil as her national language instead of speaking english. Itd be as ridiculous as china using japanese as their national language or the polish using german.

Of the concept of one identity and all its facets as a vehicle bringing harmony and stability, there is no debate on that.

However, the contention that India should or could have similar oneness in all its facets, as is there in China or in Europe is a bit skewed, since the circumstances and historical antecedents are different.

The Han people of what is now called China, have been imperialists and have in various stages of its history. As they kept conquering what they called 'barbarians', they though a variety of soft and hard means forcibly converted these 'barbarians' to the Han civilisational facets. Simultaneously, they wiped out the roots of these 'barbarians' to include the cultural, tradition, customs and linguistic roots. In India, there has never been a dominant race or people, who could conquer India and forcibly convert the people to the ways of the dominant race. Hence, there was no one dominant native language which could be used as a common denominator.

Here comes the twist. Why English in India? Good question.

English is there since it was a similar replication of how Mandarin (Han language) has become the language of China. The causative resultant of brute racial and imperialist force. The English conquered India and they imposed their way in all facets of existence. I am sure all are aware of Mandalay's Minutes of 2nd February 1835 and the infamous line:

We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern, --a class of persons Indian in blood and colour, but English in tastes, in opinions, in morals and in intellect.

Han did it in China and so did they do it in Europe to impose the racial attributes of the dominant race amongst their Nations.

Languages and dialects in France

I might draw the attention to the revision of the French constitution creating official recognition of regional languages was implemented by the Parliament in Congress at Versailles in July 2008.

The 1999 Report written for the government by Bernard Cerquiglini identified 75 languages that would qualify for recognition under the government's proposed ratification of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. 24 of those languages are indigenous to the European territory of the state while all the others are from overseas areas of the French Republic (in the Caribbean, Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean and South America).

Languages in UK

I could go on to indicate that there are many languages that exist in each of the European Nations.

And yet, in the business place, for official work and when interaction is to be done by the different racial or ethnic entities, there is the common language, which we mistakenly believe is the sole language of that nation.

If one is not perfunctory and does some indepth study, these very countries being mentioned have a variety of sub cultures that are vibrant and kicking.

If all was the same, then we would not have the demand of a separate nation for Scotland, or the distaste for Prussians in Germany, or the ethnic riots & the animus of the industrious Southerner of the Northerners in China and so on.

The Han of China, though imposed Mandarin on all as they conquered each bit of territory to make the political China of today, did not have one type of Mandarin.

In fact, Chinese comprises many regional language varieties that are passed off as the Chinese dialects, The primary ones are Mandarin, Wu, Yue, and Min. These are not mutually intelligible.

Many of the regional varieties (especially Min) are themselves composed of a number of non-mutually-intelligible subvarieties. As a result, many linguists typically refer to these varieties as separate languages.

Until the mid-20th century, most of the Chinese people living in many parts of southern China spoke only their local language. As a practical measure, officials of the Ming and Qing dynasties carried out the administration of the empire using a common language based on Mandarin varieties, known as Guānhuà.

But they share a common written form. Now, what is known as 'simplified Mandarin' has been enforced so that all understand each other.

In India, one cannot impose a single language since there is deep rooted regional identities with all its faced.

Yet, there is a necessity to have a Link Language. English was universal because of the British imperial imposition and Hindi because it was comprehensible to some extent even during the British times even in areas where it was not the natural language as the labour, the lower strata factory force, the railway workers etc were from Hindi speaking areas and since they were the real engines to drive the economy, it was essential to know how to communicate with them for profits.

That is why Hindi and English continue to be Link Languages, though some mistake Hindi to be the 'National Language'.

Lastly, India may speak many languages, have different cultures, traditions, ethnicities. Yet Indians of all hue have one National Identity - Indians - and they are proud to call them so.

 

[mylegend]

Some practice Han culture, some practice some form of it, some simply doesn't. Manchu for instance are no different from Han. However, that dosen't mean they are not Chinese citizen, that just mean they are not of Han culture. Yes, Chinese society are overwhemingly Han dominated, but so does many other country with a single overwhelmingly large ethnic group.

Ray, you really need to give up your racism theory. It is just not healthy.

 

[Ray]

Some practice Han culture, some practice some form of it, some simply doesn't. Manchu for instance are no different from Han. However, that dosen't mean they are not Chinese citizen, that just mean they are not of Han culture. Yes, Chinese society are overwhemingly Han dominated, but so does many other country with a single overwhelmingly large ethnic group.

Ray, you really need to give up your racism theory. It is just not healthy.

The same point can be used to say there is 'Indian culture'.

Go figure.

If debunking those who wish to spread falsehood and half truths is 'racism', then I have no regrets being labelled so.

Do prove what has been stated by me is wrong.

That would be the proof of the pudding.

You can fool those who are are perfunctory or gullible. I am not in that genre!

 

[mylegend]

Ray, as of language, Mandarin is not Han impose. The official language in China has long been the language of the court. Mandarin is more of Manchu dialect version of Chinese that have heavy local influence. Manchu can not rule the country with their own language, majority of them ened up using Mandarin only. Now, almost no one know how to speak Manchu. The Manchu just gave up their own language. If something is imposed, how can the ruler be imposed by its subject?

Ray, the problem of your research is you based your research on a conclusion and find thing the fit with your conclusion. That is convenient, but not academic correct.

 

[Otm Shank]

This is offtopic. You are wrong on "Canadians" fighting back US. It was the British who fought the War of 1812. The war was inconclusive.
War of 1812 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Besides you only got "complete" independence from the British in 1982 by the 1982 Canada Act. We got full sovereignty in 1947 and became a republic in 1950. Elizabth II is still your monarch while we do not have one.
Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Canada Act 1982 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now coming back to the topic, China does not shy away from India`s internal matters. It constantly funds Naxals and other rogue elements like Indian Mujahideen in our country. Along with Pakistan it carries out destabilizing acts here. Also China back stabbed us in 1962. India too should retaliate by supporting Buddhist and Uyghur movements in China. The fact that India does not do such things only shows our greatness.

Nope. This british centric narrative is as funny as the american narrative of them winning ww2 and allies were menial.
most of the people that fought against the american invasion were canadians, aboriginal and European canadians as well as thousands of blacks who became canadian after the yank revolution because we abolished slavery.

Black History Canada - War of 1812

The british in the war in this theater were sizeably canadians who enlisted in british armed services. as you can read in the article

"Historians generally portray the causes of the War of 1812 as originating outside of Canada's borders, but this has not prevented Canadians from viewing the repulsion of the American invasions of 1812-14 as the foundation of modern Canada. Due to its conflict with Napoleon, Britain could only provide a small contingent of troops to defend Canada, and these troops by themselves would surely have failed without the support of the Métis, First Nations and local Canadian militias. The spirited defence of Canada by all these groups contributed to a distinctive Canadian identity, but until very recently, Métis contributions during the War of 1812 have not been well known or recognized."

Métis Nation of Ontario | Culture and Heritage | Métis of Ontario


"More than 10,000 First Nations warriors from the Great Lakes region and the St. Lawrence Valley participated in nearly every major battle. For British military leaders such as Major-General Sir Isaac Brock, commander of Britain's forces, First Nations warriors strengthened local garrisons and were seen as exceptional fighters."

I wont even bother posting about the french canadians but will say they never surrendered fighting as canadians

You seem to be trying to infere nations and peoples are not entitled to their history before the modern incarnations of their nations/national identities. lets try your standards on indian history. since you gained independence in 1947 does that mean indians didnt fight and die in the two world wars or that india had a distinct national identity apart from brits?

Is there proof of chinese support of naxalites. seems like something youd read posted more on forums like this similar to reading about pokistans supporting terror is constantly mentioned.
India hosts the leader of tibets freedom movement, the dali llama as well as has a paramilitary unit of tibetans on the border? Seems as provocative if I were a sino.

 

[Peter]

Nope. This british centric narrative is as funny as the american narrative of them winning ww2 and allies were menial.
most of the people that fought against the american invasion were canadians, aboriginal and European canadians as well as thousands of blacks who became canadian after the yank revolution because we abolished slavery.

Black History Canada - War of 1812

The british in the war in this theater were sizeably canadians who enlisted in british armed services. as you can read in the article

"Historians generally portray the causes of the War of 1812 as originating outside of Canada's borders, but this has not prevented Canadians from viewing the repulsion of the American invasions of 1812-14 as the foundation of modern Canada. Due to its conflict with Napoleon, Britain could only provide a small contingent of troops to defend Canada, and these troops by themselves would surely have failed without the support of the Métis, First Nations and local Canadian militias. The spirited defence of Canada by all these groups contributed to a distinctive Canadian identity, but until very recently, Métis contributions during the War of 1812 have not been well known or recognized."

Métis Nation of Ontario | Culture and Heritage | Métis of Ontario


"More than 10,000 First Nations warriors from the Great Lakes region and the St. Lawrence Valley participated in nearly every major battle. For British military leaders such as Major-General Sir Isaac Brock, commander of Britain's forces, First Nations warriors strengthened local garrisons and were seen as exceptional fighters."

I wont even bother posting about the french canadians but will say they never surrendered fighting as canadians

You seem to be trying to infere nations and peoples are not entitled to their history before the modern incarnations of their nations/national identities. lets try your standards on indian history. since you gained independence in 1947 does that mean indians didnt fight and die in the two world wars or that india had a distinct national identity apart from brits?

Is there proof of chinese support of naxalites. seems like something youd read posted more on forums like this similar to reading about pokistans supporting terror is constantly mentioned.
India hosts the leader of tibets freedom movement, the dali llama as well as has a paramilitary unit of tibetans on the border? Seems as provocative if I were a sino.

The fact is you were not independent when the 1812 war started. Wikipedia lists you as "British Canada". As for the US, it is a superpower while you are not. However let`s not get into that.

Also we consider ourselves distinct from the Brits and Indians who had served in the British Indian Army are not seen in the same light as Netaji Bose,Bhagat Singh etc. The Indians did fight in the two WWs but many Indians consider them as mercenaries.
Anyway check out this thread.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...uk-honours-first-world-war-indian-heroes.html
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ories-indian-soldiers-during-world-war-i.html
(Read the reactions of most DFI posters)

(EDIT: You claim to be a Canadian and you do not know your history very well. Slavery was abolished in Canada only in 1833. This is the 1812 war. So you are making up things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Canada
Slavery in what now comprises Canada existed until 1833, when slavery was officially abolished. Some slaves were of African descent, but most were aboriginal (typically called panis, likely a corruption of Pawnee)

 

[Otm Shank]

The fact is you were not independent when the 1812 war started.
Wikipedia lists you as "British Canada".... what?

theres only two replies... :-/

 

[Peter]

The fact is you were not independent when the 1812 war started.
Wikipedia lists you as "British Canada".... what?

theres only two replies... :-/

I have given a new link. Also explain the slavery issue to me.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ories-indian-soldiers-during-world-war-i.html

 

[Otm Shank]

The fact is you were not independent when the 1812 war started.
Wikipedia lists you as "British Canada". As for the US, it is a superpower while you are not. However let`s not get into that.

explain this first please

 

[Peter]

The fact is you were not independent when the 1812 war started.
Wikipedia lists you as "British Canada". As for the US, it is a superpower while you are not. However let`s not get into that.

explain this first please

There is nothing to explain here. I am talking of about British Canada. You were not independent but ratehr a colonial nation/administrative unit under the British. You got independence/dominion status in 1867.

Also you were talking of you beating US. The fact is British controlled/administered Canada fought the US and the war ended in a stalemate. Currently, the US is the sole superpower while you are not a superpower.
(Now for your part on slavery)

 

[Otm Shank]

There is nothing to explain here. I am talking of about British Canada. You were not independent but ratehr a colonial nation/administrative unit under the British. You got independence/dominion status in 1867.

Also you were talking of you beating US. The fact is British controlled/administered Canada fought the US and the war ended in a stalemate. Currently, the US is the sole superpower while you are not a superpower.
(Now for your part on slavery)

okay so canada didnt exist til 1982

abolished is the wrong word. minimized slavery is a better way to put it. Either way thousands of of black men fled to canada to escape slavery and enlisted in the canadian forces and british service to actively fight against slave endorsing america..

Anyways any links to prove your earlier claim chinese support naxalites. You said indians dont support rouge movements in china but india hosts the head of tibets seperatist movement the dali llama as well india raised a paramilitary group of tibetans. Would you care to explain thats even more brazen provocation than covert support of naxalites if china even does support them?

 

[Peter]

okay so canada didnt exist til 1982

abolished is the wrong word. minimized slavery is a better way to put it. Either way thousands of of black men fled to canada to escape slavery and enlisted in the canadian forces and british service to actively fight against slave endorsing america..

Anyways any links to prove your earlier claim chinese support naxalites. You said indians dont support rouge movements in china but india hosts the head of tibets seperatist movement the dali llama as well india raised a paramilitary group of tibetans. Would you care to explain thats even more brazen provocation than covert support of naxalites if china even does support them?

This is off topic.
Well the existence of a nation or its exact date of origin is a controversial topic. As for the black saves, well both the British and US were equally exploitative. Most of the slaves were in the cotton plantations of south US. So they could not have possibly gone north to Canada. Also there were a lot of Black revolutionaries during the American Revolution. In fact the first victim of the American Revolution was a black man. The reasons of 1812 war are complicated. However both nations today are developed countries that are friendly toward each other and believe in equality of man. I think India can learn a lot from both US and Canada in terms of management,administration,public healthcare,transportation etc.

Coming back to the main topic, for the links to the Chinese supported naxals. Here is a link but of course it depends on you to believe it.

Cops nail China link with Naxals - The Times of India

Maoists building weapons factories in India with help from China : North, News - India Today

Save for this there are thousands of other stories that clearly indicate Chinese and Pakistani connections. Even @Ray sir,being an army man, can confirm the fact that China and Pakistan supports Naxals. India does not have any such cells operating in Tibet or in Xinjinag. India can atleast maintain one in Tibet but it does not.(It maybe lack of operational reach of RAW or that India is a good neighbor)

 

[Peter]

If the release of Biju Janata Dal legislator Jhina Hikaka, taken hostage by Maoists in Odisha more than a month ago, comes as a relief, then the Centre and governments in the Naxal-affected states should brace for much more. For, abduction and blackmailing top the extremists' strategy in their war against the state, a secret intelligence report accessed by Headlines Today has revealed.

Even as Hikaka was freed after several rounds of negotiations and 33 days of his captivity, the fate of the abducted collector of Sukma district in the neighbouring Chhattisgarh -- Alex Paul Menon -- continues to be unclear. The faces of these two men have been beamed across the country and the negotiations to keep them alive continue to make headlines.

However, the relief after Hikaka's release is shadowed by a frightening reality. An interrogation report of a dreaded extremist suggests that the country should probably get used to the abductions of VIPs by the Naxals.

A secret Intelligence Bureau (IB) report suggests that the Maoists' expansion plan has been as meticulous and carefully organised. While they have been strengthening their cadres by enlisting educated rebels to lead the cause, they are also inducting technically proficient men and women, capable of setting up weapons factories and advanced offensive hardware.

Apart from the regular weapons Maoists are normally associated with, they now have facilities to manufacture parts for even complex systems like grenade and rocket launchers. The IB report also establishes that the Maoists are aided in their efforts to build modern weapons by the Chinese intelligence.

Shockingly, revelations of the supremely concealed Maoist war factories were spelt out in great detail by captured Maoist mastermind Sadnala Ramakrishna, who was apprehended recently in Andhra Pradesh. The rebel leader has provided agencies a disturbing picture of the weapon manufacturing and maintenance industry the Maoists have built up in the forests.

The Maoists have seven such arms factories, which they call Technical Research Arms Manufacturing Unit (TRAM). These units are manned by 15 scientists who oversee production and supply of weapons and systems to the Maoist cadres. From rocket launchers to grenade launchers and from assault rifles to mortars, the Maoists have ramped up their self-reliance making it less necessary to seek weapons from outside.

So meticulous and entrenched is their business that the Naxals even have bank accounts, fronted by aliases and used with impunity to pay hardware companies in Mumbai and Kolkata for essential nuts and bolts that cannot be made in the jungles.

A deadly mix of engineering talent, a frugal outlook to resources and the desperate need for firearms have resulted in an industry taking birth in the forests of central India. The secret report accessed by Headlines Today also indicates the spreading of the movement to the North East region, where assistance from China has only helped in the terror linkages.

'Chinese intelligence funding Maoists'
The IB report accessed by Headlines Today establishes that Chinese intelligence units have been training, arming and funding the Maoists to help them wage a violent and seemingly inexorable war against India.

The report reveals that China has been organising the Maoists and militant groups from Jammu and Kashmir and the North East region into a single war-fighting machine to hit Indian states. This secret report was recently sent to Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram and the senior members of the security establishment.

The report also makes specific warnings pointing to how Chinese intelligence agency has been pushing Manipur-based militant outfit -- People Liberation Army (PLA) -- which it funds into a cooperative arrangement with Maoists and Kashmiri terror groups.

Disturbingly, the report is replete with specific observations and specific pieces of intelligence on China's dirty game. It reveals how Maoists have been training in Nagaland, funded by the Chinese. It shows how certain Maoist units are now being given encrypted wireless communication devices.

The warning cannot be clearer or more specific. With India rocked on three fronts by militancy, the potential coming together of the Naxals could be India's biggest challenge so far.


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...ng-and-funding-maoists-in-india/1/186191.html

 

[Otm Shank]

Wow. Thanks for the link.

 

[CCP]

If the release of Biju Janata Dal legislator Jhina Hikaka, taken hostage by Maoists in Odisha more than a month ago, comes as a relief, then the Centre and governments in the Naxal-affected states should brace for much more. For, abduction and blackmailing top the extremists' strategy in their war against the state, a secret intelligence report accessed by Headlines Today has revealed.

Even as Hikaka was freed after several rounds of negotiations and 33 days of his captivity, the fate of the abducted collector of Sukma district in the neighbouring Chhattisgarh -- Alex Paul Menon -- continues to be unclear. The faces of these two men have been beamed across the country and the negotiations to keep them alive continue to make headlines.

However, the relief after Hikaka's release is shadowed by a frightening reality. An interrogation report of a dreaded extremist suggests that the country should probably get used to the abductions of VIPs by the Naxals.

A secret Intelligence Bureau (IB) report suggests that the Maoists' expansion plan has been as meticulous and carefully organised. While they have been strengthening their cadres by enlisting educated rebels to lead the cause, they are also inducting technically proficient men and women, capable of setting up weapons factories and advanced offensive hardware.

Apart from the regular weapons Maoists are normally associated with, they now have facilities to manufacture parts for even complex systems like grenade and rocket launchers. The IB report also establishes that the Maoists are aided in their efforts to build modern weapons by the Chinese intelligence.

Shockingly, revelations of the supremely concealed Maoist war factories were spelt out in great detail by captured Maoist mastermind Sadnala Ramakrishna, who was apprehended recently in Andhra Pradesh. The rebel leader has provided agencies a disturbing picture of the weapon manufacturing and maintenance industry the Maoists have built up in the forests.

The Maoists have seven such arms factories, which they call Technical Research Arms Manufacturing Unit (TRAM). These units are manned by 15 scientists who oversee production and supply of weapons and systems to the Maoist cadres. From rocket launchers to grenade launchers and from assault rifles to mortars, the Maoists have ramped up their self-reliance making it less necessary to seek weapons from outside.

So meticulous and entrenched is their business that the Naxals even have bank accounts, fronted by aliases and used with impunity to pay hardware companies in Mumbai and Kolkata for essential nuts and bolts that cannot be made in the jungles.

A deadly mix of engineering talent, a frugal outlook to resources and the desperate need for firearms have resulted in an industry taking birth in the forests of central India. The secret report accessed by Headlines Today also indicates the spreading of the movement to the North East region, where assistance from China has only helped in the terror linkages.

'Chinese intelligence funding Maoists'
The IB report accessed by Headlines Today establishes that Chinese intelligence units have been training, arming and funding the Maoists to help them wage a violent and seemingly inexorable war against India.

The report reveals that China has been organising the Maoists and militant groups from Jammu and Kashmir and the North East region into a single war-fighting machine to hit Indian states. This secret report was recently sent to Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram and the senior members of the security establishment.

The report also makes specific warnings pointing to how Chinese intelligence agency has been pushing Manipur-based militant outfit -- People Liberation Army (PLA) -- which it funds into a cooperative arrangement with Maoists and Kashmiri terror groups.

Disturbingly, the report is replete with specific observations and specific pieces of intelligence on China's dirty game. It reveals how Maoists have been training in Nagaland, funded by the Chinese. It shows how certain Maoist units are now being given encrypted wireless communication devices.

The warning cannot be clearer or more specific. With India rocked on three fronts by militancy, the potential coming together of the Naxals could be India's biggest challenge so far.


Read more at: Maoists building weapons factories in India with help from China : North, News - India Today

That is BS.


@Otm Shank
Minister of state for home affairs M Ramachandran replied with a "no" when asked whether the government has received information regarding assistance provided by China to separatist groups involved in large-scale violence that took place in the northeastern states in recent years.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Northeast-insurgents-getting-arms-from-China-Govt/articleshow/18940936.cms

read more at the thread :http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/foreign-relations/59705-thai-chinese-arms-gunrunner-extradited-india-3.html

 

[perplexed]

you can't kill the poison in the mind with a bullet ! You can only incentivise the mind by making it busy with economically constructive things !

 

[Otm Shank]

p

In India, one cannot impose a single language since there is deep rooted regional identities with all its faced.

Yet, there is a necessity to have a Link Language. English was universal because of the British imperial imposition and Hindi because it was comprehensible to some extent even during the British times even in areas where it was not the natural language as the labour, the lower strata factory force, the railway workers etc were from Hindi speaking areas and since they were the real engines to drive the economy, it was essential to know how to communicate with them for profits.

That is why Hindi and English continue to be Link Languages, though some mistake Hindi to be the 'National Language'.

Lastly, India may speak many languages, have different cultures, traditions, ethnicities. Yet Indians of all hue have one National Identity - Indians - and they are proud to call them so.

Thanks for the enlightenment Ray

A few questions for Ray and everyone

how many different scripts are there in india? devangari alphabet or whatever its called is it universal?


I've read different regionial languages can loosely communicate like gujiratis and punjabis sort of like french spanish and italians can get the gist of what theyre saying to each other or understand each other's media. Is that true for all or many indian languages ?

 

[Ray]

Thanks for the enlightenment Ray

A few questions for Ray and everyone

how many different scripts are there in india? devangari alphabet or whatever its called is it universal?


I've read different regionial languages can loosely communicate like gujiratis and punjabis sort of like french spanish and italians can get the gist of what theyre saying to each other or understand each other's media. Is that true for all or many indian languages ?

 

[Ray]

Terrorism unleashed in Xinjiang
Uprising has the hallmarks of a long, ugly counterinsurgency war

It's not really "China's Chechnya" yet, but the insurgency in Xinjiang is growing fast. Incidents of anti-Chinese violence are getting bigger and much more frequent. Since March, 176 people have been killed in six separate attacks on Chinese police and government officials, local collaborators and ordinary Chinese residents of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in northwestern China, and the authorities don't seem to have a clue what to do about it.

The Uyghur attackers have mostly used knives or explosives in their attacks (guns are hard to get in China), but nobody has suggested they are so technologically backward that their bombs come with long, trailing fuses that have to be lit by hand. Yet Chinese police in Xinjiang last month seized tens of thousands of boxes of matches.

"The confiscation has enabled us to strengthen controls over important elements of public security and thus eliminate potential security threats," said the Kashgar police. The police website in Changji, in northern Xinjiang, declared they had acted "to ensure matches would not be used by terrorist groups and extremist individuals to conduct criminal activities." No disrespect intended (well, maybe a little), but these are not serious people.

The rebels, on the other hand, are very serious people. Like most independence movements of the colonial era, they believe you have to take the war to the homeland of the "oppressor" if you can. One of those recent attacks was not in Xinjiang but in Kunming in southwestern China, where a band of eight knife-wielding Uyghurs killed 29 ordinary Chinese citizens and wounded 143 in the main railway station.

Another standard tactic in this sort of war is the use of violence to deter one's own people from collaborating with the colonial power. On July 30, Jume Tahir, the imam of China's largest mosque, in the city of Kashgar in Xinjiang, was stabbed to death after leading early morning prayers. His crime? Praising Communist Party policies and blaming the rising tide of violence on Uyghur separatists and extremists.

The Uyghurs are overwhelmingly Sunni Muslims, and the official Chinese line blames the separatist violence on foreign Islamists who are stirring up the local people. The separatists themselves say that it is a legitimate response to Chinese oppression, and in particular to the Chinese government's policy of flooding Xinjiang with Han Chinese immigrants in an attempt to change the territory's demographic balance. The truth, as usual, is more complicated.


Dyer: Terrorism unleashed in Xinjiang

 

[s002wjh]

Terrorism unleashed in Xinjiang
Uprising has the hallmarks of a long, ugly counterinsurgency war

It's not really "China's Chechnya" yet, but the insurgency in Xinjiang is growing fast. Incidents of anti-Chinese violence are getting bigger and much more frequent. Since March, 176 people have been killed in six separate attacks on Chinese police and government officials, local collaborators and ordinary Chinese residents of Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in northwestern China, and the authorities don't seem to have a clue what to do about it.

The Uyghur attackers have mostly used knives or explosives in their attacks (guns are hard to get in China), but nobody has suggested they are so technologically backward that their bombs come with long, trailing fuses that have to be lit by hand. Yet Chinese police in Xinjiang last month seized tens of thousands of boxes of matches.

"The confiscation has enabled us to strengthen controls over important elements of public security and thus eliminate potential security threats," said the Kashgar police. The police website in Changji, in northern Xinjiang, declared they had acted "to ensure matches would not be used by terrorist groups and extremist individuals to conduct criminal activities." No disrespect intended (well, maybe a little), but these are not serious people.

The rebels, on the other hand, are very serious people. Like most independence movements of the colonial era, they believe you have to take the war to the homeland of the "oppressor" if you can. One of those recent attacks was not in Xinjiang but in Kunming in southwestern China, where a band of eight knife-wielding Uyghurs killed 29 ordinary Chinese citizens and wounded 143 in the main railway station.

Another standard tactic in this sort of war is the use of violence to deter one's own people from collaborating with the colonial power. On July 30, Jume Tahir, the imam of China's largest mosque, in the city of Kashgar in Xinjiang, was stabbed to death after leading early morning prayers. His crime? Praising Communist Party policies and blaming the rising tide of violence on Uyghur separatists and extremists.

The Uyghurs are overwhelmingly Sunni Muslims, and the official Chinese line blames the separatist violence on foreign Islamists who are stirring up the local people. The separatists themselves say that it is a legitimate response to Chinese oppression, and in particular to the Chinese government's policy of flooding Xinjiang with Han Chinese immigrants in an attempt to change the territory's demographic balance. The truth, as usual, is more complicated.


Dyer: Terrorism unleashed in Xinjiang

xinjian is not gonna be another chech, there are more han chinese then ethnic in the region now. +guns,explosive ingredient are tightly controlled, and no one want to help a terrorist. you cant win a war when you are outgun/outnumbered and dont have any credible ally to support you. beside there are alot xinjiang ethnic loyal to CCP, doesnt matter what others says, china did bring alot economy to the region, period.
look israel/hamas, whos winning, whos losing. hama even has superior weapon than xinjiang separatist.